car problems =/

[Shuemue]

Seriously, you've gotta be a real fucking moron to drop $7k on anything with moving parts that has no warranty.

[Charla]

First of all, it's not as if they knew and/or thought it was going to break. Second, there's a big difference between "should have to pay for" and "has a chance in hell of not having to pay for". Therefore, the poll is asking something very different from the discussion.

[Cletis]

im kinda wondering what the people that said 'no' say. ihavent voted yet =/



ibelieve he should pay for it. he is wrong for buying it w/out a warranty. but i wouldnt call him a stupid kid <_<

[Charla]

(I voted no) "He shouldn't have to pay for it" means: If life was fair, he wouldn't have to pay for it. However, he will have to pay for it. The people voting yes are just being more realistic, while I was being more literal.

[gandorf]

Didn't you just say you don't think he should have to pay them for a new engine and now your saying he should?

[Cletis]

ok. ineed to word what im saying better @_@


he shouldnt have to pay for it because thats bullshit to buy a car and 5 days later it break down on you. i dont think their 131 point inspection really is all that great. i believe they sold him a shotty engine.


i KNOW hes going to pay for it because of the 'as-is no warranty' . paperwork is paperwork.

but thats not to say that we cant go in there and argue about the mechanics of it. hes doing research right now on the lemon laws in ohio. so far all he said is because he signed the 'as-is' it basicly disqualifies him for any laws to protect him

[Exoduso]

The car had 96,000 miles on it. Why is it a suprise? Even if it's in perfect working order, rods can sling, especially when it's around 100k or more miles. Hell at the mechanic shop I worked at my boss had one sling while the car was in idle and he was checking something under the hood (it almost hit him in the foot). Saying he was racing it really doesn't mean anything to be honest, it can sling at any time.

Honestly I think both you and your friend are stupid for thinking he deserves anything out of it. It is really no ones fault it broke. Those kind of things just happen. Even if it's in PERFECT working order, older parts can cause rods to sling.

And honestly, if you really do go down there and video protest, it will make you look like more of an ass than him because you and your friends sound like silly little kids who don't know a thing about buying a vehicle.

Oh and life isn't fair... welcome to being an adult.

[megabyte]

Such is life...

[Denchi]

Yeah don't buy domestic.

[Daydreamer]

Honestly I think both you and your friend are stupid for thinking he deserves anything out of it. It is really no ones fault it broke. Those kind of things just happen. Even if it's in PERFECT working order, older parts can cause rods to sling.

And honestly, if you really do go down there and video protest, it will make you look like more of an ass than him because you and your friends sound like silly little kids who don't know a thing about buying a vehicle.

i bought a nissan and then paid for the 3yr warranty. fuck you i know how to buy a car.

i was not around when he bought his car. im looking after my friend. it his fault for not buying a warranty. but you dont go buy a car and expect it to break down 5 days later do you? i would have convinced him to buy the warranty . but i was not there.

Congrats, you know how to buy a car, but you pretty much just said your friend doesn't. So again, I don't see why you would go protesting this...

And if you read what I said aobut slinging a rod, it happens. I don't care how good you think your car is, it is just one of those things that is nearly impossible to see coming....it was just bad luck.

[Furionstormrage]

Dont ever buy a used car without having some other (preferably one you trust) mechanic check it out.
Most of the time they only charge $30-50 and it can avoid problems like that.

But, throwing a rod throught the side of the blocks means either.

A: The engine was obviously about to fall apart (Oil pimp completely shot, few other things could cause it)

B: Your buddy cranked it wide open and left it there till the rod went through. (Racing, driving like a jerk, etc)

Not saying your friend is lying, but I rebuilt engines for years, and most of the time A was what I was told, and B was the actual truth. (Pretty easy to see once the motor is torn down)

Your friend could pay a machine shop to tear the motor down and give their evaluation of what caused the rod to go, and if it was an existing problem he could have a leg to stand on with the dealership.

[Norelco]

Don't most states have something called a "lemon law" that protects a consumer against this kind of shit? I think this cover's used cars (edit: or maybe not).

