Dear Ganiman, (op updated)

[Ashira]

FUCKING HELL I CANNOT KEEP UP WITH ALL THIS FUCKING REPLYING

[Ashira]

Dammit, someone wake up Taj and tell him to clean up his shit. -.-

[NynJa]

Uh.. Taj didnt hurt anyone, considering he actually went and helped the developers fix major issues, instead of using them for his own, or passing the knowledge out.

Hey, my friends trying to become a surgeon. Can I get a gun, shoot you in the leg, and say its ok because my friend needs hands on surgical training ??

Two birds with one stone, seeing as how its legal in the states to own a gun, so I should be able to use what I own, right ?

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Uh.. Taj didnt hurt anyone, considering he actually went and helped the developers fix major issues, instead of using them for his own, or passing the knowledge out.

Hey, my friends trying to become a surgeon. Can I get a gun, shoot you in the leg, and say its ok because my friend needs hands on surgical training ??

Two birds with one stone, seeing as how its legal in the states to own a gun, so I should be able to use what I own, right ?

Wait, so who did he hurt to make the analogy work?

[Fallso]

They weren't the GMs who had to deal with the trouble he caused.

The GMs weren't dealing with taj, it was the developers... GMs are just customer serverice ppl doing their job...I bet they got a kick out of it...

Doesn't matter, Taj makes people's jobs harder for his own amusement. It might not be blatantly malicious but the respect he gets around here for harassing the people who make the game we all clearly enjoy is just mindboggling.

Yeah I bet you've never laughed at one of Taj's antics. >_>

And I've laughed at children for doing things they shouldn't either, simply because something is funny doesn't mean it's justified.

And he didn't help them in every occaision, remember when he was going around with his app DCing people? I can remember him bragging about crashing whitegate...

I can't believe people actually believe his actions haven't caused anyone any harm or frustration.

It was something he typed into the log, a symbol I think, and they patched that by themselves I think.

[SephYuyX]

Uh.. Taj didnt hurt anyone, considering he actually went and helped the developers fix major issues, instead of using them for his own, or passing the knowledge out.

Hey, my friends trying to become a surgeon. Can I get a gun, shoot you in the leg, and say its ok because my friend needs hands on surgical training ??

Two birds with one stone, seeing as how its legal in the states to own a gun, so I should be able to use what I own, right ?

Wait, so who did he hurt to make the analogy work?

Apperintly Nynja likes fishbotters and rmt.

[rydiu]

Uh.. Taj didnt hurt anyone, considering he actually went and helped the developers fix major issues, instead of using them for his own, or passing the knowledge out.

Hey, my friends trying to become a surgeon. Can I get a gun, shoot you in the leg, and say its ok because my friend needs hands on surgical training ??

Two birds with one stone, seeing as how its legal in the states to own a gun, so I should be able to use what I own, right ?

You sir, seem not to understand the field of computer engineering....the only field where some of the most professional, wealthy and advanced people don't even have any kind of degree...

[Ishido]

Uh.. Taj didnt hurt anyone, considering he actually went and helped the developers fix major issues, instead of using them for his own, or passing the knowledge out.

Hey, my friends trying to become a surgeon. Can I get a gun, shoot you in the leg, and say its ok because my friend needs hands on surgical training ??

Two birds with one stone, seeing as how its legal in the states to own a gun, so I should be able to use what I own, right ?

Not exactly a proper analogy... close, but not quite. Closer to finding a hole in the security of a bank, playing around with it for awhile, and then telling the bank/security company about it so that they can fix it.

[Antonidas]

And he did D/C fishbots at the height of the pandemic. That was Win.

The server lost a LV 1 besieged. That was just hillarious.

And he DC'd a GM. That was Win. But the GM was pera invis so you couldn't see the D/C sign and take a photo.

MORAL OF STORY:

-Thumbs up for exposing the info

-Thumbs down for the means used to aqcuire said info

Nuff said.

(That's a shitload of Gil)

[ringthree]

[quote=Ashira]

Only problem with that is that the information you are using to question DV's credibility is from someone you have already indicted, and should also lack credibility. So maybe no one has credibility here. At least DV didn't hack anyone.

At least Taj didn't buy gil.

So you'd rather have someone break into your bank account than buy gil?

Wow. Just wow.

No, I was using his form of argument against him as a spoof. He himself just said no one had any credibility, but then further continued to justify one's actions over the other.

If neither has any credibility, though, then nothing can truly be justified.

Ashi, I am kind disappointed in you, because you really didn't read at all. I said that even if no one has any credibility, DV did not commit a crime. Taj did. That was a pretty weak defense there. Unless you really do believe that buying gil and hacking personal and financial information are on equal legal footing. And if you do... then you have larger problems.

It was more of a snippy remark than anything. I'm not saying I agree with Taj's actions and I'd be pretty pissed if he did it to me, yeah. And I get pretty pissed when people who denied activities all along are then found out to have been doing so all along. One is a matter of law and privacy, the other is a matter of honor. Different levels, different wrongdoings. Both wrong. /shrug[/quote:13ac1]

The problem is that ultimately you are accepting the evidence of the person that hacked, and you really can only do this if you have a bias toward the offender. Would you be as pissed at Taj if you found out he faked the paypal screenshots? No, because he is your friend, it is just more harmless antics. You have already excused Taj's misdoings, but refuse to excuse someone else's lesser misdoings (one's similar to yours).

