Strategies to Defeat AV (All Theories/Ideas Here)

[TrogdorOfKujata]

They did use meiyko(sp) shisui, but the SAM didn't utilize it, the DRK appeared to be the only person who actually utilized his 2HR. I still think there is a possibility that we can do something involving our 2HR's but, Only after we completely kill his regen.

[Galatea]

I'm hoping someone gets him soon.

Next LS that goes for should use some of these ideas:

Lock regen first.
Slow nuke only tier 1-4's no -ga's
Avoid wrong element magic like flash and anything that will actually effect him.
Attempt something with the 2HR's once AV's regen is locked, might be why we haven't figured it out yet.
No WS's
See what happens if you keep 1 wynav alive and kited.
Keep aern's alive.

This stuff has been tested, most of it is currently being/been tested, but I also see that killing regen first is crucial, which hasn't happened. Do that then try other things to see what happens.

So how will people get hate.... RDMs have to spam magic to keep hate, so does PLD... Dispel sleep flash etc... BLM/NINs? lol



Also, I wondered, on dark and lightsday, has anyone tried nuking in the MBable elements? Like thunder on lights, water on darks, since they can be MBed off light/dark?

I was nuking with Thunder elements during Lightsday with no noticeable demerit/reaction from AV.
Safe to assume the 3 elements corresponding to Light/Dark can be used on that day?
Obviously, Ice/Lightning/Lightsday is best time to play with AV

[Alistaire]

Theory time hoooooooooooooooooooooo :

Maybe (MAYBE!) its 2hrs are linked to the 2hrs that are at the players disposal??? EH? like use all ur 2hrs before JoL dies or some shit. lol

JFC this thread is getting to the point of....I don't even know what's after retardation

I had to doublecheck, Euph said he thought of it first and I was like, that wasn't what he posted right? But lol I guess it was.

[Hanyoko]

I'd like to take a moment to discuss the continual use of player 2hrs evident in the video. From the provided footage we can clearly see that players are using their 2hrs more often then is normally allowed. From this two distinct cases can be concluded:

1) SE was cheating and had reduced recast on 2hrs for purposes of demonstrating the kill of AV.
2) There is a yet undiscovered method to replicate this function.

If option 1 is the case that would make the entire Video invalid as we already know that using cheats/exploits can result in a win (wall of justice, goblin, etc)

Therefore let’s focus on #2. If this effect is something that any player can replicate then there is equipment which has yet another hidden effect.

We can rule out almost all visible items as there wasn’t anything really special with their gear/weapon selections. Therefore the following slots are choices: Ears, Ammo/Ranged, Rings, Neck, Back, and Waist.
From those which specifically relate to sea we have a wide selection. I'm going to rule out things like brutal and Rajas, other the other event/mission based items. This leaves us back at the following: Virtue stones, Jailer torques, Sea gorgets, Sea Obi. I want to say that Jailer torques can be ruled out since they are rather popular to have equipped and there is harder correlation to the next train of thought.

Virtue stones are simply a 'virtue'. Most notable effect is allowing the jailer weapons to double attack. Perhaps having them equipped bestows additional hidden properties?
Sea Gorgets. Mostly used when performing a Weapon skill; which via Salvage Pathos classifies as an Ability. Perhaps using Day appropriate gorgets with a player 2hr will result in the observed situation.
Sea Obi. Mostly used when casting magics. Bestow the full effects of the game day on the player. Like the gorgets perhaps having the day appropriate obi equiped while interacting with AV can result in the observed situation.
Lastly some combo of the above may be required such as: Virtue stone + obi, or Virtue stone + gorget

Again, this is all based on the hope that SE was not cheating to demonstrate that AV can be killed. Happy Hunting!

[Xno Kappa]

I'm with the theory that this video was just a placebo from SE to have people get butt-raped from AV again...

[Lucavi]

I'm with the theory that this video was just a placebo from SE to have people get butt-raped from AV again...

Thank you for agreeing. It was a good idea for them to drum up a little revived excitement into an otherwise droll period of time for the MMO. Seems the best action was hearing about the drama on individual servers, and that shit should always be the last thing to get excited over.

