Let's talk about Ranger

[happydude]

meh lets wait and see what velocity shot's buff lasts if its like 1minute every 5 minutes that blows if its like berserk with 3 min duration and 5min recast i can say yay to it.

if its like merit ability where 1 min duration with 15min recast i said we got boned again

[levish]

its not a level 75 ability so nearly 100% not merited ability

[Naramaska]

I really hope it's a worthwhile amount of haste

Considering Hasso gave SAM's +10 STR/+10 ACC/+10% Haste, i'm guessing it'll be in line with that.

[Sasarai]

I really have high hopes for it, at the very least it should add well to some Snapshot merits.

[Mayareira]

meh lets wait and see what velocity shot's buff lasts if its like 1minute every 5 minutes that blows if its like berserk with 3 min duration and 5min recast i can say yay to it.

if its like merit ability where 1 min duration with 15min recast i said we got boned again

It'll probably be like Berserk or Hasso/Seigan(this would be awesome) depending on the effects.

[terraflarex]

Most you can hope for is that you can keep it up at all times (I.E. - Defender), but even if it's similar to berserk it'll still be great.

[VZX]

I really hope it's a worthwhile amount of haste

Considering Hasso gave SAM's +10 STR/+10 ACC/+10% Haste, i'm guessing it'll be in line with that.

I demand more than that.
SAM can get extra haste from outside source.

[Sekkite]

I really hope it's a worthwhile amount of haste

Considering Hasso gave SAM's +10 STR/+10 ACC/+10% Haste, i'm guessing it'll be in line with that.

I demand more than that.
SAM can get extra haste from outside source.

Rangers have innate perma-haste for ranged weapons that can't be slowed.

[Naramaska]

I really hope it's a worthwhile amount of haste

Considering Hasso gave SAM's +10 STR/+10 ACC/+10% Haste, i'm guessing it'll be in line with that.

I demand more than that.
SAM can get extra haste from outside source.

Oh, agreed, but I think that 10% is a "safe" baseline assumption for how much it'll give. Planning to bust out the per-frame analysis post-patch? :D

[VZX]

I really hope it's a worthwhile amount of haste

Considering Hasso gave SAM's +10 STR/+10 ACC/+10% Haste, i'm guessing it'll be in line with that.

I demand more than that.
SAM can get extra haste from outside source.

Rangers have innate perma-haste for ranged weapons that can't be slowed.

and compound ranged weapons have extra 3 seconds overhead (innate delay+180). You can't fire 2 shots faster than 3 seconds
Oh, I'll gladly take Ranged weapon can be slowed if it allow me to get full benefit from haste

Oh, agreed, but I think that 10% is a "safe" baseline assumption for how much it'll give. Planning to bust out the per-frame analysis post-patch? :D

Better be scalable by stat if the number is low.... AGI.. or lolDEX even.

[Weavus]

Make Shadowbind hold the enemy longer and even if it's getting hit.

Make EES 100% accurate except against shadows/blink. Do not increase it's damage.

Decrease significantly the amount of hate ranged attacks generate. (I feel is RNGs biggest flaw(shoot, shoot, shoot, TRAVELING MOB, realign distance, repeat)

I like the idea to make it impossible to fire ranged attacks within melee range, but it's a maybe for me.

[Darcatvar]

I like the idea to make it impossible to fire ranged attacks within melee range, but it's a maybe for me.

I think that is a horrible idea, talk about gimping a rng with hate or soloing

[Weavus]

I like the idea to make it impossible to fire ranged attacks within melee range, but it's a maybe for me.

I think that is a horrible idea, talk about gimping a rng with hate or soloing

Like I said, it was a maybe. You make a good point though.

[zerohero]

I like the idea to make it impossible to fire ranged attacks within melee range, but it's a maybe for me.

I think that is a horrible idea, talk about gimping a rng with hate or soloing

yeah i think my biggest complaint from the original nerf was how much harder they made it to solo for rng. and somehow they did lower our acc, we are forced to eat dd food to keep up with melee who can use sushi.

[terraflarex]

Well you COULD attack in full RNG af2 and a novia for the minus enmity =P.

On a serious note, you can't really just drop the enmity on ranged attacks drastically... I mean that would let ranger do retarded damage without ever pulling hate; whereas, other melee would still be getting a lot of enmity from their attacks, it's just not very balanced. I am a little concerned about how much more enmity we will generate with haste on ranged attacks now though, it's really a tough call with that... need full time gnostic drinks soon!

[Sasarai]

Its like defender. 5 mins recast, duration 5 mins.

[Mayareira]

It seems like 20% bonus on ranged attacks and 20% penalty on regular attacks.

[VZX]

niceeeeee

By just eyeballing, how much delay reduction for aiming delay?

[senseless]

terra, have you tried out using a -enmity build for rng? im curious about it myself, cuz i know already that we can do pretty decent dmg, but a WS and a barrage later etc we take hate. Is -enmity semi viable option and still keep dmg good?

[Aladriel]

Well you COULD attack in full RNG af2 and a novia for the minus enmity =P.

On a serious note, you can't really just drop the enmity on ranged attacks drastically... I mean that would let ranger do retarded damage without ever pulling hate; whereas, other melee would still be getting a lot of enmity from their attacks, it's just not very balanced. I am a little concerned about how much more enmity we will generate with haste on ranged attacks now though, it's really a tough call with that... need full time gnostic drinks soon!

I know this isnt a very feasible option for most people, but I was pretty amazed at just how well Coronach's enmity reduction worked from my tests in dynamis. Its not a complete 0 to enmity as some think but you are able to Barrage/Coronach and lose hate to a PLD's flash.

I have tried the novia/partial af2 route as well and found it to be decently effective for RNG/WAR merit purposes aside from Slug which is mainly used to finish the mob off anways.