Dear Ganiman, (op updated)

[Ryko]

"Kind of like how you discussed where the money went there?"

The usage of money already spent was discussed. The future usage of money not yet spent was also discussed. If you want financial statements, then let me play a song for you

So your answer is that you had more than enough money to lease 3 servers like you intended to, even with money left over to buy lolmousepads and t shirts and you were over your head because of shipping costs, right?

Nuh uh? Pull up another irrelevant link or non-sequitur, something tells me you're gonna need the dancing practice if you want to get anywhere over there.

[divisortheory]

"Kind of like how you discussed where the money went there?"

The usage of money already spent was discussed. The future usage of money not yet spent was also discussed. If you want financial statements, then let me play a song for you

So your answer is that you had more than enough money to lease 3 servers like you intended to, even with money left over to buy lolmousepads and t shirts and you were over your head because of shipping costs, right?

Me? I never had any money. Regardless, you're making my answer too complicated. My answer is simply

[Ryko]

Me? I never had any money. Regardless, you're making my answer too complicated. My answer is simply

Even you can't be that retarded, and I keep my skepticism regarding that fairly low.

[aurik]

And my answer is

As soon as you start taking donations, you are beholden to be transparent with what you do with the money. 10 pages and no real numbers isn't transparency.

[Toxictaru]

Hi Mierin, let me post some stuff about how you "trust" Charitwo:

(Mierin) So ganiman and senoska (leader of Blue Gartr) agreed to have one person appointed by the BG community to become an admin to replace Nynaeve who was seen as abusive of her authority.
[Toxictaru] they're more subtle about it than say KI
[Toxictaru] and its suddenly being associated with the wiki
(Mierin) Divisor has actually been a good admin. He really doesn't take many stands when it comes to administration. He helps more with editing, style and information.
[Toxictaru] well, it seems an awful lot like charitwo came with divisor, and hes been decently problematic from the way I've seen and read
(Mierin) We rejected people like Charitwo, wafikasura and senoska as Admins
(Mierin) because they are drama - whores or people we wouldn't want as admins.
(Mierin) Yeah, we don't like Charitwo
(Mierin) We've been "lecturing" him too.
.........
[Toxictaru] and I'm hearing about it now
(Mierin) He thinks if he makes a lot of edits, we'll make him an admin. But it also matters how he conducts himself. Divisortheory is very respectful and thoughtful. He seeks consensus and trys to fit the mold. Charitwo just runs off on his owns and acts like he's in charge when he doesn't know what he's doing.
(Mierin) As I said, I haven't really been on since last Friday.
[Toxictaru] yeah, thats exactly whta I mean about charitwo
(Mierin) I agree with you on Char. None of the admins like him.

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(Mierin) I don't dislike you two. I think you're both very knowledgeable and such
(Mierin) I just wish you'd be a little more tolerant of others.
[Toxictaru] I'm generally very tolerant
[Toxictaru] but when I see the same people saying the same shit
[Toxictaru] doing the same things
[Toxictaru] and sounding as stupid as ever
[Toxictaru] it just gets to me
(Mierin) Nothing you say or do is going to stop them from being stupid.

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(Mierin) I think Poof still lurks. But her leaving wasn't exactly nice. I was not happy with that.
(Mierin) Zero on the other hand, was abusive in return. He got what he deserved.

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[Toxictaru] But just realize that the Warrior/Rampage thread and the camp stealing thread were BOTH specifically about people like Arcanis, and probably greenthumb, although I haven't been on midgard, so I dunno
(Mierin) Which reminds me ... on a totally different note ... I think you'll find this funny
[Toxictaru] Oh?
(Mierin) Charitwo sent me a Friendlist invite in game
(Mierin) I didn't want him on my friendlist, but I didn't really want him to receive the rejection
[Toxictaru] Hah.
(Mierin) So I just left it there for like 2 weeks
(Mierin) Finally, when he said he was taking his break, I thought I might try and sneak the rejection in
(Mierin) I got a PM yesterday titled: "you hate me "
[Toxictaru] LOL
(Mierin) And a screenshot of my rejection

Please, Mierin, don't come in here and fucking defend Charitwo. You REMOVED Patroller access from 4 users because of HIS actions, not fear of vandalism from me. If you were honestly afraid of vandalism, you'd have outright banned all of Goodfellow AFB and SuddenLink in Texas. You know I'm not stupid, and have full ability to make other accounts and disguise myself if I truly felt like vandalizing the wiki.