Still though, its nice to see some of the best minds of the game come together and try to figure this mess out -- I just hope it wasn't an early April Fool's gift by SE, but I wouldn't be surprised..

[Demosthenes11]

I'm with the theory that this video was just a placebo from SE to have people get butt-raped from AV again...

Thank you for agreeing. It was a good idea for them to drum up a little revived excitement into an otherwise droll period of time for the MMO. Seems the best action was hearing about the drama on individual servers, and that shit should always be the last thing to get excited over.

Still though, its nice to see some of the best minds of the game come together and try to figure this mess out -- I just hope it wasn't an early April Fool's gift by SE, but I wouldn't be surprised..

whoa whoa whoa
Where have you been reading

[Eticket]

I'm with the theory that this video was just a placebo from SE to have people get butt-raped from AV again...

oh look mr. sundi someone else is trying AV, I'll get the popcorn

wut?

[Stanislaw]

/start sarcasm

In an attempt to be original and funny, has this ever been attempted before?

PUP x18

Before you dismiss this as something idiotic (and believe me, I feel like a total idiot for even suggesting something like this), I'd like to direct you folks to this video made by Elmer about a year ago here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NL_ToS2ZCk

I stumbled upon this video as I was scrolling through PUP Youtube videos since one of my friends wanted to Ballista with me on my soon-to-be 75 PUP soon, and I saw saw Elmer had posted several PUP videos too so I decided to check them out. At the end of the video Elmer jokingly adds "18 PUPs vs Absolute Virtue GO!"

Then it got me thinking.

...seriously, can it?

Theoretically speaking, since AV doesn't agro until engaged, 18 PUPs can use their BLM Automatons in succession by casting Blizzard IV's non-stop (provided they have it merited). If they can pull this off without mistakes, will that be enough damage to slowly whittle away its health provided you got rid some of it's Regen from killing enough sharks spawned by Jailer of Love?

Of course, there's always the possibility that AV doesn't lose agro from this method because it's an NM, and there are several NMs out there that don't lose agro no matter what and/or even agro people who are in the same party/alliance simply because they are. If this is the case then this theory is totally useless and can be debunked immediately and it means I've made a total fool of myself (which I think is the case)... but if this works...

It'll be the most ironic and hilarious thing ever.

/end sarcasm

Of course, if it does work you can count on SE ninja fixing it.

[Alistaire]

Good luck finding 18 PUP75s on 1 server.

[Glyph]

I call Shenanigans on SE!!
What 72 2-hrs and 6 call wyverns ? In 2 Game days!
I'd rather see an honest attempt and wipe by the Dev team then a hax'd lunch break kill to appease the masses.

[Incognito-Dave]

You guys need to remember that this is many different attempts clipped together. Even SE couldn't go out and beat it on the first try. I'm thinking that the multiple use of two-hours wasn't really supposed to be noticed as part of the strategy.

[Canada]

You guys need to remember that this is many different attempts clipped together. Even SE couldn't go out and beat it on the first try. I'm thinking that the multiple use of two-hours wasn't really supposed to be noticed as part of the strategy

First you don't know if they could or couldn't. Come to think of it, we know nothing more at the benefit of this video other than we still can't beat it or stop it from doing anything.

Secondly..............the multiple 2hours wasn't supposed to be noticed? I know cause the didn't zoom in on it at all in the video. Totally didn't at all.

[Rocl]

You guys need to remember that this is many different attempts clipped together. Even SE couldn't go out and beat it on the first try. I'm thinking that the multiple use of two-hours wasn't really supposed to be noticed as part of the strategy.

MANY ATTEMPTS ON THE SAME TWO DAYS. GOTCHA. IT IS TOTALLY PLAUSIBLE FOR THEM TO FIGHT ON THE SAME DAYS, THAT WAY IT WOULDN'T LOOK LIKE IT WAS SEVERAL VIDEOS SPLICED TOGETHER. JEEZ, THOSE DEVELOPERS ALWAYS THINKING AHEAD AND TRYING NOT TO CONFUSE THE PLAYER BASE.

