Dear Ganiman, (op updated)

[Taj]

Included in those merchandise costs were shipping fees, including overseas shipping to Europe and elsewhere. I took those numbers directly from the report we handed over to Wikia.

Again, you are full of shit. Leasing servers does not involving shipping anything to anywhere. You are paying to use a server that the leasing company in question already has built and installed at a data center. That is what leasing means.

I think he was talking about shipping the T-shirts/mousepads.

Oh right, how could I forget about the diamond mousepads.

[Gere]

Included in those merchandise costs were shipping fees, including overseas shipping to Europe and elsewhere. I took those numbers directly from the report we handed over to Wikia.

Again, you are full of shit. Leasing servers does not involving shipping anything to anywhere. You are paying to use a server that the leasing company in question already has built and installed at a data center. That is what leasing means.

I think he was talking about shipping the T-shirts/mousepads.

Oh right, how could I forget about the diamond mousepads.

You don't believe that 200 people donated $25?

[Shuemue]

If Taj is so badly wrong about your hosting costs, just scan an invoice or two and shut him up. It'd take you 5 minutes.

[Taj]

[quote=Gere]

Included in those merchandise costs were shipping fees, including overseas shipping to Europe and elsewhere. I took those numbers directly from the report we handed over to Wikia.

Again, you are full of shit. Leasing servers does not involving shipping anything to anywhere. You are paying to use a server that the leasing company in question already has built and installed at a data center. That is what leasing means.

I think he was talking about shipping the T-shirts/mousepads.

Oh right, how could I forget about the diamond mousepads.

You don't believe that 200 people donated $25?[/quote:1591b]

See Rydiu's earlier comment, you can get 350 mousepads for like $500.

[Mierin]

I stand by my earlier statements.
For everyone else, if and when any substantive numbers are posted, they will not be posted here, but rather on the wiki. I've been directed to inform you all that the proper place for these discussions is on the wiki forums, not a forum unaffiliated with FFXIclopedia.

[Taj]

I stand by my earlier statement quoted in Fellso's paste from our IRC chat.

For everyone else, if and when any substantive numbers are posted, they will not be posted here, but rather on the wiki. I've been directed to inform you all that the proper place for these discussions is on the wiki forums, not a forum unaffiliated with FFXIclopedia.

The point of having these discussions on BG is that you lack influence/power here. (See: Weapon skills can't be paralyzed, page locked from editing, etc.)

[Gere]

See Rydiu's earlier comment, you can get 350 mousepads for like $500.

So you don't believe that 1050 people ordered mousepads (plus the cost of shipping the mousepads to Ganiman or whoever and then shipping them individually to 1050 people)?

[divisortheory]

Hmmm ...

Well, I'm sorry you don't believe our costs statement, but they are what they are.

Edit: Mierin & Co., please don't reply with "You're wrong", you'll be wasting your time. Tell your buddy Ganiman to come over and post some bills, or at least a link to your leasing company/plan. plz&ty!

Like I said, why should I believe a god damned word you say when you can't even post bills as proof of your expenses?

Likewise, why should he care what you do or don't believe, and why should he feel the need to respond to your demands when in the grand scheme of things they are meaningless and won't change anything?

The claims of fraud in this thread are laughable at best, can you show me any signed documents? And since when was FFXIclopedia a publi company that required earnings reports and financial invoices released to the public? lol

Are you going to boycott the wiki and bring it down with negative publicity or something? LOL. Here's an idea, you start and everyone else follow.






Didn't think so... I'll look for you in the list of people who entered the Wings of the Goddess giveaway contest down the line though.

[Taj]

See Rydiu's earlier comment, you can get 350 mousepads for like $500.

So you don't believe that 1050 people ordered mousepads (plus the cost of shipping the mousepads to Ganiman or whoever and then shipping them individually to 1050 people)?

If everyone who donated donated enough money to receive a mousepad (9000/25), they would only need to purchase 360 mousepads.