You may not have promoted my wife because of me, but you outright banned her from contributing to the site because you had some irrational fear. How the hell does my vandalizing the wiki help MY case in any way?

Please be aware, people, that for the most part, the administration came after me for using caps to emphasize words (as I've done twice in this thread already). This was enough to have my posts reported and (to quote Mierin) "censured" as a result.

As for divisortheory. You outright stated that you've barely been around and not talked to the administration in months, so how the hell can you possibly have anything to add to this discussion? If you haven't been around and involved, in any way, with the discussions that were had between myself and the actual administration, what do you have? You have a few posts on the forums there from me. I'm not fucking holier than thou, I'm just smarter than 90% of the general population on the FFXIclopedia. I'm also not one to argue that I'm always fucking right. If I am right, I'll argue my point, but if someone proves me wrong, I fully admit and accept that, and have numerous times.

I strongly disagree with Wikia agreeing with the go-ahead on my ban... and if they did, I hope they got the FULL fucking story. I hope you told them how the administration and their friends have continued to attempt to make me look bad, have banned productive users (You can call my contributions insignificant, but you can blow me, because I've done a LOT of visible work on the wiki). I hope you banned GT on top of it, because he is, by his own admission, worse than I am.

What kills me, Mierin, is that you sit here and tell me that it isn't any of my business that you were laid off, but you made a big deal about me INSULTING you when I said you had been less visible around the wiki, like I HAD to know that you were fired and needed to be more fucking sensitive. You're a prick. To be honest, I hope you and gani choke on your own gigantic fucking egos and die. I went to Jimmy Wales because he does have more control over the FFXIclopedia than you're willing to let on, and I had a fucking problem with the people he is leaving in power, so I raised a concern. Your actions against me as a result is like killing a person who reported a crime to shut them up.

I don't really care, all told. I was posting here to let some people know that there is a lot of bullshit going on. I'm not innocent, and I fucking admitted that numerous times, I was OPEN about the fact that I was surprised I hadn't been banned from the forums. But it is depressing that you'd go ahead and ban not one but two productive users because you were too fucking afraid that someone would ruin "your" work (as if you ever fucking did anything). Whine whine whine, Wikipedia won't let us keep our entry about FFXIclopedia, whine whine whine, we're never going to sell the wiki, especially not to Wikia.... Oh hey guys, we sold the wiki to Wikia. You guys look like fucking idiots. I'm done with this shit, if anyone wants to fucking carry on, go for it, I don't care. I'll devote my time to other projects. If you want to compare my edit count and stuff I've done to other productive users, I want you to fucking realize that I DID have access to my wifes login information, and OFTEN made edits on her name, or we combined our work together and posted them as her. And lets not forget who was the first person to jump on the French wiki project and laid out most of the groundwork.

Enough of this.

[divisortheory]

I'm not fucking holier than thou, I'm just smarter than 90% of the general population on the FFXIclopedia.

sigwwwwwworthy

[jaryk]

I would imagine that all of this could have been avoided by a few things, #1 if ffxiclopedia had made an announcement about what was happening as well as where the donations had gone and the future of the rest of the money would go rather than avoiding the subject until a majority of people became angry. #2 Provide a copy of server costs, it's not hard, when I pay for hosting I get an email with a monthly bill, you can't tell me you don't have the paperwork to prove it. #3 A huge apology, at no time have I seen a real, "hey we were planning do A, B came up, we realize we've taken a lot of people's money, we're trying to remedy, we're truly sorry and we'll see what reparations can be made". I'm not going to speak for what their server costs were or should have been, I will say that the burden of proof is on them at this point we've seen a few weak statements and arguments... basically abuse to the people that donated the majority of money. Obviously the group running this had zero business background nor did they have any sort of financial plan, but that doesn't take away from people feeling cheated.

[Ryko]

I'm not fucking holier than thou, I'm just smarter than 90% of the general population on the FFXIclopedia.

sigwwwwwworthy

Nuh uh.

[Mierin]

1. My opinion of Charitwo has changed. That happens sometimes. Let us also realize, I phrased much of what I said based upon who I was talking to. I was trying to get you to calm down and stop being so abusive.
2. Your post proved everything I said about you, thank you.

[divisortheory]

at no time have I seen a real, "hey we were planning do A, B came up, we realize we've taken a lot of people's money, we're trying to remedy, we're truly sorry and we'll see what reparations can be made".

