Strategies to Defeat AV (All Theories/Ideas Here)

[Ramses]

God won't save you from a benediction plus the whole manafont and meteor spam all over again.

AV won't be debunked.

First of all, AV hardly ever uses benediction and may not use it all at lower hp for all we know. Also, nobody knows that he will ever spam manafont at this point.

[Titanss]

God won't save you from a benediction plus the whole manafont and meteor spam all over again.

AV won't be debunked.

First of all, AV hardly ever uses benediction and may not use it all at lower hp for all we know. Also, nobody knows that he will ever spam manafont at this point.

Well are you and your ls testing any of these things or are you just talking out of your ass?

[Max™]

God won't save you from a benediction plus the whole manafont and meteor spam all over again.

AV won't be debunked.

First of all, AV hardly ever uses benediction and may not use it all at lower hp for all we know. Also, nobody knows that he will ever spam manafont at this point.

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/1...acepalmoy9.jpg

[Ramses]

God won't save you from a benediction plus the whole manafont and meteor spam all over again.

AV won't be debunked.

First of all, AV hardly ever uses benediction and may not use it all at lower hp for all we know. Also, nobody knows that he will ever spam manafont at this point.

Well are you and your ls testing any of these things or are you just talking out of your ass?

Would if we could. AV has not popped for us in at least last 6 JoL, if not longer. Can't fight him if he doesn't pop. Awhile ago I typed out a long, detailed strategy for AV on my ls website. I took every move he does and every aspect of the fight and explained how to counter it. AV has just been a no show. You cannot treat AV like other hnms. You can power through most hnms, you need to be more defensive for AV. This is why he hasn't been beaten as most players keep trying what works on other hnms, thinking there is some miracle enfeeble to AV instead of using new strategies. That being said, it still takes near flawless execution. It is very difficult to get 20+ people to not make any mistakes. Add that most people won't even try to fight AV and he probably won't be beaten any time soon.

[Thiefami]

Defeating AV requires 36 rotating summoners using thunderspark, one outside party to kite the wyvvs. kthnx.

[SHADOWMAGE]

God won't save you from a benediction plus the whole manafont and meteor spam all over again.

AV won't be debunked.

First of all, AV hardly ever uses benediction and may not use it all at lower hp for all we know. Also, nobody knows that he will ever spam manafont at this point.

Well are you and your ls testing any of these things or are you just talking out of your ass?

I make my ass talk for me do I get a cookie?

[Sagacious Sundi]

throw stygian ash at AV

I laughed.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6714&p=131835#p131835

Is that your first post?
This must be a sign.

[Titanss]

God won't save you from a benediction plus the whole manafont and meteor spam all over again.

AV won't be debunked.

First of all, AV hardly ever uses benediction and may not use it all at lower hp for all we know. Also, nobody knows that he will ever spam manafont at this point.

Well are you and your ls testing any of these things or are you just talking out of your ass?

I make my ass talk for me do I get a cookie?

No you get cake.

[Psion]

AV can be killed by an army of rabbit familiars!

(joke, but would be epic to see.)

[SHADOWMAGE]

God won't save you from a benediction plus the whole manafont and meteor spam all over again.

AV won't be debunked.

First of all, AV hardly ever uses benediction and may not use it all at lower hp for all we know. Also, nobody knows that he will ever spam manafont at this point.

Well are you and your ls testing any of these things or are you just talking out of your ass?

I make my ass talk for me do I get a cookie?

No you get cake.

To be honest, I've seen RNG strategy. I don't think any of the shadowbind thing will work. I lol the fact that you said AV hardly uses benediction.

[Ramses]

[quote=SHADOWMAGE]

God won't save you from a benediction plus the whole manafont and meteor spam all over again.

AV won't be debunked.

First of all, AV hardly ever uses benediction and may not use it all at lower hp for all we know. Also, nobody knows that he will ever spam manafont at this point.

Well are you and your ls testing any of these things or are you just talking out of your ass?

I make my ass talk for me do I get a cookie?

No you get cake.

To be honest, I've seen RNG strategy. I don't think any of the shadowbind thing will work. I lol the fact that you said AV hardly uses benediction.[/quote:5lepa4ov]

I also said the strategy needs to be executed properly. No strategy works if you screw it up. And AV doesn't use benediction that much. There have been 30+ hour fights where he didn't even use it once.

[Titanss]

So Ramsus let me get this straight your strategy is (and I'm not being condescending or busting balls) RNG's Shadowbind when AV manafronts and the alliance gets out of range, then his tier IV spells the tanks pop fealty(?) unsure on this and dmg it with smn's and blm's(?) rinse ,repeat . Fix me as you see fit . I want this thing brought down as well but there's some holes here. I myself have fought AV and wiped back in the day(many times) and didn't learn shit but how to loose xp.