Hacking is a matter of law, privacy AND honor. There are two different levels of wrongdoing here, and you are trying to group them together to justify your friends actions. Your bias becomes more plain the further you take this.

Ultimately, how freaking lame do you have to be to hack someone's account just to win an argument over the internet?

[Seraph]

Yeah, the bandwagon stuff is annoying, but there are two different extremes that have happened here. The first is "It doesn't matter what Div did because Taj did THIS!!!." The second is "Div is full of it, he bought gil, I knew it, he stinks!"

Taj is loved around here, Div (apparently) doesn't have the same size fanclub. Does that make Taj right? Nope. Does it mean Div gets away scott free? Nope. Does it mean Div actually bought gil? Possibly. Does it mean most will think he did? Definately.

There is also a distinction between 'harmless' and 'wrong'. If I had to pick, I'd say this was in the "wrong but probably relatively harmless" category. Will anything become of this to hurt Div besides some injured pride? I would guess probably not. (Taj going on a shopping spree soon? I get visions of that credit card comercial with the fat dude talking in the woman's voice about all her recent purchases. These shoes look sooooo stylish...)

I will say though, Taj on Odin could make for some serious awesomesauce.

[NynJa]

ok Rydiu, you need to shut the fuck up. I read from like page 18 to page 26, and you have got to be the dumbest motherfucker I've ever had the displeasure of hearing about. The things that come out of your, well, keyboard, make absolutely no fucking sense. I am convinced you were dropped on your head when you were born.

Please just shut the fuck up.


I find it hilarious how youre all "THX 4 TEH LUZL". I can only hope that one day the same situations befalls you guys: Someone hacks into your paypal / bank account, someone breaks into your house, someone jacks your car. But hey, you guys shouldnt mine if:
Someone hacks into your paypal / bank account, but doesnt use any money.
Someone breaks into your house, but leaves everything where it was.
Someone jacks your car, but returns it without any damages.

RIGHT ?!?


LULZ

[Antonidas]

-Thumbs up for exposing the info

-Thumbs down for the means used to aqcuire said info

And lol at all these self righteous pricks who didn't understand the funny behind taj's antics regarding the DC exploit. Thake a joke. It was awesome. And WAAAAY old. Move on.

[Amele]

I actually had my car jacked once and returned later with a full tank of gas and no damage.

I found it pretty funny, honestly.

[Seraph]

-Thumbs up for exposing the info

-Thumbs down for the means used to aqcuire said info

And lol at all these self righteous pricks who didn't understand the funny behind taj's antics regarding the DC exploit. Thake a joke. It was awesome. And WAAAAY old. Move on.

A tip of my Coronet, and a wag of my Gauntlets...

[richardd]

I actually had my car jacked once and returned later with a full tank of gas and no damage.

I found it pretty funny, honestly.

than it wasnt jacked. It was probably your parents or something.

[Croaker]

They weren't the GMs who had to deal with the trouble he caused.

The GMs weren't dealing with taj, it was the developers... GMs are just customer serverice ppl doing their job...I bet they got a kick out of it...

Doesn't matter, Taj makes people's jobs harder for his own amusement. It might not be blatantly malicious but the respect he gets around here for harassing the people who make the game clearly all enjoy is just mindboggling.

Uh.. Taj didnt hurt anyone, considering he actually went and helped the developers fix major issues, instead of using them for his own, or passing the knowledge out.

Yeah right. Tell that to the people who had their inventories locked up by Taj because they outclaimed his friends LS at Khimeria. It took them a week to get access to their items again. Tell that to the people who lost a besieged because he force D/C everyone that was there. Tell that to all the poor fishermen in Batilla Downs who couldn't afford their bowls of rice because he D/C them too. Ok, maybe I can forgive that last one.

It doesn't matter that he helped the developers fix major issues. Those issues would never have been issues if it weren't for him. You can't cause a problem and claim a good deed for fixing it. Taj is the kind of guy who would think he is a hero because he drove a girl home after he raped her.

[alphacat]

He told them how to fucking fix it afterwards.

Drives your car off a cliff

Oh by the way, the repair shop is that way ->


It's very sad that there are so many people who can not put themselves in the victim's shoes.

[Rem]

Someone jacks your car, but returns it without any damages.

It's more like Someone breaks into your car without damaging it, sits in it while he takes pictures and then locks it back up before he leaves. But yea I'd still feel pretty Violated if that happened to me.

I like how Taj exposed DT but the way he went about it was wrong. I guess. Either way people are going from one extreme to the next.

[Antonidas]

I actually had my car jacked once and returned later with a full tank of gas and no damage.

I found it pretty funny, honestly.

That's actually pretty hillarious.

We had a break in to our residence last year. Some guys go in through a window in one of the rooms, unlocked the door...

went to the kitchen and stole the cutlery drawer, which they left at the Front door.

Edit:

It's very sad that there are so many people who can not put themselves in the victim's shoes

What victim?