CLEARLY, WE JUST NEED TO POP ABSOLUTE VIRTUE ON ICE DAY WHEN IT'S RIGHT ABOUT TO CHANGE TO THE LIGHTNINGS DAY. IN FACT, WE SHOULD DO THIS SEVERAL TIMES AND RECORD A VIDEO OF IT. YES THAT IS TOTALLY MORE PLAUSIBLE THEN IT BEING ONE ATTEMPT.

I WOULD HAVE NEVER GUESSED THAT TO BEING THE SECRET OF THE GILSELLERS.

[Demosthenes11]

who let the rocl out? :rocl:

[Rocl]

In retrospect, he was being sarcastic. Wasn't he? Wasn't that what the was for? To indicate the joke, right? Tell me that's what it was. Please, tell me. Please, god, tell me that's what it is. I'm serious here, I need you to tell me it was all a big elaborate joke, and you'll all come out of hiding from behind the couch and yell "SURPRISE ROCL! WE GOT YOU!" and we'll laugh and have cake. That's how this story will end, right? Please tell me that's how it will end. Please let this have a happy ending. Don't let this story end in misery! Jump out from behind the couch already! Tell me it was a joke! You're killing me here, leaving me here, thinking that this is a serious response. You can't do this to me, it's inhumane. I'm sure there is some sort of law against this. Stop it. Stop it right now. Tell me this is a joke already, stop leading me on. Don't make me come over there myself! Why won't you say anything? Is it because this too, is part of the joke? Do you know how cruel this joke is? Why do you torment me so? Is it funny to you? Are you getting your jollies out of this? I hope you are, because I'm not. How does it make you feel to know you torment me so? You probably don't even care- you're so goddamn proud of yourself right now. "Oh haha! I fooled Rocl! How glorious am I?" is what you're saying to your mother on the phone this very instant. Your lifelong goal completed, you've done it. Congratulations, now give me back what little left of my sanity I have. Tell me this is some big joke. Tell me your intricate planning leading up to it, be sure to laugh all the way as you carefully pick apart this post and my prior. Let me know which parts of my post were especially funny, because you were in on the joke and I wasn't. Do you think this is grand? Does this really excite you so? Make you so goddamn happy? This is downright cruel, and more severe than the worst punishments. You might as well put me to death, at least my mind would be at ease then. Here? No, it can't be at ease. I can't tell if you're seriously talking to me, or making a mockery of me. Are you pleased with yourself? Have you masturbated enough to this post yet? Are you ready to come forward and admit that this is some kind of amazing joke? Perhaps you'll say it's serious in hopes of me making several more posts like this. Maybe I will, maybe I won't. It's all up to what you do, so tell me now: Is it real? Is it fake? Are you just toying with my emotions? Leading me along on a string through heartache and despair? This is what you want, isn't it? For me to be so torn up and constantly weighing your intelligence versus mine. Could you have fooled me? Are you capable of it? Had I just let my guard down? Maybe I'm slipping? What could it be? It has to be fake, yes it has to be! But what if you're serious, I would never see it coming! But no! I already have, for far too many are serious in this thread, so clearly you are joking, right? No, wait, so many are serious here, so you too, are serious. That's what's happening here isn't it? This is what you wanted. You got it you sick bastard, you got my sanity.

[Tomiko]

You guys need to remember that this is many different attempts clipped together. Even SE couldn't go out and beat it on the first try. I'm thinking that the multiple use of two-hours wasn't really supposed to be noticed as part of the strategy.

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I agree. ( ¯3¯)

[Cairthenn]

