Dear Ganiman, (op updated)

[rydiu]

It's the intent not the crime, if he hacked into divisor's account to steal money, falsely purchase something etc. it's one thing, when you're doing it to prove a point it's another. Analyze what his intent was and if you can prove there was no malicious intent, which in fact there wasn't, then even if divisor grew a sack and tried to pursue some form of legal means it's not going anywhere. The point is, divisor bought gil, his buddies on clopedia stole 9 grand and they should all be fucked by a big black cock.

A true voice of reason.

[Antonidas]

Look what happens. I leave for 30 min and im 4 pages behind the times lol.

I already said the email was legit, and I further explained it

So wait, doesn't that mean you're busted?

[divisortheory]

Look what happens. I leave for 30 min and im 4 pages behind the times lol.

I already said the email was legit, and I further explained it

So wait, doesn't that mean you're busted?

You really haven't read anything in the thread have you? GTFO if you're not gonna read, no it doesn't mean I'm busted dumbass.

[Byrd]

You're a fucking idiot because vanadiel madness is a bit less important than buying a fuckton of gil, and may I add probably for the fun of it.

In a court of law, when questioning someone's moral character, they find unrelated issues to try to establish precedent, whether good or bad. Taj's precedent with regard to a willingness to bend rules to suit his own ends has been established by his actions during Vana'diel Madness. On a Hierarchy of Sins, manipulating VM is certainly less signficant than buying gil (although some might disagree). The main crux of my post still stands --- breaking into someone else's account, regardless of intent, is still a far greater sin than buying gil. It's illegal, for starters, and a serious invasion of privacy. Could he have done a lot more harm than he did? Absolutely. It doesn't mean it's not wrong just because it's funny.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Anyone not concerned with the breach of financial information and privacy still plays FFXI on their mommy and daddy's bills.

" THANKS FOR THE LULZ TAJ "

Fucking brilliant, all of you.

Get jobs.

I'm @ work

What taj did was funny.

I'm just not paranoid.

[Attila]

It's the intent not the crime, if he hacked into divisor's account to steal money, falsely purchase something etc. it's one thing, when you're doing it to prove a point it's another. Analyze what his intent was and if you can prove there was no malicious intent, which in fact there wasn't, then even if divisor grew a sack and tried to pursue some form of legal means it's not going anywhere. The point is, divisor bought gil, his buddies on clopedia stole 9 grand and they should all be fucked by a big black cock.

A true voice of reason.

Two voices of stupidity.

[Shuemue]

Anyone not concerned with the breach of financial information and privacy still plays FFXI on their mommy and daddy's bills.

" THANKS FOR THE LULZ TAJ "

Fucking brilliant, all of you.

Get jobs.

Actually, some of us aren't fucking retarded and have a basic grasp of internet security.

[Miji]

I'd still like to know what has happened to the other 2 grand-- in all honesty, they should divide and run the money back to the donators. If that TOO hasn't been spent already. >_>

They said what they were probably going to do with the leftover money like 15 pages ago. Hell, they even said they were still open to suggestions about it.

[Sasarai]

3. Divisor deleted his Paypal account, thusly making any legal action he intends to make absolutely impossible (as if it wasn't before).

Incorrect. A simple subpoena will uncover any logs and information Paypal has from Divisor's deleted account. The information sticks around for lengths of time because financial institutions are required to keep this information. I don't know how long for but it's a significant amount of time, plenty enough for an investigation to follow through.

Not especially the point, any investigation will prove pointless anyway as not only was nothing comprimised (you can't get your own Credit Card details on Paypal, it comes up with #s and only 4 end digits) but the IP logged will almost certainly not be traced back to him.

If something had actually been stolen it would maybe be easier (checking who it transfered to etc), but he only went into the history. In short, Divisor can expect a GM response from any authories "Thank you and sorry for the trouble this has caused you. We will investigate this matter by doing sweet fuck all. Good day."

[Sho]

Anyone not concerned with the breach of financial information and privacy still plays FFXI on their mommy and daddy's bills.

" THANKS FOR THE LULZ TAJ "

Fucking brilliant, all of you.

Get jobs.

