Strategies to Defeat AV (All Theories/Ideas Here)

[Belkin]

I'm sure I'll get an lolnoob get more posts for this but has anyone tried a Fire Resist setup to survive Meteor/Mijin on AV? If the rest of the plan works where mages can stay out of range and only tanks get hit maybe they could survive all the rest of the 2hrs?

Meteor and Mijin Gakure are both non elemental damage. I would assume Comet is also. Your only chance is magic damage reduction gear. The job ability "Fealty" not only resists almost every debuff under the sun, but it also reduces non elemental magic damage drastically. Enough to take Chelvnik's final Meteor from 1250+ to 200 without any magic reduction gear. Too bad the recast even when fully merited is too high to be of any consistent use.

[Max™]

Perhaps we should ask those Fomors at Blueblade Fell what they think the trick is.

I'm pretty sure they're the first testers for CoP, who died at the original difficulty level IRL and were put there a la some Ghost in The Shell type shit.


Seriously, wtf is up with them?

I went up there to see about this dragon I keep hearing about, and a fucking Galka appears behind me.

I move back and see they just stand there.

Galka Pld, Hume Drg (with Impossible to Gauge Wyvern >.<), Taru Blm, Mithra Drk, and a Mithra Rdm and Hume Sam back up the path a little.

[Zirk]

Does AV's meteor hit people out of alliance who have no hate on AV whatsoever?

[Max™]

Does AV's meteor hit people out of alliance who have no hate on AV whatsoever?

AV's Meteor once killed a guy walking down a street in Birmingham Alabama, he had no idea what the hell happened.
A passerby said he saw the number 3987 Pop up over the guys head and then he hit the pavement.

[Zirk]

Does AV's meteor hit people out of alliance who have no hate on AV whatsoever?

AV's Meteor once killed a guy walking down a street in Birmingham Alabama, he had no idea what the hell happened.
A passerby said he saw the number 3987 Pop up over the guys head and then he hit the pavement.

Well if that is the case whoever is complaining about needing more tanks to round down meteor damage (if it does round down) just have parties of level 1's with hymnus sac themselves out of ally to round down damage.

[Max™]

I..

Uh..

Ow... my head hurts now.

[Zirk]

Anyways, as far as the meteor spam vs benediction debate on which is the bigger issue, I'm gonna have to go with surviving meteor spam.

This is Absolute Fucking Virtue, if you are going to win, you are going to need to catch a few breaks, you are going to need to get lucky.

If you can solve the first problem of the 79% meteor/comet spam, then just keep pressing on with constant damage and hope to get lucky that AV decides to not use benediction, if he does, well, you can either take another shot at it or try your luck again another time.

As we all know, AV at 79% goes into a special "mode" where it only spams certain abilities (ie meteor) and as someone pointed out, maybe once you get to that point AV won't use benediction or other 2hours. It's also possible that once you damage AV enough through meteor mode, say 59%, meteor mode will stop, maybe he'll put bracelets on and only melee without spells or 2hours.

Theorizing here, but maybe the reason AV was able to glitch into a mode where he wouldn't cast any spells or use any job abilities or weapon skills when he was bugged was due to the fact he actually has a mode he's supposed to go into later on in the fight where he doesn't use spells, JA, WS, etc.

Before we can find out the answers to any of this, have to solve the meteor problem first, then worry about benediction.

[Max™]

Seriously though, only seen "that won't work" posted about this.

Do the JoL regen Locking thing.

Do the AV regen Locking thing.

Try the old Wyvnav locking method after Regen is stopped, see if it doesn't work.

Be nice if they made a pop item that could drop from JoL for AV dammit.

Best Idea I've heard in a long time regarding him.

[Falisa]

2. Train AV to front gate, take him under the bridge leading to the main gate and hold him there.

First problem I see. As far as I know, he draws in constantly and has constant flee speed so getting it that far would be quite a task.

And I don't think the AoEs are really the problem even though they are annoying. Its more about the benediction.