Check out this website and click on your state for specific information: http://www.lemonlawamerica.com/

This is the New York State used car lemon law:

WHICH USED CARS ARE COVERED BY THE LEMON LAW?

Under the law, a used car is one which satisfies all the following five conditions:

(1) It was purchased, leased or transferred after the earlier of (a) 18,000 miles of operation or (b) two years from the date of original delivery; and

(2) It was purchased or leased from a New York dealer; and

(3) It had a purchase price or lease value of at least $1,500; and

(4) It had been driven 100,000 miles or less at the time of purchase or lease; and

(5) It is primarily used for personal purposes.


...........


Cletis, this link is a faq for Ohio. http://www.ohiolemonlaw.com/used-car-lemon-law.html

Doesn't sound like your friend has a leg to stand on considering the high amount of mileage on the car.

This is interesting: "Even if you didn’t get a “warranty” but you did get a “service contract” (what some automobile dealers call an “extended warranty”) from the dealer when you got the used car, then you may still have the same rights! This federal law applies when you get a “service contract” from the selling dealer at any time up to 90 days after you acquired the vehicle. There is no mileage limit and it doesn’t matter how old the automobile is when you buy it. The only question is, did you get a warranty or a service contract from the dealer? If you did, then you may have more legal rights than you think — and a lot more legal rights than the dealer wants to hear about!"

I doubt they'd want to sell him a service contract now that he has brought the car back. Too bad he didn't see this tidbit first. He could have nailed them to the wall.

edit: If the car came with this sticker on it: http://www.ohiolemonlaw.com/pdf/Used-Ca ... r-Form.pdf and it was marked "AS IS" I think he may be fux0red. Sorry.

[Koyuki]

That's what happens when you buy a used car. He signed as-is. That being said I work in a garage and getting a used engine shouldn't cost 2.4k unless that included labor to put it in, and even then that seems a bit high. Price around at private businesses and see how much they quote you, chances are for a job like that they'll be cheaper (Unless you need to get a new PCM and it needs to be flashed, that car is semi-newish so it might). If you want me to I could price you some out tomorrow at work (I'm in PA) but dunno how well the prices would do for you in Ohio >.>

lol. whats funny is that i bought my car at the same place. but i got a 3yr warranty. imean i do see that the dealership has to make money. but they fucking over 1 guy for about $2k . we have alot of younger friends who just getting their first cars and word of mouth travels around fast. imean we'll just give it to like 3 girls on myspace with 2,000 friends each and we'll make a video and shit and they wont get business @_@ . but if they were nice to us and shit we wouldnt protest. tomorrow we bringing a camera w/us

You're a fucking genius...truly...you are



I'm serious


















fo real












I'm not kidding










Why are you such a dumbass?

[Ivaden]

Rofl @ no warranty. What an idiot.

And yes, he deserves to be called an idiot for buying a car with that many miles with no warranty.

[Kazen]

I bought a car that wasnt running right for less than it would normally cost ($1800 1993 Talon Tsi) when I was 15 (I'm 20 almost 21 now), but.. I sorta knew what was wrong with it when I listened to the problem it had. After a $42 hose the car ran fine and has never broke down once, 115k miles on it atm. It's usually best to bring someone to check the car out before you buy, sometimes you'll find gems like the one I found and save yourself money and get a great car.

[wyrmtung]

Yes, he bought it "as is" but that doesn't mean he should bend over and take it. If I were him, I would tell the dealer that they should correct the problem (fix car, exchange for equal value, or give a refund) or else he will talk to his lawyer.

He's got a couple of things going for him: For one, the dealer talked him out of getting a warranty by convincing him that the car was in great condition. And another, it broke down less than a week of ownership. You can also check to see if that car has some bad history that the dealer did not disclose during the sale. Seven thousand dollars is a lot of money for an 18 year old to give up without a fight.

He should just keep his cool and never argue with the dealer. Simply tell the dealer what he thinks is fair. If the dealer is unwilling to work with him fairly then just say something like "you will be hearing from my lawyer" then walk away and don't say anything more. Let the dealer stew on that for a day and see if he comes around and tries to contact you. If he doesn't flinch then follow through with your threat and take his ass to court. I think he has enough of a case that a good lawyer should be able to get him fair compensation. Definitely talk to a lawyer to figure out his options.

