Strategies to Defeat AV (All Theories/Ideas Here)

[Voullab]

You know what would be funny? If locking his regen was preciselly the trigger for his 2h spams.
I mean honestly, if I had a 1k auto-regen and someone cut it off, I'd be pretty pissed and start using my 2hs as well.

Curiously enough, to beat his regen without locking it would fall directly into the only real fighting tip given by SE, that the real key for AV was speed (although they could be refering to the running speed, to run away from him)

[Foustian]

You know what would be funny? If locking his regen was preciselly the trigger for his 2h spams.
I mean honestly, if I had a 1k auto-regen and someone cut it off, I'd be pretty pissed and start using my 2hs as well.

Curiously enough, to beat his regen without locking it would fall directly into the only real fighting tip given by SE, that the real key for AV was speed (although they could be refering to the running speed, to run away from him)

Yes but Sundi also said that there's something that has to happen or will happen after you've stopped his regen. I think. That whole conversation in Bercus's interview confused the hell out of me.

[Plow]

You know what would be funny? If locking his regen was preciselly the trigger for his 2h spams.
I mean honestly, if I had a 1k auto-regen and someone cut it off, I'd be pretty pissed and start using my 2hs as well.

Curiously enough, to beat his regen without locking it would fall directly into the only real fighting tip given by SE, that the real key for AV was speed (although they could be refering to the running speed, to run away from him)

If it were that simple people would beat it with zergs by now-- I don't care how high your regen is nothing is surviving a DL level zerg (which can be accomplished by mass souleaters in alliance and mass healers outside) if it's not raping everyone.

[Hapernack]

They said they could defeat it with a dev team, they didn't say how many :<

<SquareEnix> Oh sorry we forgot to mention by "developement team" we mean we used every programmer, designer, editor, and person who was involved in the making of Final Fantasy XI. OOPSIE!

[Nystul]

They said they could defeat it with a dev team, they didn't say how many :<

<SquareEnix> Oh sorry we forgot to mention by "developement team" we mean we used every programmer, designer, editor, and person who was involved in the making of Final Fantasy XI. OOPSIE!

Step 1: Pop AV
Step 2: CFH AV
Step 3: Maul AV with 85 summoners
Step 4: Laugh at gaijin

[Dian]

My Strategy

Step 1: Pop AV
Step 2: Zerg Down with an alliance of Pup.
Step 3: Laugh at how silly your linkshell members look in pup AF.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

First a SAM, next sash goes to a PUP. What is this game coming to?

[fussel]

so you are saying the way you kill jailers which could be done days, months, years before you fight AV, with completely different people, will change the outcome of the fight with AV despite the fact that you use the same identical items to pop love (as there are only 1 of each in the dats)?

Maybe every fight against any jailer affects AV, but it's reset on Conquest tally.

Maybe another group fighting a jailer after your group might even reset a lock that you created.

I just thought about that flint stone quest in Bastok where you can't trade your items in when anyone else did before...

[Sagacious Sundi]

thank you, i'll track it here.

Question about your idea - SE swares blind you can kill it with 18,

Cite it or they didn't fucking say it.

I think most people are thinking of JoL when they say that. Back when JoL wasn't defeated, BG interviewed them, they said the team defeated it with 18*, and the interview spawned "wut" and "I don't know".

*This tends to get twisted into "killed AV with 18 people in full AF".

[Saraphym]

Step 4: Laugh at gaijin

except jp's aren't having much better luck afaik.

[Nystul]

They still laugh at us. Hard. Then they lick sake off of our mother's breasts. Ohhhh how I hate them.

[Voullab]

If it were that simple people would beat it with zergs by now-- I don't care how high your regen is nothing is surviving a DL level zerg (which can be accomplished by mass souleaters in alliance and mass healers outside) if it's not raping everyone.

