Dear Ganiman, (op updated)

[Wizerd]

He already did something, he made Taj black out Dvs address and give back Dvs forum account, there is nothing more he needs to do.

Someone breaks into your house, steals your car, but leaves the motor oil, and you're suppose to thank him?

You're a fucking idiot.

No, YOU'RE a fucking idiot, this is a VIDEO GAME FORUM.

Go home.

Actually now you're being the fucking idiot. It's not about the Video Game Forum, it's about the Paypal account.

How do you say.. Go home.

No, I'm being realistic, he's saying that Sonomaa isn't doing shit when actually he doesn't have to do anything, the forums have nothing to do with the paypal account, it was just an added bonus. Dvs is already seeking legal action so his bitching is pointless.

TBH I thought alphacat was quoting something else, not the admin stuff lol. Disregard.

[BerenTebogo]

that the admins here may be legally liable for this also.

Actually no..as long as non financial crime or anything more serious than "LOL, you RMT'd a video game item" happened, good fucking luck getting the FBI involved... and believe me, no other agency has the resources to track down whodunnit.

It's invasion of privacy / internet fraud you twat.

[Rocl]

Tell me you brilliant specimen of a human being, what are the admins supposed to do in this situation? I can assure you, there is no security flaw. Especially since it went from e-mail -> paypal -> forum account.

If that's the case, then let's see my changed password get posted here.

I can't do that personally, only an admin can.

Also, as far as I can remember, there have been very few "account hackings" on BG forums, both of which EVERYTHING the person had was gotten into, e-mail, forum account, etc. All of them had the same password.

[Wizerd]

Tell me you brilliant specimen of a human being, what are the admins supposed to do in this situation? I can assure you, there is no security flaw. Especially since it went from e-mail -> paypal -> forum account.

If that's the case, then let's see my changed password get posted here.

I can't do that personally, only an admin can.

Also, as far as I can remember, there have been very few "account hackings" on BG forums, both of which EVERYTHING the person had was gotten into, e-mail, forum account, etc. All of them had the same password.

Just say NO to identical passwords. Even having 3 passwords that you use for 6 different things is safer than the same one for everything. Divisor isn't a stupid person, I'm really quite surprised his passwords were all the same.

[BerenTebogo]

Moral of the story, don't use same passwords for everything, common sense.

All honesty, this shit still scares the crap out of me personally.

[divisortheory]

Tell me you brilliant specimen of a human being, what are the admins supposed to do in this situation? I can assure you, there is no security flaw. Especially since it went from e-mail -> paypal -> forum account.

If that's the case, then let's see my changed password get posted here.

I can't do that personally, only an admin can.

Also, as far as I can remember, there have been very few "account hackings" on BG forums, both of which EVERYTHING the person had was gotten into, e-mail, forum account, etc. All of them had the same password.

I meant my updated gmail password. You said he got my email password first. Since I was not a victim of the "secondary email address" hack, and I clicked no spam or links of any kind actually that took me to anything other than BG, MSNBC, and other common websites, what you're saying implies that he can arbitrarily get people's gmail passwords at will. So if that's the case, get my new gmail password. If it doesn't happen, then the forum password was obtained first.

[rydiu]

Enjoy going all Duke Lacrosse on me while I'm busy reporting this.

Here you have it folks. Admission of guilt that those IGE transactions are real....if they weren't, why try reporting it. lulz+1

[Sonomaa]

lolz div buyz gil

How come no one cared when Erza's BG Account got hacked?

protip: make sure you don't use the same password for everything

1. Who said nobody cared?

I dont care enough as long as certain specifics are met, the address has been removed.

2. Steals pw and getting into someone's paypal account is more severe than simply losing an account on the forum.

somebody had shitty passwords I guess... and kept all three of them the same

3. Why isn't the Admin doing anything about this?

I did, thats all I have to do, there is no more cooperation needed on my part, address gone, account returned, lesson learned. Im not the police, just another forum admin, there really isnt anything that I could do to assist in the matter, its their deal, not mine.

[ringthree]

that the admins here may be legally liable for this also.

Actually no..as long as non financial crime or anything more serious than "LOL, you RMT'd a video game item" happened, good fucking luck getting the FBI involved... and believe me, no other agency has the resources to track down whodunnit.

Actually, the locals can shut down your site if you don't provide information regarding a potential crime, had it happen on another forum when someone made a semi-legitimate violent threat. I am not saying they are going to get sued or taken to court, but the police can shut down the site, and if they don't provide information on the person being investigated it can cause problems.

[rydiu]

If you watch any law show, then you should know that evidence gotten without a warrant is impermissible in court unless it was in plain sight.