If they only thing people can ever say anymore is "lolbenediction" then kindly STFU. We all know Benediction fucking blows, we've been knowing that for.... oh, # of days since AV was in the game minus about 20. Instead of just saying "zomg benediction" every time someone posts about AV, how about a) trying to figure out how to hold him indefinitely, and then b) using a try to figure out how to prevent him from using benediction. b is not possible without a, so shut the FUCK up about b.

No offense to you personally, it's just getting stupid seeing every AV thread being littered with shit about benediction. We get it, really we do.

Did you have to be a jerk about it? Reading what the guys first post said, it seemed like he thought the main problem everyone was having fighting it was the AoE. I was talking to the OP when I wrote that, not everyone that knows it already.

[Tankjr]

Meteor and Mijin Gakure are both non elemental damage. I would assume Comet is also.

The icon next to Mijin is red, and fire resist works on other mobs Mijins. Would it then be safe to assume that AV's Mijin is also fire?

And the .dats show Comet as Dark if I'm not mistaken.

[DrObvious]

How far down past the 79% comet/meteor mode have you gotten av then? Has it actually used benediction after this point?

I don't recall it using Benediction after the 79% Comet/Meteor mode but I think we got it to 78% before just tossing the idea aside, because we heard of this happening to another LS and had no hope for it changing for us. We held it for quite a while around that % before the wipe but had to focus most of our efforts on staying alive, and didn't end up doing much damage to it. But the 79% Comet/Meteor mode is much worse than normal AV IMO since instead of Aero spells it spams those spells regularly along with the TP attacks.

How far down have people gotten it past 79% and has it actually been confirmed that it can still benediction in this mode? It might just be that everyone gives up assuming that even if they can possibly hold and damage it, that it will still benediction. Even if it did before, after they fixed the locks they might have changed this.

[Spira]

I'm sure I'll get an lolnoob get more posts for this but has anyone tried a Fire Resist setup to survive Meteor/Mijin on AV? If the rest of the plan works where mages can stay out of range and only tanks get hit maybe they could survive all the rest of the 2hrs?

Meteor and Mijin Gakure are both non elemental damage. I would assume Comet is also. Your only chance is magic damage reduction gear. The job ability "Fealty" not only resists almost every debuff under the sun, but it also reduces non elemental magic damage drastically. Enough to take Chelvnik's final Meteor from 1250+ to 200 without any magic reduction gear. Too bad the recast even when fully merited is too high to be of any consistent use.

I recall AV being a CoP mob, and Merit Grp 2's being added during the ToA era. That said, AV should be able to be beaten without any of these new tools, equipment or jobs.. although maybe easier. What you are implying is that Fealty brings Meteor and Mijin from unbearable -> ok... instead of from ok-it-didn't-kill-me -> "just a flesh wound".. which isn't particularly acceptable in the case of AV, because he was barely defeatable in the past. And SE cannot expect every single group who attempts AV to be geared up with Aegis' and only the best gear around... so I seriously think they need to review AV as a mob... especially its 2hr spam thing.

[Priran]

Meteor and Mijin Gakure are both non elemental damage. I would assume Comet is also.

The icon next to Mijin is red, and fire resist works on other mobs Mijins. Would it then be safe to assume that AV's Mijin is also fire?

And the .dats show Comet as Dark if I'm not mistaken.

mijin is not fire

[Max™]

Perhaps we figured out how to lock it (Wyvnavs) but they didn't expect us to work out how to lock it in that order, so they ninja'd it and now its "broken".

Perhaps we have to lock the Regen first, before we can lock it again.

Locklocklocklocklock.

The word starts to sound funny when you say it over and over again.

[Nightsx]

My old linkshell tried this almost exact same strategy except for a few differences.
We had two people on level 1 jobs and a 75 BRD with Gjallarhorn(Not that it makes much of a difference for this.).
The level one jobs would pull AV for a certain distance with a ranged attack while the BRD popped Mazurka/Hymnus on them and proceeded to disband.
The level ones would gain a fair amount of distance before being blown to shit, then re-raising.