In retrospect, he was being sarcastic. Wasn't he? Wasn't that what the was for? To indicate the joke, right? Tell me that's what it was. Please, tell me. Please, god, tell me that's what it is. I'm serious here, I need you to tell me it was all a big elaborate joke, and you'll all come out of hiding from behind the couch and yell "SURPRISE ROCL! WE GOT YOU!" and we'll laugh and have cake. That's how this story will end, right? Please tell me that's how it will end. Please let this have a happy ending. Don't let this story end in misery! Jump out from behind the couch already! Tell me it was a joke! You're killing me here, leaving me here, thinking that this is a serious response. You can't do this to me, it's inhumane. I'm sure there is some sort of law against this. Stop it. Stop it right now. Tell me this is a joke already, stop leading me on. Don't make me come over there myself! Why won't you say anything? Is it because this too, is part of the joke? Do you know how cruel this joke is? Why do you torment me so? Is it funny to you? Are you getting your jollies out of this? I hope you are, because I'm not. How does it make you feel to know you torment me so? You probably don't even care- you're so goddamn proud of yourself right now. "Oh haha! I fooled Rocl! How glorious am I?" is what you're saying to your mother on the phone this very instant. Your lifelong goal completed, you've done it. Congratulations, now give me back what little left of my sanity I have. Tell me this is some big joke. Tell me your intricate planning leading up to it, be sure to laugh all the way as you carefully pick apart this post and my prior. Let me know which parts of my post were especially funny, because you were in on the joke and I wasn't. Do you think this is grand? Does this really excite you so? Make you so goddamn happy? This is downright cruel, and more severe than the worst punishments. You might as well put me to death, at least my mind would be at ease then. Here? No, it can't be at ease. I can't tell if you're seriously talking to me, or making a mockery of me. Are you pleased with yourself? Have you masturbated enough to this post yet? Are you ready to come forward and admit that this is some kind of amazing joke? Perhaps you'll say it's serious in hopes of me making several more posts like this. Maybe I will, maybe I won't. It's all up to what you do, so tell me now: Is it real? Is it fake? Are you just toying with my emotions? Leading me along on a string through heartache and despair? This is what you want, isn't it? For me to be so torn up and constantly weighing your intelligence versus mine. Could you have fooled me? Are you capable of it? Had I just let my guard down? Maybe I'm slipping? What could it be? It has to be fake, yes it has to be! But what if you're serious, I would never see it coming! But no! I already have, for far too many are serious in this thread, so clearly you are joking, right? No, wait, so many are serious here, so you too, are serious. That's what's happening here isn't it? This is what you wanted. You got it you sick bastard, you got my sanity.

This should definitely be the new text behind the wall-o-text crash.

[Kenji]

You guys need to remember that this is many different attempts clipped together. Even SE couldn't go out and beat it on the first try. I'm thinking that the multiple use of two-hours wasn't really supposed to be noticed as part of the strategy.

Hi!

Your AV post included:

( ) Aerns
( ) RDMs meleeing with staves
( ) Ebon panels
( ) Jailor Weapons
( ) A domaru SAM
( ) PLD/NINs with Earth staves
(*) SE devs using multiple 2 hours
( ) day changes
( ) an RDM/THF using diaga and Flee
( ) using 2hours to lock AV 2hours
( ) Making sure all player 2 hours are down around AV
( ) Splitting up meteor/aeroga damage among multiple targets
( ) suggestions about using no WS's or JAs
( ) Nuking according to day
(*) suggesting that this is a very long 8hr+ fight or clips from multiple AV fights
( ) something else about the SE video

Unfortunately:
(*) This has been mentioned before
( ) This is a stupid idea
( ) This AV insight has already been disproven as nonworkable
(*) You just made yourself look like an idiot
(*) You lack reading comprehension

Here's why your post should not have been made:
(*) You didn't read the full thread
( ) This idea is incredibly old - It was brought up 2 years ago
( ) You don't know jack shit about the fight
( ) You've never fought AV
( ) People are trying to actually discuss *new* things here
( ) You aren't currently watching another LS fight AV and giving us play by play action

In addition:
(*) You're trying to talk about things you don't have a clue about
(*) You're cluttering a useful forum with spam
( ) You are not special nor a unique butterfly
(*) Your ideas aren't well-thought out
( ) You haven't tested your ideas yet - Please go do so and come back

In conclusion:
(*) Run. Now. Don't ever look back.
( ) Set yourself on fire and improve the gene pool
(*) Go play Hello Kitty Online
( ) Stare more at Wafik's Captain Planet picture
( ) Turn the light on, walk upstairs, leave the basement and get some sunshine
(*) Make it a point to read up on things in the future before talking about them

Have a nice day!

[Xno Kappa]

You guys need to remember that this is many different attempts clipped together. Even SE couldn't go out and beat it on the first try. I'm thinking that the multiple use of two-hours wasn't really supposed to be noticed as part of the strategy.

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I agree. ( ¯3¯)

hey HEY!
I see what you did there...