XD I wasn't really serious about not messing with his Regen, but is actually a bit funny, cuz I don't think anyone has ever fought him without cutting it off. Consciently or not they are cutting it.

but if you put together his regen and uber high eva, I'm not sure zerging would take anyone anywhere... I was more thinking about a huge wave of SATAed SCs > MB.
As SAM I honestly don't enjoy using /THF, but being able to cap cratio and garantee a hit sounds kinda usefull.

[deivi]

You want to know how to beat AV? This is the REAL answer. I guarantee this will work.
1. Stop fighting it. Kill JOL, and when that dies and AV pops, just walk away. Don't fuck with it, don't test strats, it doesn't exist.
2. Stop talking about it. Don't ask questions at interviews about it, don't mail in questions, don't post long theory threads on forums about it.
3. Go on with life as though AV does not exist.

This will work. You know why? Because their satisfaction at seeing people struggle constantly with the mob will end. "oh, they aren't even touching it now. This whole endgame portion isn't being used."

I agree with you for the most part, but isnt this pretty much how it is now? Its been a long time since I've read about anyone actualy wasting time and xp trying to fight it. In interviews ppl basicaly tell SE, "how do you beat AV? everything imaginable has been tried and we've all given up until you throw us a bone"
I think the only thing that will lead to an AV nerf is when the majority of zammers finally start having to deal with it and the way to a win will be lined with foam rubber and rose petals like CoP missions

[BRP]

Talk of AV makes me think that SE put in a way to weaken Dynamis Lord, because I simply can't imagine they planned on people using chainspell stun and zerg.

[Stolin]

Talk of AV makes me think that SE put in a way to weaken Dynamis Lord, because I simply can't imagine they planned on people using chainspell stun and zerg.

The trick is killing mobs around it to stop his regen.

[Zalius]

Talk of AV makes me think that SE put in a way to weaken Dynamis Lord, because I simply can't imagine they planned on people using chainspell stun and zerg.

The trick is killing mobs around it to stop his regen.

kill animated weapons to weaken DL

[Medivac]

what if you did somthing dumb like stood behind a tree. lol

because i get interupted when i try and cast on somthing when a tree's in the way, what if you stood between one so it wouldnt meteor? (is dumb but whos to say we arent all being wooshed by somthing dumb we are missing)

[Dian]

what if you did somthing dumb like stood behind a tree. lol

because i get interupted when i try and cast on somthing when a tree's in the way, what if you stood between one so it wouldnt meteor? (is dumb but whos to say we arent all being wooshed by somthing dumb we are missing)

Mobs don't play by the same rules. Like if you run circles around a mob that's attacking you it will still hit you every attack round, but if you do that to a player in ballista/brenner they will miss a bunch of attack rounds due to not being able to see you.

[Therin]

what if you did somthing dumb like stood behind a tree. lol

because i get interupted when i try and cast on somthing when a tree's in the way, what if you stood between one so it wouldnt meteor? (is dumb but whos to say we arent all being wooshed by somthing dumb we are missing)

Clearly you don't play a tank job. <_>

As he said, normal rules don't apply.

Go aggro a Ghrah and have it cast on you, then run around the corner and watch the spell go off.

[Drake Draconis]

Well, from my point of view...

AV is just unbeatabale now...There is some small slight trick no one is picking up and you know its like the stupidest thing in the world like you all didnt use your 2hrs on Jailer of Love and he inturn gets all the two hours that people didnt use on JoL or in the surrounding area.

It is a possability that for the fourth fifth and sixth virtue you need to do it much like what was said earlier and when you get that Virtue in your treasure pool, its encoded with specifics of the fight that will then be translated into weither AV pops, weither he is weakened or w/e. Sea was notorious for having out of the ordinary mobs and stuff that was unstunnable and unenfeebleable...Maybe they added a more indepth trigger than what we generally have a understanding for.

Would be some funny stuff to see a matinence to fix AV by dev team...then as they try and remove AV from the game to fix him, he somehow crashes the dev teams systems and gives them critical errors like he has a mind of his own in the game now lol. Just like a frankenstien on the loose that just WONT die...