Odd, I saw it multiple times in this thread.

[Rocl]

wait someone thought senoska ran these forums?

[Ryko]

1. My opinion of Charitwo has changed. That happens sometimes.
2. Your post proved everything I said about you, thank you.

So uh, the links you posted regarding the topic being addressed didn't address them at all. Just thought that if your intention of requesting that people bring it to the wiki boards instead wasn't just a cheap ploy to just ban and squelch anyone who would dare oppose you that you should know.

Odd, I saw it multiple times in this thread.

What you see and don't see is about as fickle as a fart in the wind though so really who cares what you saw.

[jaryk]

at no time have I seen a real, "hey we were planning do A, B came up, we realize we've taken a lot of people's money, we're trying to remedy, we're truly sorry and we'll see what reparations can be made".

Odd, I saw it multiple times in this thread.

I say some reactive bullshit, I never once saw a genuine true to date action or apology. It doesn't count when you've already pissed off the majority of your userbase.

[divisortheory]

And lets not forget who was the first person to jump on the French wiki project and laid out most of the groundwork.

Remember that time you were bashing that native French person about their usage of the French language saying it was not correct French? Good times, good times.

P.S. are you actually going to say anything about the donations or just keep ranting because you're pissed Ganiman sold the wiki and made money but you didn't, and in the end you got banned even though you admitted you should have been banned?

[Toxictaru]

I felt like tossing this in for fun, actual quote, we were talking about Charitwo:

(ganiman) yeah he does
(ganiman) he acts like he is better than the admins
[Toxictaru] seriously >.>
[Toxictaru] did you see his title on BG forums?
(ganiman) when he gets a ban for a week he might come down a notch
(ganiman) yes
[Toxictaru] hehe
(ganiman) BG is gay anyway

This was a reference to Charitwo's title here "Master of Wiki".

[Mierin]

1. My opinion of Charitwo has changed. That happens sometimes.
2. Your post proved everything I said about you, thank you.

So uh, the links you posted regarding the topic being addressed didn't address them at all. Just thought that if your intention of requesting that people bring it to the wiki boards instead wasn't just a cheap ploy to just ban and squelch anyone who would dare oppose you that you should know

You all post too fast. My post may be under yours, but it was in direct response to Toxic not you. Although I disagree with what you said, I've got nothing against you.

[Toxictaru]

And lets not forget who was the first person to jump on the French wiki project and laid out most of the groundwork.

Remember that time you were bashing that native French person about their usage of the French language saying it was not correct French? Good times, good times.

And you didn't see when that user sent me messages in private explaining that he didn't understand the reference, but found the example that I was "bashing" him for (it was the usage of a word, that didn't work the same way in France as it did in Quebec). Especially after I found another French user using the thing he was arguing didn't exist. He admitted he was wrong, and we worked it out from there. Kthx.

[divisortheory]

Just thought that if your intention of requesting that people bring it to the wiki boards instead wasn't just a cheap ploy to just ban and squelch anyone who would dare oppose you that you should know.

Only two people have been banned in the entire history of the FFXIclopedia forums. What a surprise that both of them posted in this thread.

[Toxictaru]

And lets not forget who was the first person to jump on the French wiki project and laid out most of the groundwork.

Remember that time you were bashing that native French person about their usage of the French language saying it was not correct French? Good times, good times.

P.S. are you actually going to say anything about the donations or just keep ranting because you're pissed Ganiman sold the wiki and made money but you didn't, and in the end you got banned even though you admitted you should have been banned?

I already addressed that elsewhere, open your eyes and read. Thanks.

[Khamsin]

protip: embezzling $2,000 after getting bought by a major corporation makes a lot of sense. really, it does.

It's really easy to do, actually. All you have to do is be careless.

I haven't read the entire thread, so I don't know if anyone accused the people at ffxiclopedia of intentionally embezzling money or committing fraud. However, intentional or not, being careless with that money and not treating it seriously is not an excuse to just pretend it doesn't exist. It does not relieve them of the responsibilty they have to the public to show them where that money went/is going.

It does no good to say "Why would they embezzle such a small amount of money? Why would they risk fraud over this when they just got bought out?" if such things can just come about by being negligent.

The question isn't is Ganiman plotting to run away with people's money and live off his swiss bank account on some tropical island, it's whether Ganiman was responsible with the money.