Eventually, it worked and AV was at the bridge, but as many before me have said, he would one shot our tanks and then our holding parties for the wyverns would eventually get raped and AV ended up making distance back, so we'd rinse and repeat.
We could have gone on forever trying the same deal, but it was just a big exp sink, so we said fuck it, he's unbeatable lol


edit: By the way, my sig is from that fight lawl

[Vail]

Meteor and Mijin Gakure are both non elemental damage. I would assume Comet is also.

The icon next to Mijin is red, and fire resist works on other mobs Mijins. Would it then be safe to assume that AV's Mijin is also fire?

And the .dats show Comet as Dark if I'm not mistaken.

no, fire resist builds don't work on mijin gakure from players or mobs.

and for good measure: baraera doesn't reduce hurricane wing damage

[Koga]

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[Metah]

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How enlightening!

[RKenshin]

Now the numbers I posted above were assuming you had some further damage reduction like Magic Defense Bonus to bring it to 900, since it would be 4500 base rather than the 6k in this image, if that's even possible, but I was trying to be charitable with the details.

Edit: To continue, I don't know that you would need 10 either, but you'd need more than 3-4, probably more than 5 people to eat Meteor, and it's more of a balance of how low you get the damage to each individual against the the total amount of HP needed to recover from it afterward. To be honest we tried a similar strat to the OP's suggestion last November, but rather with tanks both above and below, close enough to cure each other and act on AV when he was at the other tank, but with AV needing the to path around every time the other pulled hate. The problems we encountered was neither Benediction (never used) nor Manafont (used only Comet only the one time he fonted, so we got lucky in that regard, unlucky now since it would be nice to have personal verification that it does indeed follow the standard AoE damage rules), but the hate degradation from pathing out of visual range of the PLDs every time he ran around (which could possibly be fixed by tightening their positions relative to one another, but you'd want to do so without bringing them within the vertical radius of the AoE cylinder), and poorly conceived plan for dealing with the wynavs (which could easily be remedied).

I still think that Meteor doesn't follow the same AoE reduction rules as -ga spells. It just doesn't make sense with the multitude of screen shots of large groups of people taking the same damage as small groups/a single person. For example on say the KS99 KB final meteor, whether it hits one person or the whole alliance I've always seen basically the same range of damage numbers (based on people's buffs), and there are some screens of this on my LJ.

I don't feel that one screen shot works as solid evidence against it either since we don't know his gear/buffs or if there was any kind of day damage bonus on the Meteor (not sure if that can happen but I don't see why not?).

EDIT: Examples
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7704/mpk48tf.jpg
Above is hitting multiple people, obviously large variances in damage based on whether people had shell/magic damage reduction/etc. I took 1856.
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/1...kmyself6xb.jpg
Only hit me alone, I took 1925.

How far down have people gotten it past 79% and has it actually been confirmed that it can still benediction in this mode? It might just be that everyone gives up assuming that even if they can possibly hold and damage it, that it will still benediction. Even if it did before, after they fixed the locks they might have changed this.

I've never heard of it being taken down any reasonable amount further after it getting in that mode but I never heard of it gaining access to any 2hs again either.

One thing to keep in mind though is that just like the whole 2hs locking thing before, this could just as easily have been a glitch. Especially since this event didn't happen unless you somehow locked 2hs on AV but not his spells/TP attacks. While it is something to keep in mind I wouldn't really consider it as a barrier just yet unless it's confirmed to still exist.

[Kaylia]

Meteor and Mijin Gakure are both non elemental damage. I would assume Comet is also.

The icon next to Mijin is red, and fire resist works on other mobs Mijins. Would it then be safe to assume that AV's Mijin is also fire?

And the .dats show Comet as Dark if I'm not mistaken.

No, it does not.

I still think that Meteor doesn't follow the same AoE reduction rules as -ga spells. It just doesn't make sense with the multitude of screen shots of large groups of people taking the same damage as small groups/a single person. For example on say the KS99 KB final meteor, whether it hits one person or the whole alliance I've always seen basically the same range of damage numbers (based on people's buffs), and there are some screens of this on my LJ.

This meteor isn't a good example I think, because it follow differently rule. I believe it's a special Mijin in disguise (wouldn't do damage otherwise).

The other meteor casted in the BC seem to follow normal rule, since you can reduce the damage to something you can handle.