I have a well paying job good sir, thank you. I'm concerned with financial procedure and all that concerning privacy... alas, there's not enough proof to get Taj, which is what the last few pages have been about. Common sense does trump alot of stuff-- don't be an idiot and use the same password for your forum/bank/e-mail/credit card accounts.

[Quixon]

Anyone not concerned with the breach of financial information and privacy still plays FFXI on their mommy and daddy's bills.

No....I have nothing to fear from this shit. Keep your multiple passwords complex and different and your pretty much good to go.

[divisortheory]

It's the intent not the crime, if he hacked into divisor's account to steal money, falsely purchase something etc. it's one thing, when you're doing it to prove a point it's another. Analyze what his intent was and if you can prove there was no malicious intent, which in fact there wasn't, then even if divisor grew a sack and tried to pursue some form of legal means it's not going anywhere. The point is, divisor bought gil, his buddies on clopedia stole 9 grand and they should all be fucked by a big black cock.

A true voice of reason.

Good, I can kill 2 douchebags with one stone. Did you happen to read the legal statute I quoted directly from the law?

[Sho]

I'd still like to know what has happened to the other 2 grand-- in all honesty, they should divide and run the money back to the donators. If that TOO hasn't been spent already. >_>

They said what they were probably going to do with the leftover money like 15 pages ago. Hell, they even said they were still open to suggestions about it.

So they say; I read that part. Not enough assurance that they did nothing to the remainder of the money however, just a usual song and dance to try and keep people's minds at rest (with failure). And you've just read my honest suggestion.

[rydiu]

Donated money CAN NOT be used how they wish. That is a law. Learn it.

Agreed. While there are no laws in place that protect us from a non-legal entity taking the money and the power that be don't have time to waste on $9000 swindled in the manner it was, it is a crime to do what they are accused of.

[BerenTebogo]

Anyone not concerned with the breach of financial information and privacy still plays FFXI on their mommy and daddy's bills.

" THANKS FOR THE LULZ TAJ "

Fucking brilliant, all of you.

Get jobs.

Actually, some of us aren't fucking retarded and have a basic grasp of internet security.

So do I.

I'm not paranoid for myself, I don't think Taj is going to hack me.

It concerns me that my parents who are retired, my wife's parents, her younger sisters who ARE pretty fucking dumb, don't have a basic grasp of internet security.

Exploiting shit like this to prove a point may be funny to US, but unless everyone in your life is as educated with computers as you are, do you really not get fazed by this?

[Sasarai]

It's the intent not the crime, if he hacked into divisor's account to steal money, falsely purchase something etc. it's one thing, when you're doing it to prove a point it's another. Analyze what his intent was and if you can prove there was no malicious intent, which in fact there wasn't, then even if divisor grew a sack and tried to pursue some form of legal means it's not going anywhere. The point is, divisor bought gil, his buddies on clopedia stole 9 grand and they should all be fucked by a big black cock.

A true voice of reason.

Good, I can kill 2 douchebags with one stone. Did you happen to read the legal statute I quoted directly from the law?

Innocent untill proven guilty.

Prove.

[Plow]

I'd still like to know what has happened to the other 2 grand-- in all honesty, they should divide and run the money back to the donators. If that TOO hasn't been spent already. >_>

for those that don't wanna read the whole thread at this point:

all but 2k was spent on server leasing

wiki people state that they are working on a way to get the 2k returned, with mention of a giveaway of something like copies of wotg as a possibilty

[divisortheory]

Innocent untill proven guilty.

Prove.

Funny how that only applies to the person who committed no crime, but not to the person who did

[Shuemue]

Exploiting shit like this to prove a point may be funny to US, but unless everyone in your life is as educated with computers as you are, do you really not get fazed by this?

It takes 2 minutes to explain to someone that it's important to use multiple complex passwords.

[rydiu]

"The FBI doesn't care about a loltopic about FFXI" - Correct. They care about Invasion of Privacy however.

Unless you're somebody important (read political figurehead) they aren't going to investigate some petty invasion of privacy case such as this.....go ahead and make some phone calls, they're just gonna LOL @you for being a computer programmer who's such a noob that you can't keep your important logins secure.