Didn't think so... I'll look for you in the list of people who entered the Wings of the Goddess giveaway contest down the line though.

Why would I enter the giveaway when I can torrent the ISO and buy the registration codes through PlayOnline?

[Shuemue]

I stand by my earlier statement quoted in Fellso's paste from our IRC chat.

For everyone else, if and when any substantive numbers are posted, they will not be posted here, but rather on the wiki. I've been directed to inform you all that the proper place for these discussions is on the wiki forums, not a forum unaffiliated with FFXIclopedia.

The point of having these discussions on BG is that you lack influence/power here. (See: Weapon skills can't be paralyzed, page locked from editing, etc.)

Bingo, we're on an even keel here. We're just humans with an equal lack of power.

Basically your track record suggests you'd moderate us heavily on your own site.

[divisortheory]

See Rydiu's earlier comment, you can get 350 mousepads for like $500.

Quick, how much does it cost to ship 350 mousepads internationally?

[Taj]

See Rydiu's earlier comment, you can get 350 mousepads for like $500.

Quick, how much does it cost to ship 350 mousepads internationally?

Over TWO THOUSAND dollars.

[Gere]

See Rydiu's earlier comment, you can get 350 mousepads for like $500.

So you don't believe that 1050 people ordered mousepads (plus the cost of shipping the mousepads to Ganiman or whoever and then shipping them individually to 1050 people)?

If everyone who donated donated enough money to receive a mousepad (9000/25), they would only need to purchase 360 mousepads.

Touche however no one said they were good at price shopping (considering they supposedly paid $500 per server), for all we know they bought 'em off cafe press.

Still Taj's argument is sounding stronger, I do hope Ganiman posts the figures either here or on the ffxiclopedia forums.

Quite frankly, it sucks to have this sort of division in the FF community and I'd like it to be cleared up.

[Ryko]

See Rydiu's earlier comment, you can get 350 mousepads for like $500.

Quick, how much does it cost to ship 350 mousepads internationally?

Over TWO THOUSAND dollars.

Prediction: "Nuh uh ; ;"

And it's downright hilarious how they act as if stuff was addressed on the wiki forums anyway, it wasn't, all that happened was ganiman throwing a hissy fit and ignoring the question completely when someone (seriously) brought it up.

[divisortheory]

protip: embezzling $2,000 after getting bought by a major corporation makes a lot of sense. really, it does.

[Ryko]

Nuh uh! You gonna keep side stepping it when someone replies relevantly? No wonder you love working there. You make a claim, someone debunks it, then you act like it was never said.

[divisortheory]

Nuh uh! You gonna keep side stepping it when someone replies relevantly? No wonder you love working there. You make a claim, someone debunks it, then you act like it was never said.

Who's working where?

[Taj]

Nuh uh! You gonna keep side stepping it when someone replies relevantly? No wonder you love working there. You make a claim, someone debunks it, then you act like it was never said.

Who's working where?

Their initial attempts to communicate with us about what they can offer could have been handled better, but after hearing them out and what they can bring to the table, I have a very different perspective on Wikia. Believe us when we say that we wouldn't do anything that we felt would hurt this site or the community in any way. Wikia has a mission, and we're very excited to be a part of it.

[Ryko]

And yet another retarded semantic argument, let's pretend for a second that I didn't mean you take a paycheck from them.

"Hey, way to either a) suck at checking prices or b) pocket the rest of the cash after you spent a lot of it stupidly on retarded trinkets"

"Hey we addressed it on the board, here are the links"

"Neither link addressed it at all"

"Well nevermind that, if you want to discuss it, we'll do it on the wiki boards."

"Kind of like how you discussed where the money went there?"

"Nuh uh"

[divisortheory]

"Kind of like how you discussed where the money went there?"

The usage of money already spent was discussed. The future usage of money not yet spent was also discussed. If you want financial statements, then let me play a song for you