[Exoduso]

The fact it broke after 5 days doesn't necesarily mean there was a problem when he purchased it... he should take the blame for not buying the warranty.

[Boyiee]

as-is, no warranty, pontiac, 95k miles.

I see several Fails, do you? Friend loses, thanks for the laugh. Enjoy the lemon. I actually have a friend who makes money off of selling lemons. He has no conscience, the people who buy the cars are screwed, business is great. He makes over 1grand on every car, looks like the dealer you guys bought it from made a few. Although an 01' gtx would be too nice of car for his standards lol.

[zimzy]

A Lemon Defined
The state defines a "lemon car" as a new vehicle that has a single problem (or series of problems) that is covered by warranty that seriously impairs the vehicle's use, value, or safety.

Basically it's when you buy a new car and some problem that cannot be resolved by the dealer plagues the car. 1 yr/18k miles qualifies, 7 yrs/95k isn't. >.>

10. General Motors and Dex-Cool

Secondhand General Motors products deserve attention here because ten years after GM began using Dex-Cool as an antifreeze in most of its cars and light trucks, GM car and truck owners continue to complain that the coolant corrodes and clogs radiators and radiator caps, erodes water pumps, rots radiator hoses, causes chronic overheating and engine damage while leading to leaky engine gaskets.

Patricia in Barberton, Ohio, feels cheated by the automaker. "I have had 2 intake gaskets replaced on my 1997 Pontiac Grand Am. The gaskets cost me close to $1,000 and they told me there is no guarantee it won't happen again," she wrote in a complaint to ConsumerAffairs.Com.

"I just recently saw about the Dex-Cool problems and that is what I have been using in my vehicle since that is the kind that is required from the automakers," Patricia said.

Dex-Cool is now used in almost 40 million vehicles sold by GM since 1996. On its web site, GM claims Dex-Cool will last 5 years or 150,000 miles but a steady stream of consumers insist the product is defective and has damaged their vehicles.

That did not work for Rob in Mount Laurel, New Jersey. “My 2001 Malibu with 35,000 miles needs a intake manifold gasket replacement. In addition, my 2001 Olds Aurora with 52,000 miles also has leaking gaskets GM should be responsible for these repairs since they are all Dex-Cool related,” he said.

Consumers looking at used General Motors vehicles should pay additional attention to the engine and have an trusted mechanic examine the cooling systems and engine gaskets.

http://www.ohiolemonlaw.com/used-car-lemon-law.html
-has some useful information

Basically, the only way that your friend is going to get anything out of this is if he gets them on a technicality involving the paperwork and/or window-slip mentioned on the above website, misrepresented information from the dealer, or if he had a service contract for the drivetrain (which would most likely override the "as is" agreement).

Now I'm not too sure what you expected to get out of the /bg/ lawyer team but next time just JFGI, I have yet to have Google flame me (although it has done worse [darn you goatse!]).

[Skyylya]

Unfortunately for your friend he has absolutely no legal leg to stand on, regardless of what a couple people have said.

When you sign the contract to buy the car 'as is' you are agreeing to purchase it with whatever problems it may or may not have. Warranties are crap as they usually don't cover shit but in a used vehicle ALWAYS either bring your own mechanic or talk to the dealership about letting you bring the vehicle to a garage you trust and have it checked out. there is no national standard for 'certified' vehicles and dealerships don't have to do anything special other than clean the car to slap one of those stickers on it.

Unfortunately it is your responsibility as the consumer to cover your ass before you purchase a vehicle by getting anything that needs fixing in writing and getting an actual checklist of what the dealership considers a "131 point inspection" before accepting that they did one. A dealership could say that a 131 point inspection was done and merely took 131 steps around the car, if it's not in writing, do not trust them.

I feel sorry for your friend cause this is a horrible experience and while it is his fault, he's just one more person that was taken by a used car dealer. That is his profession, fucking people in the ass and your friends ass is probably pretty swollen.