Or otherwise admitted to by the defendant....professional detectives are very tricky people.

[Fallso]

Can't recall a time that Taj has lied to us before, whereas Divisor has before.

I can't recall a time when DivisorTheory created multiple aliases to try to rig the Vanadiel Madness contest.

I think you're a bit of an idiot.

I disagree with you, therefore I am an idiot. I love the internet.

To explain my point a little more clearly, my point was that Taj has displayed a blatant willingness to ignore the rules for his own ends before. That establishes a precedence that should brand any of his evidence as suspect in my eyes.

Let's for a minute assume that Divisortheory did buy gil in 2004. Why the hell is buying gil (three years ago, I might add) a bigger sin than breaking into someone else's Paypal account?

You're a fucking idiot because vanadiel madness is a bit less important than buying a fuckton of gil, and may I add probably for the fun of it.

[divisortheory]

Enjoy going all Duke Lacrosse on me while I'm busy reporting this.

Here you have it folks. Admission of guilt that those IGE transactions are real....if they weren't, why try reporting it. lulz+1

Are you that dumb? I'm reporting an unauthorized access to confidential account information as well as a partial publication of that informatino. It has nothing to do with IGE.

[rydiu]

and if they don't provide information on the person being investigated it can cause problems.

How do the police know that dvs is just not being irresponsible with password info... no money was stolen. They have better things to do than worry about someone getting called out on some bad things they did in a video game. Reality check, do you need it?

[alphacat]

If you watch any law show, then you should know that evidence gotten without a warrant is impermissible in court unless it was in plain sight.

Or otherwise admitted to by the defendant....professional detectives are very tricky people.

Hence is why you shouldn't say anything without an attorney present.

[divisortheory]

But if it's like you say, and the screenshots were altered of existing dates, and you'd like to prove to the community they are false, repost them from your account with the actual transactions. (Maybe blacked out somewhat, due to possibly being private.)

The account was closed about 3 minutes after the breach. I don't have access to the records anymore.

[Wizerd]

that the admins here may be legally liable for this also.

Actually no..as long as non financial crime or anything more serious than "LOL, you RMT'd a video game item" happened, good fucking luck getting the FBI involved... and believe me, no other agency has the resources to track down whodunnit.

Actually, the locals can shut down your site if you don't provide information regarding a potential crime, had it happen on another forum when someone made a semi-legitimate violent threat. I am not saying they are going to get sued or taken to court, but the police can shut down the site, and if they don't provide information on the person being investigated it can cause problems.

I highly doubt the admins of this website, regardless of their relationship to Taj, are dumb enough to withhold information and risk getting their entire site shutdown, if they do happen to be called up or otherwise queried by the FBI.

[Sho]

Moral of the story, don't use same passwords for everything, common sense.

All honesty, this shit still scares the crap out of me personally.

It shouldn't. It's common sense really, like you said-- coming from a Nigerian background, I hear about internet fraud/account hacking alot. Just change up your password for everything. Simple.

Doubtful that there's enough evidence to find Taj guilty of anything-- it's nothing for a person to simply acquire account info on one computer, then run back the same password on another to this forum. Also, he could have gotten the screenshots from someone else totally.

[Fallso]

But if it's like you say, and the screenshots were altered of existing dates, and you'd like to prove to the community they are false, repost them from your account with the actual transactions. (Maybe blacked out somewhat, due to possibly being private.)

The account was closed about 3 minutes after the breach. I don't have access to the records anymore.

How convenient.

[alphacat]

You're a fucking idiot because vanadiel madness is a bit less important than buying a fuckton of gil, and may I add probably for the fun of it.

Are you stupid? You said Taj never lies, you were proven wrong. You saild buying gil discredits a person, but you think a person who hacks into other people's paypal account is credible.

You are full of paradox aren't you.

[BerenTebogo]

and if they don't provide information on the person being investigated it can cause problems.

How do the police know that dvs is just not being irresponsible with password info... no money was stolen. They have better things to do than worry about someone getting called out on some bad things they did in a video game. Reality check, do you need it?

It's not about a fucking video game you INCREDIBLE idiot.

His REAL LIFE (IT EXISTS PEOPLE) FINANCIAL INFORMATION WAS COMPROMISED.

This has fuck all to do with mandau's, gil, or lolige, everyone I know over the age of 35 uses the same 1-2 fucking passwords for everything, irresponsible? Maybe.

THIS IS STILL FUCKING ILLEGAL.

Stop relating real-life fraud to FFXI just because the transactions involve video game currency you fucking idiot.s