Edit: If your and your ls want a strategy to try this is as good as it gets :

http://kanican.livejournal.com/tag/hnm+fights%21

[Devilace]

ok, dont really know if this has been said before, it probably has.. but the search function didnt like search for AV + AF2....

but anyways, being a bit bored i decided to look at the AV video again, and the only thing i could notice is that theres atleast 1 BLM, RDM and WHM wearing full AF2 fighting AV. Maybe the secret is not the using of 2hrs.. thats just there to put us off? though AV does use chainspell which seems to rule this out stopping those 2hrs completly, but may reduce the chance of them being used.
There also seems to be a pattern of what 2hr AV uses, the first is Soul Voice, immediately after a brd sings ballad, and the 2nd is chainspell immediately after one of the RDM hits AV with earth staff, the third is call wyvern which is too far away to see wat happened to AV right before, and it seems the hume female DRG doesnt do anything immediately before AV 2hrs, this obviously isnt enough to prove anything, and its probably completely wrong, but its just what i noticed from the video, and may throw up a few new ideas.

[Aldaris]

it seems the hume female DRG doesnt do anything immediately before AV 2hrs, this obviously isnt enough to prove anything, and its probably completely wrong, but its just what i noticed from the video, and may throw up a few new ideas.

Dude...You must NOT know what Impact Stream does, do you?

P.S. Your post makes me want to kill my pylons...

[Purrrfect]

You can't fix something that's broken with spit and prayer.

/offtopic
So religion won't fix shit? /shocked
Whole lot of ppl didn't get the memo.^^

[Maxxthepenguin]

/offtopic
So religion won't fix shit? /shocked
Whole lot of ppl didn't get the memo.^^

Wow, you're cool, smart, and revolutionary. Your ideas are unique and enticing.

[Linktri]

There also seems to be a pattern of what 2hr AV uses, the first is Soul Voice, immediately after a brd sings ballad, and the 2nd is chainspell immediately after one of the RDM hits AV with earth staff, the third is call wyvern which is too far away to see wat happened to AV right before, and it seems the hume female DRG doesnt do anything immediately before AV 2hrs, this obviously isnt enough to prove anything, and its probably completely wrong, but its just what i noticed from the video, and may throw up a few new ideas.

Old idea. JA reaction and spell reaction was already thought of and I think it was disproven.

[ismarc]

Old idea. JA reaction and spell reaction was already thought of and I think it was disproven.

Wasn't proven, wasn't fully disproven. It was proven that it doesn't necessarily have an immediate reaction at that instant, (as in, the following statement was proven false "every time you use sentinal it uses Manafont as the next two hour"). It was also proven that it's decidedly hard to hold AV and stay alive to test it.

[Caerllion]

Okay, this may seem simple but just think about it.

AV uses some 2hrs in multiples of 2. Like chainspell then manafont.

In the SE vid, they had multiple rdm and pld tanks, probably to spread out aga damage.

Blms only nuked the element of the day, and kept spamming the different tiers. (Aparently weakens it)

In the SE vid, they also spammed sleep and dispel.???

In 2006 SE released a statement saying that the more JoL babies you kill, the weaker AV is... most people burn through JoL like paper. At least my old LS and other LS's I've seen do. I've never seen JoL go over an hour i think. Most kills are around 30-40mins.

In the SE vid, they didn't drag it to the edge of the circle. They fought and killed it right where it popped, and surprise! AV pop. Maybe this makes AV pop higher %?

So just some possible solutions:
-Perhaps using 2hrs after AV uses a 2hr stops the 2nd 2hr from taking place? Ex: stopping manafont from taking place after chainspell. (Maybe has a chance to reset 2hrs?)
-Or, AV might only use the 2hrs of members of the party. This I heard a long time ago, so not sure if it's true, but it could make sense. To be careful, just keep whms outside of the party, also nins.
-Drag JoL out as long as possible?... sadly.

I'm not sure what else, 1:30 AM and it's been 4months since I've killed JoL and before that about 8 months.

Killed JoL 13 or 14 times, and have had AV only pop twice out of that, needless to say both were tragic zerg/wipes.

But yea, take what you can from that.

[Guitarman]

AV popped because the dev team told it too. they were makin a video after all, numbnuts.
The rest of your ideas were mentioned 100x over in this thread.

This thread keeps coming back again and again like a bad case of herpes. Someone needs to take it out back and shoot it. Put it out of its misery.