Strategies to Defeat AV (All Theories/Ideas Here)

[Vandole]

I just realized AV was made back before all the pld buffs when tanking with earth staff was not unheard of, maybe they limited themselves to pre-shield patch ect. to make it fair.

Aegis would obviously be better but if they gave everyone in the video relics we would be bitching about them cheating.

they did have an apoc drk, but a domaruuuu sam to balance it out..

[Priran]

Maybe you're supposed to counter AV's 2-hour with the same one, then spam the 2hours you want to lock? That's the only way I can think of countering something like Benediction.

not particularly related but the DRG used Call Wyvern to counter Call Wyvern, so if it has something to do with countering his abilities to weaken him, DRG would be the easy button.

[Rocl]

Why was there a melee-ing RDM with a staff out there?

They were using RDM/NIN tanks at some points

[Avanarius]

After watching every video multiple times I've came to my own personal conclusion that they're doing nothing of the sort to match the 2 hour AV is using. SE is probably laughing at the community for over assuming the technicality of the fight.

From the other thread:

1. Iceday 12:10, Call Wyvern (from English video, part 3)
player 2hrs used: blm, pld, smn, drg (call wyvern), rdm, brd, blm

2. Iceday 14:42, Soul Voice (from Japanese VIdeo, part 1 and German Video, part 2)
player 2hrs used: blm, smn, blm, drg, brd, brd, sam, whm, blm, drk, blm, rdm

3. Iceday 16:14, 100 Fists (from French video, part 2)
player 2hrs used: blm, brd, blm, brd, smn, rdm

4. Iceday 16:55, Meikyo Shisui (from Japanese Video, part 2 and German VIdeo, Part 3)
player 2hrs used: blm, brd, blm, sam, drg, brd, smn, rdm, drk, brd

5. Lightningsday 5:07 Chainspell (from English Video, part 2 and French video, part 3)
player 2hrs used: blm, brd, rdm, brd

6. Lightningsday 6:50 Soul Voice (from English Video part 1)
player 2hrs used: pld, blm, whm, blm, sam, drg, whm, smn, blm, blm, brd, drk, rdm, brd, brd

7. Lightningsday 8:55 Astral Flow (from French Video, part 1 and German Video, part 1)
player 2hrs used: blm, blm, blm, brd, rdm, brd, blm, drg, smn, whm, rdm, drk

8. Lightningsday 13:55 Astral Flow (from Japanese Video, part 3)
player 2hrs used: pld, blm, smn, brd, drg, blm, blm, pld, blm, rdm, brd, rdm

What we know from this:

They're using 2 hours multiple times in a short course of the fight, which means A: They're cheating and resetting the 2 hour somehow, B: Something is resetting it for them, C: They're fighting for 8+ hours or more based on assuming the timeframe of the video is in the correct order(lol).

We can also assume that they're literally just spamming 2 hours when AV uses his, it is NOT consistent and just because you see a smn use Astral Flow when AV does doesn't mean it was planned or it's some devious mathematical equation.

Based on the above I will assume that using a 2 hour when AV does has a percentile effect on what AV can do in the future. Could it really be that simple?

[Ohemgee]

Or they used CORs as stage hands.

[6souls]

finally got youtube to upload.

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[Gnark]

It looks like they are trying to get rid of 2hrs rather than use them when he is.
If you look at video at 2:53-2-54 you can see the PLD is using Invincible right before AV 2hrs.

[stinkypoo]

It looks like they are trying to get rid of 2hrs rather than use them when he is.
If you look at video at 2:53-2-54 you can see the PLD is using Invincible right before AV 2hrs.

In the chat log yes, but animation-wise, the dust cloud appears before the Invincible animation (at least I think that's the animation, I'm not that familiar with it <_>).

[6souls]

do the fight with no 2hrs. thats hilarious and entirely plausable.

[Tarage]

I figured it out! It was right in front of us all the time!

The secret to defeating AV is...

Puppetmaster!

[frodnonnag]

i'm thinking the engaged rdm means the job needs to be engaged and attacking when they blow 2hour.

as for tank, obvious choice is probably gonna be pld/nin

[LinktheDeme]

i'm thinking the engaged rdm means the job needs to be engaged and attacking when they blow 2hour.

as for tank, obvious choice is probably gonna be pld/nin

As stupid as this sounds I agree with this, All the jobs were engaged and hitting the mob when they all used their two hours.

[Mansin]

i'm thinking the engaged rdm means the job needs to be engaged and attacking when they blow 2hour.

as for tank, obvious choice is probably gonna be pld/nin

As stupid as this sounds I agree with this, All the jobs were engaged and hitting the mob when they all used their two hours.

No, they weren't. Fastforward to 3:30~.

[rori]

They're definately not all actively meleeing. If you watch the German video you can clearly see a line of jobs outside of AOE range that all bust 2hrs when he busts his. None of them have weapons out. You see the BLMs all manafonting at about the 3 minute mark. Also about 10 seconds before that you see a taru kiting a wynav away from the fight.

I wonder if this means that the Wynavs should be kited off instead of killed?

Also, I'm sure everyone noticed theres no Aern around at any time during the fight... Are they being killed or kited off?

[Elonna]

wow ok i see it

[Mansin]

how come no one talks about them spamming sleep? everytime the thing 2hrs they either casted sleep before it or right after it

We do, you just don't read the threads.

[supercoco]

dispel/sleep/addRdmSpell has been used to get hate over plds to tank by rdms , there is no hidden secret about it

[Alistaire]

When I first watched that I didn't notice the Invincible the first time they zoomed in on the chat. Missing that, all you would see is some player casting Baraera, which made me lol hard.

[Araius]

i'm thinking the engaged rdm means the job needs to be engaged and attacking when they blow 2hour.

as for tank, obvious choice is probably gonna be pld/nin

As stupid as this sounds I agree with this, All the jobs were engaged and hitting the mob when they all used their two hours.

No, they weren't. Fastforward to 3:30~.

As I said somewhere buried in the other thread, it's obvious not everyone there knows what they're doing (see: Yokodama SAM). So it's quite possible that those who weren't engaged were doing it wrong :rocl:

Then again it's just as possible that the engaged mages were doing it wrong too.

[Heian]

i'm thinking the engaged rdm means the job needs to be engaged and attacking when they blow 2hour.

as for tank, obvious choice is probably gonna be pld/nin

As stupid as this sounds I agree with this, All the jobs were engaged and hitting the mob when they all used their two hours.

No, they weren't. Fastforward to 3:30~.

As I said somewhere buried in the other thread, it's obvious not everyone there knows what they're doing (see: Yokodama SAM). So it's quite possible that those who weren't engaged were doing it wrong :rocl:

Then again it's just as possible that the engaged mages were doing it wrong too.

The Development team do something wrong!?! What is this blasphemy you speak of!?!