What is a FAIR punishment....?

[BIGSTIC]

A Billings man who videotaped himself raping an 18-month-old baby was sentenced Tuesday to life in prison.

http://www.billingsgazette.net/artic...l/26-lacey.txt

Yeah so this happened in the town I live in and well it has kinda been the talk of the town as to what FAIR punishment is for this case. Most people up her tend to think death sounds fair but others say that all he needs is treatment Having an 8 month old myself i am so torn as to why any person would even do this and why certain sectors of society think that this "thing" has the ability to be rehabilitated. My wife read the story and literally had to sit down cause she was in so much shock. I guess living in small town America just got all fucked up

The comments after the story are some of the best read too.

[Falconblade]

You know, Ive always wondered. What constitutes rape for children of that young age?
I mean, there is probably a line between Molestation and rape, but rape is usually defined as insertion, and I don't think thats possible in a 18 month old is it?

[Charla]

I'm thinking the non-lawyer that typed that line (which is probably a news headline from somewhere) wasn't really worried about the distinction and assumed they were interchangable in this kind of case.

[Tyche]

Just kinda looking at this objectively, and offering some outside the box insight...

I think (unless it completely ruined the child's ability to bear children)(didnt read the article btw) that an infant rape victim is much better off than a preteen-teen rape victim. The 18 month old is not going to be mentally scarred by this for the rest of their life, as opposed to what a pre-teen-teen victim would go through. With that said, I have a 5 month old, and I would happily throw the electric chair switch if they did that shit to my daughter. Looking at this objectively, this is probably a fair sentence (assuming there isn't any chance for parole).

[BIGSTIC]

Read the posted article it goes more into depth. But the rumor mills up here are saying the video did show insertion. Like i said this is quite disturbing.

And Tyche. After just coming from my sisters who has an 18 month old daughter. I would have to disagree with the assumption that she wont remember. Yeah we might not remember what it was like to be that age, i can say that at that age kids do remember events hence why they only tend to fall down the stairs once etc.

[Koyuki]

Wonder if I can find that video.....




Don't kill me

[Tyche]

Ok, read the article, and the above still holds true to me...

This stood out...

Lacey spoke at length, sometimes reading from a prepared statement. He said he was addicted to child pornography at one time and thought he had controlled the addiction. He said the public has a "rampant misconception toward sex offenders," and he lamented the lack of resources.

A courtroom is the wrong damn place to try to justify a sex offenders actions. The "I'm sick" would work much better...

Also, the girl is six now, and if I recall psychology class correctly, I don't believe that you preserve any memories before a certain age. Infantile amnesia I believe they call it. Which says to me the parents of her are really pushing the agenda on her. I would assume the tape would be enough to convict him without the parents parading the little girl around a courtroom and filling her head with details of what happened. I as a parent would leave my kid at the door, enter the courtroom myself, and try to be as hazy and bland with my daughter as to what happened. Although with the digital age comes the internet, and when she's old enough to log on a PC, she would be able to pull up every detail of the case she wished by simply typing her name into google. It's certainly very thin ice on how to approach it as a parent, but there's no way I could put my child into a courtroom and fill in details of her being raped, when she probably has no recollection of it, especially when she's only 6 years old. Id want her to try to have some normalcy in her life.

The stairs analogy is really a poor one...Sure, you only fall down the stairs once...but do you remember the details of that first fall? Do you remember the first time you crawled? Do you know how to crawl now? Just because you are aware of how to approach something that is first taught at a young age, doesn't mean that the lesson learned was a direct result of the first instance. When I was a toddler, I pulled a curling iron on my arm and got 2nd degree burns...I knew from then on out not to touch a curling iron....do I remember the incident? Not at all, but the repercussions aren't easily forgotten.

[Falconblade]

Ok, read the article, and the above still holds true to me...

This stood out...

Although with the digital age comes the internet, and when she's old enough to log on a PC, she would be able to pull up every detail of the case she wished by simply typing her name into google.

