Current Known Issues (Aug. 30)

[LD]

Nope, you are right, but many other people were able to make decent comments about it being too much (hell, I did) without making asinine and ignorant comments about other jobs just because they were bitter.

....Yeeaaa..........

Evasion means shit, Subtle Blow is pointless in most situations, the situations it does have a use are few, Penance is only really noticable if you already have Subtle Blow, and Counterstance is a game of Russian Roulette were you try to pull out as many bullets as possible, and it is STILL impractical in most situations.

[Ryko]

DRG has downtime unless they have wyrm armet and ethereal earring, or are fighting bones/pots with at least spirit taker.

I don't know of an end-game DRG who hasn't gotten a rotted armet and eth earrings aren't exactly uber rare.

[evilpaul]

- In the damage calculation when the both hands arms are equipped,
the upper bound correction of the damage value doesn't hang correctly.

The heck?

Babelfish would make most POL update messages clearer, wouldn't it?

[ringthree]

Let's have another thread about how Dragoons were previously not invited to parties because no one understood the awesome power of Fluffy their pet dragon.

That-Is-Be-Cause-Their-Da-Mage-Was-Too-Low. If that were made equal, what does a MNK really have? The past is irrelevant, only the present means anything.

The monk has ... equal ... damage. It's almost as though equal == balance, who could have thought that DD classes would be balanced by their damage, and not by their toy pets or their Chakras.

Yes, because inherent acc bonuses and hate shedding abilities....ya know, let aurik do this. I never had the patience for this.

Yes, let it go, you don't want to end up looking as uninformed about other jobs as he did yesterday.

There is a quote... can't quite remember... something about being doomed and repetition... something about time... ah well, whatever.

The point that Aurik missed over and over was that the disparity was far too much in the past, and his suggestion to fixing it was not to make the jobs closer but to make Fluffy a better healer, which doesn't do jack to improve DRG's role in an XP party. Now if you made Fluffy hit like a tank... LOL but that would make Aurik just as upset.

Time's cyclical. Right. Ok. W/E. That still doesn't mean DRG not getting PTs is somehow relevant, because that would suggest you deserve to be superior just because you were shat on for 3 years, not because you actually NEED it. Not how it works.

I don't know, being less of an MP sink or being able to heal others with little to no MP, putting all such hate on a creature that is not the main healer, does it's own damage, and can be recalled relatively quickly, all while maintaining battle flow (even without it), might actually be something of a boon. But what do I know? I'm the strongest Melee in the game, so I can't have an educated opinion on lesser jobs.

LOL /sigh, not this again. The fact that you think that DRG/WHM is somehow even comparable to a MNK shows that you do not have an educated opinion. And you arrogance is nothing more short of laughable. But I forget, MNK has the god-given right to merit, and only if one is not available shall all the other jobs be allowed to merit.

Guess what, people have more than one job at 75. It's not 2004, single job attachment and the hubris that goes with it is so Chains of Promathia. I have jobs that were greatly benefited from the update and jobs that were relatively hurt by the update. I agreed there was a problem before the update and I agreed there was a problem after the update, but that was because of game balanced, not because of my fragile far-too-attached-to-one-job ego.

[suji]

- In the damage calculation when the both hands arms are equipped,
the upper bound correction of the damage value doesn't hang correctly.

The heck?

It's quoted through Excite JP's translator, the best web translator I could ever find that does complete sentences :/

I asked my gf (jp) to clarify it but it doesn't really say more than that. Basically, they aren't calculating the maximum 2H damage correctly.

[Arnwulf]

tbh I don't see why you guys are arguing about who can solo better between x job and y job. The point of the whole update was to make 2h weapon users more attractive in HNM and XP situations. Before this update, lolDRG and lolDRK had to seek party for days for just one invite and even then it's usually a really crappy party. Soloing isn't the issue, any job can solo given the right gear/mobs/situation, the problem is being able to get the merit / xp points that we all need a TON of, where soloing just doesn't cut it in the way a regular pt does.

[Ithorien]

- In the damage calculation when the both hands arms are equipped,
the upper bound correction of the damage value doesn't hang correctly.

The heck?

It's quoted through Excite JP's translator, the best web translator I could ever find that does complete sentences :/

I asked my gf (jp) to clarify it but it doesn't really say more than that. Basically, they aren't calculating the maximum 2H damage correctly.

To me in all honesty it just sounds like they're fixing pDIF, and nothing else.

[kuronosan]

I'm guessing that means they're raising the cap so that your average hit goes down.

[Akanei]

To me in all honesty it just sounds like they're fixing pDIF, and nothing else.

Ding ding ding. They'll probably lower the pDIF cap so /thf isn't completely useless on HNMs and crits are a bit more. . worthwhile.

