Strategies to Defeat AV (All Theories/Ideas Here)

[Devilace]

Dude...You must NOT know what Impact Stream does, do you?

P.S. Your post makes me want to kill my pylons...

you should really read the whole post and know wat your talking about before u go and post a stupid reply.

i said the THIRD 2hr AV uses (the one from a distance, viewed from mages area), the drg is standing by the brd in the frontish left area of your screen. your refering to the fourth 2hr which it uses impact stream slightly before then 2hrs and then dies

[isladar]

you should really read the whole post and know wat your talking about before u go and post a stupid reply.

THIS IS WHAT AV HAST WROUGHT, BG. LOOK YE UPON THIS AND DESPAIR.

[Theenabler]

In the SE vid, they also spammed sleep and dispel.???

This. Is why i don't read AV forums.

[Titanss]

Yes I'm getting really tired of people posting stupid shit like that, it's happened already too many times in the thread. IT'S A RDM TANK FOR FUCK SAKE LRN2PLY!

[Surealistic]

This. Is why i don't read AV forums.

; ; whats wrong with our forums

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[Theenabler]

lolDalm Whm, thats whats wrong, sheesh

[Cream Soda]

Try a 100-man buffer burn

[Theenabler]

The secret to AV is ur cracked up guard skill

[Chreman]

If there is any merit to the JA reaction, is there any documentation from the players who used a low level job to sac pull him to keep him up? You'd think with the amount of deaths that occured we would have seen consistent 2-hour uses, unless it is in fact a JA response and not a melee stab (as suggested from the RDM's swing).

Also, my limited understanding of the situation ftw, but from what I recall the dev team pulled and almost immediately blew multiple 2hours. Yadda yadda maybe AV only uses a particular 2 hour if the first aggro producing thing from a job isn't a 2 hour. . . probably been suggested before and if it has enjoy your page of QQing.

[Jaceot]

Whatever happened to the theory that AV used a 2 hour ever X period of time, and that using a 2 hour after AV 2 hour'd increased X time by Y seconds. Didn't some people actually have evidence that his 2 hours were getting farther and farther apart?

[Kaylia]

My favorite part about the "2 hours theory" is that when you test something, you got to wait two hours before your next attempt. How are we suposed to find anything this way, unless the impact is immediate and obvious...

[spooky]

My favorite part about the "2 hours theory" is that when you test something, you got to wait two hours before your next attempt. How are we suposed to find anything this way, unless the impact is immediate and obvious...

An army of CORs obviously.

[Cog]

AV uses SPs on a timer, not as a reaction to JA or WS. to prove this, fight it yourself and dont use any WS or JA, you will see how it has no effect on his normal A.I.

AV will always use a SP when it can, and it has a chance of using any one at random, every minute -or- sixty seconds after the last SP wears off. the only viable theory to work with includes using player 2hrs at the same moment AV's dustcloud (SP animation) appears, to perhaps and somehow lower the frequency, duration, and probability of AV using those 2hrs himself.

now to test this take a 0-duration SP like Call Wyvern, that AV should use at the beginning if not first thing. you must have people ready to use their 2hr, as in JA menu open ready to press enter on Manafont. fight begins, wyverns called, 4-6 players use 2hr. IF more than three people used their 2hr at the right time, AV shouldn't use another SP for over 90 seconds, as opposed to normal ~60.

this is all just theory though, the time for losing exp testing X or Y has passed. this monster has to be taken down with skill and timing. AV uses SPs ONE AT A TIME the whole fight anyway, nobody has seen the multi-SP AI since it was glitched.

[spooky]

I ask Dumbass Questions and get Smartass Answers.

lmfao

[Stiker]

AV uses SPs on a timer, not as a reaction to JA or WS. to prove this, fight it yourself and dont use any WS or JA, you will see how it has no effect on his normal A.I.

AV will always use a SP when it can, and it has a chance of using any one at random, every minute -or- sixty seconds after the last SP wears off. the only viable theory to work with includes using player 2hrs at the same moment AV's dustcloud (SP animation) appears, to perhaps and somehow lower the frequency, duration, and probability of AV using those 2hrs himself.

now to test this take a 0-duration SP like Call Wyvern, that AV should use at the beginning if not first thing. you must have people ready to use their 2hr, as in JA menu open ready to press enter on Manafont. fight begins, wyverns called, 4-6 players use 2hr. IF more than three people used their 2hr at the right time, AV shouldn't use another SP for over 90 seconds, as opposed to normal ~60.

this is all just theory though, the time for losing exp testing X or Y has passed. this monster has to be taken down with skill and timing. AV uses SPs ONE AT A TIME the whole fight anyway, nobody has seen the multi-SP AI since it was glitched.