I'm pretty sure she can't actually, because Minors that are involved in cases are not called by names, just Boy/Girl I believe

[BIGSTIC]

The stairs analogy is really a poor one...Sure, you only fall down the stairs once...but do you remember the details of that first fall? Do you remember the first time you crawled? Do you know how to crawl now? Just because you are aware of how to approach something that is first taught at a young age, doesn't mean that the lesson learned was a direct result of the first instance. When I was a toddler, I pulled a curling iron on my arm and got 2nd degree burns...I knew from then on out not to touch a curling iron....do I remember the incident? Not at all, but the repercussions aren't easily forgotten.

Ahh but you did Learn that iron are hot. Just as l would assume this little girl learned that men are bad. Not saying she will remember the rape but i am sure her attitude towards men will always be jaded now. I hope she grows up to lead a normal life but unfortunately in todays society i doubt that will happen.

[Afrohatch]

Fair enough punishment, for he will probably be killed in prison for doing what he did.

[Tyche]

True, but if the kid had half a brain and wanted to do any kind of research on herself or her family, which I'm sure most do, she'd stumble on the details. That's what I'm really getting at. As a parent, it's my obligation to explain to my child what happened when they are old enough to understand, I just don't want to push details in their heads when they are just exiting kindergarten.

@Bigstic, exactly, as I said, an infant will prolly have little to no recollection of the incident as opposed to an older child or teenager. Now, this goes without saying that what happens to you in your first stages of life have an effect on social behaviors and other skills later on in life. Language development is a good example, as I'm sure you do not remember uttering your first word or sentence, but communication between you and your parents at the age that you cannot recollect specific memories undoubtedly had/has an effect on how you speak today.

[Edgie]

This brings tears to my eyes, honestly imo the worse thing you can do in life is hurt young children.
Tyche said he be happy to pull the switch for the chair, If he did that shit to my daughter, Ill be on trial for murder... probably beat it with temp insanity plea.

[Kuya]

There can be no fair punishment. Most people just aren't going to look at this objectively considering the events that transpired.

[Meat]

I've always been anti-rehabilitation\pro punishment, there's too many "good people" in the world to waste time on bad ones.

[BIGSTIC]

If he did that shit to my daughter, Ill be on trial for murder... probably beat it with temp insanity plea.

This came up while talking to my freind (who passed the bar last summer). She said that if you gonna kill make sure you unload every round in the clip. Something about being able to prove temp insanity. Course i mentioned if unloaded my 5 round .50 Cal clip there wouldn't be much of the body to identify

[Edgie]

The woman said her daughter recently gathered a small container of fish bait, shampoo and "every nasty thing she could think of" and asked her mother to give it to the judge. The girl said the judge should order Lacey to eat it.

taken from article, that actually made me laugh


Fuck a gun, Id beat him to death, honestly just thinking about it makes brings tears to my eyes. (rightnow)

[Denchi]

Well I'm not entirelely sure what to think...

The guy is obviously fucked up, so he needs therapy. But he also videotaped an action which is very illegal, so civil disobedience? Not even.?It's a cry for help, or something, and wrong, so he needs to be put in jail for a long time, or solitary confinement for the rest of his life. Death might even be appropriate. This might be one of the few cases where the person is 100% guilty, admits it, and there is no confusion as to whether or not he did it. With something so defiant, especially with a child so young (where I think the severity of the crime is more) kill the guy, fuck him. He knows exactly what he did, and he deserves whatever is coming to him.?or at least solitary confinement for the rest of his life. Make him get to the point where he doesn't care whether he's alive or dead, then let him sit in that state for the rest of his life, just as good IMO.

[Sigi]

If that were my daughter... there wouldn't be a body left.

This is a case where you have a mad-dog... someone that has zero hope of rehabilitation/socialization. Like a rabid dog... he will cause more trouble for society than he is worth. Solution? I say make him a bomb defuser in Iraq. Extremely dangerous, unlikely to survive... and in a hellish location instead of the relatively posh environs of a prison.

[Cheerios]

This reminds me of Georgia Rule suddenly!

[Winter85]

I'm shocked too after reading this.. This make me sick. -.-