[LD]

LOL /sigh, not this again. The fact that you think that DRG/WHM is somehow even comparable to a MNK shows that you do not have an educated opinion. And you arrogance is nothing more short of laughable. But I forget, MNK has the god-given right to merit, and only if one is not available shall all the other jobs be allowed to merit.

Guess what, people have more than one job at 75. It's not 2004, single job attachment and the hubris that goes with it is so Chains of Promathia. I have jobs that were greatly benefited from the update and jobs that were relatively hurt by the update. I agreed there was a problem before the update and I agreed there was a problem after the update, but that was because of game balanced, not because of my fragile far-too-attached-to-one-job ego.

I didn't say that. What I was doing was use aurik's model of actually improving how your job works to allow you to utilize such a thing in a normal situation.
Like this:

Just to wrap the DRG thing up as I see it.

Jump & High Jump recast cut in half.
Healing Breath auto-Activation on Melee sub Wyvern at 25% HP.

There, you made you more powerful and gave you a unique support ability.
Mazel Tov.

Aurik was right, if you were able to use what made you unique, you'd be used.

The rest of that seems like old DRG complaints, so I'll be nice and pretend you didn't say it.

[Elmer the Pointy]

According to the JP PlayOnline, they are specifically altering the upper limit on damage dealt. Sounds like regular strikes will get a lower cap and crits will have a purpose again.

??Posted that on page 2, but now everyone's confused

Directly from POL, although I'm sure some of you guys did this yourselves.

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• When calculating damage for players equipped with 2-handed weapons, the damage rating's upper limit isn't being corrected properly.[/*:m:6996c]
• When not engaged in battle, a Beastmaster's pet's TP gradually decreases.[/*:m:6996c]
• Automaton's stats are lower than they were originally.[/*:m:6996c]
• When combining certain frames with certain heads, the Automaton will constantly cast magic.[/*:m:6996c]

[ringthree]

Just to wrap the DRG thing up as I see it.

Jump & High Jump recast cut in half.
Healing Breath auto-Activation on Melee sub Wyvern at 25% HP.

There, you made you more powerful and gave you a unique support ability.
Mazel Tov.

And DRG's would still gain zero invites compared to a MNK. Oh thanks for the super-awesome improvements.

Just stop, you are going to embarrass yourself like Aurik did.

[lotmorning]

lowering the cap is kind of good its sad to see playerx hits mob for 160 damage 3x's then playerx hits same mob for crit mob takes 160 damage. its like whats the point if normal hits are at the damage cap

[Ithorien]

To me in all honesty it just sounds like they're fixing pDIF, and nothing else.

Ding ding ding.

Gutter tell him what he's wooonnnnnnnn

[LD]

Just to wrap the DRG thing up as I see it.

Jump & High Jump recast cut in half.
Healing Breath auto-Activation on Melee sub Wyvern at 25% HP.

There, you made you more powerful and gave you a unique support ability.
Mazel Tov.

And DRG's would still gain zero invites compared to a MNK. Oh thanks for the super-awesome improvements.

Just stop, you are going to embarrass yourself like Aurik did.

Really? So you wouldn't want those improvements then.

[NynJa]

Subtle Blow is pointless in most situations

lol?

[evilpaul]

To me in all honesty it just sounds like they're fixing pDIF, and nothing else.

Ding ding ding. They'll probably lower the pDIF cap so /thf isn't completely useless on HNMs and crits are a bit more. . worthwhile.

SAM75/THF15 were Sneak Attacking Fafnir for the past few days?

I'm hoping they'll make it so 1h weapons aren't capped in EXP/merits, if 2h weapons do awesome damage on regular and crit hits I don't really care.

[Ryko]

To me in all honesty it just sounds like they're fixing pDIF, and nothing else.

Ding ding ding. They'll probably lower the pDIF cap so /thf isn't completely useless on HNMs and crits are a bit more. . worthwhile.

SAM75/THF15 were Sneak Attacking Fafnir for the past few days?

"There are more HNMs than fafnir", nevermind the fact that you didnt need SA to hit 3.0 anyway.

[LD]

Subtle Blow is pointless in most situations

lol?

Chariots are not most situations. Show me a PT or HNM that really benefits from it/utilizes it and I might have to reconsider.

I really don't understand why DRG's wouldn't want me to effectively double their damage and hate shedding abilities...

[layoneil]

I didn't say that. What I was doing was use aurik's model of actually improving how your job works to allow you to utilize such a thing in a normal situation.
Aurik was right, if you were able to use what made you unique, you'd be used.

and that's why Aurik's model fails, because we've had two years of practical experience telling us that it is not and will not be utilized that way.

Really? So you wouldn't want those improvements then.

at the expense of completely repealing this 2 handed patch, no f'n way.