Just wow...besides the fact you have no clue how AV behaves (lol @ AV 2hr timers...), burning 2hrs to try to get 30 seconds of a "no 2hr grace period". Great idea!

[fndragon]

Just wow...besides the fact you have no clue how AV behaves (lol @ AV 2hr timers...), burning 2hrs to try to get 30 seconds of a "no 2hr grace period". Great idea!

This has always been the problem at hand; Nobody can account for how the Dev Team restores their 2-hour Job Abilities. The two camps are:

1) Cheating
2) Some other method that we haven't seen yet.

And since there's usually a graphical accompaniment to getting your Job Abilities back (e.g. Goblin Dice, Restore chests in Limbus), and we see none of these happening in the videos, then most people would agree the Dev Team was cheating.

However, my pet theory (everybody's got a theory, make sure to feed it and watch it grow!) is that virtue demands sacrifice; You have to use and then manually remove your two-hour abilities in order to satiate it. Most two-hour abilities can be toggled off like Protect or Utsusemi. The only corroborating evidence I have for this theory is that the DRG in the videos often doesn't have a wyvern out, even after using Call Wyvern several times, and the other people who two-hour seem to stand still after using their two hour, and do not seem to take any advantage from them. (No BLM's doing Manafont -> Free MP nukes, etc). Instant Two-Hour abilities (Bene, EES, etc) don't really count, but we can tell that each two-hour ability causes AV to increase the time, very marginally, to its next two-hour. Perhaps it's this small, 10-15 second window which is inserted after a player two-hours that AV checks the state of the player who used their 2-hour, to see if it was toggled off manually.

Like I said, it's just a pet theory, and I don't have the means to test it immediately. I'm not entirely sure of what will happen if those tests are passed, as it isn't clear what the result of toggling off your two-hour ability manually will do to AV. However, we can't see the dev team doing anything else abnormal outside of not taking advantage of their two-hour abilities. There is one instance where we see a single hit of Blood Weapon going off, and an instance where we can see a DRG's wyvern out, but aside from those, it looks like the dev team doesn't take advantage at all from their two hour abilities.

[Cog]

Just wow...besides the fact you have no clue how AV behaves (lol @ AV 2hr timers...), burning 2hrs to try to get 30 seconds of a "no 2hr grace period". Great idea!

lol you have no better suggestions so the theory still stands, and i won't be testing this, i'm a MMORPG player not a scientist. i'll be trying a strategy that actually has a chance of working.

please mister expert describe AVs behaviour better for us, we're waiting patiently.

[Stiker]

lol you have no better suggestions so the theory still stands, and i won't be testing this, i'm a MMORPG player not a scientist. i'll be trying a strategy that actually has a chance of working.

please mister expert describe AVs behaviour better for us, we're waiting patiently.

First off, your thinking was flawed on AV "starting with a 2hr like Call Wyvren. When my LS fought (read: got raped by) AV, he kindly tore us to pieces with nothing more than stabs to the face, WS and Aeorga spells.

The first two hour he ever used was about 10 minutes well after he popped. We had people popping up randomly and once I got up, I dropped ally, waited for everyone to die and I went and soloed him for shits and giggles.

I popped Invincible and used several different JAs and even WS across the 1-2 minutes I stayed alive. After I died, he used Call Wyvren.

The whole point is that your thinking that AV immediately starts off with a 2hr is highly flawed. I don't claim to know everything about him, but actually reading the threads and actually seeing some things myself let me know you have no clue what you are talking about.

The main point of my post was that suggesting the use of job abilities with a 2 hour recast will buy you 30 extra seconds is not the "eureka!" moment that needs to be found. You are deluding yourself if you think AV can be taken down with the help of one (or a few more) 30 second windows.

...thought you would've learned your lesson from your last AV crap spewing thread you made...

[Theenabler]

Plus he's combined 2h's in succession before such as chainspell and manafont so ur idea that they are 30 seconds apart and can never connect with eachother is flawed.

[Cog]

lol yeah AV rapes everyone. if a group (any alliance) can hold hate on their tanks for one minute, im sure they will see AV 2hr. AV wandering around wiping people at random, claimed and perhaps unclaimed depending, might not use any 2hrs if there's nobody on the hate list when his "timer" goes off.
your observations are valid but i think they fit in with the pattern and back up my theory.

i don't recommend testing any 2-hr theories, my point was there's evidence backing up the 2-hr theory as ridiculous as using your 2hrs for nothing might be. your own testimony "I popped Invincible and used several different JAs and even WS across the 1-2 minutes I stayed alive. After I died, he used Call Wyvren." would suggest that invincible delayed his call wyvern a bit.

no eureka until we find a reset for 2-hour abilities. SE slapped us across the face with that fact 6 months ago.