Damage change thread

[Max™]

Well, it is a rare ass drop though, so I don't really have an issue with it being brokener.

Same with Haidate for 2h jobs, they're omgwtfamazing now, 15 Acc? AND 5% Haste, hot damn!

Go down a step from Adaberk to Berk +1, the previous best alternative, and you notice a different thing.

Say you're a Drk, you've got Homam Feet, Legs, and Hands, Bomblet, PCC, Swift belt, Sniper +1 and a Rajas.

That's +43 Acc right there before factoring in anything else, on top of the 30ish Acc from the base Dex you gained, and now if you had no body piece on, you'd be hitting really high Acc.

Is the 18 Acc on a Berk+1 going to outweigh the 6 Str/12 Att by swapping to Are's body?

Not like you're going to swap out Homam feet for anything in the foreseeable future, hands are pretty freaking awesome too, and legs have multiple benefits, fast cast being nice for Drk too.

So then you stack in the Adaberk with all that Homam and you've got a bunch of "wasted" Accuracy, not like you'd change it, but I imagine dropping PCC/Bomblet/Sniper+1 for Str/Att would be beneficial in this situation.

[Amele]

Basically what I mean was kind of in relation to what he said about opening up new options.


Ebody now pretty much means you can do damn near whatever the hell you want with every other slot, ares and plastron (and byrnie for that matter) still require pretty specific setups to really be effective.

doesn't that meet the very definition of more options?

or that we're even talking about byrnie and not putting an "lol" in front of it?

hell for that matter, for the person already sporting a homam based setup, you've got an actual option of going for shadow body now (10/25 -3/5 rolled up) where before, wearing a body that had only 3.5* accuracy wasn't generally a good idea.

remember how much we all panned that stuff? look at it with 2h wielders in mind and it actually looks pretty good.


*pre-update

[Don Katsu]

or keeping Ares body on full time. No other piece of gear will give you 36 Attack and 12 STR in one slot

[Max™]

or keeping Ares body on full time. No other piece of gear will give you 36 Attack and 12 STR in one slot

Yup, I would love an Are's body, but actually spending that much for what would have been a Steel Cyclone macro piece was kind of meh.

Now, I'd full time the thing and make up the 15 acc in other slots, if I even felt I needed it that bad.

[layoneil]

before:
ares + pcc + sniper+1 = 30 att 17 acc 12 str
ebody + gorget + lolflame ring = 29.5 att 27 acc 15 str

after:
Ares + pcc + sniper+1 = 36 att 17 acc 12 str
ebody + gorget + flame ring = 37 att 32 acc 15 str

It just amplified the difference some.

i don't think you're looking at it right.

the 15 Acc difference now doesn't really matter that much. you wouldn't even use Sniper+1 on Ares and use the Flame Ring in both sets.

Ares + pcc + flame ring = 41 att 12 acc 17 str
ebody + gorget + flame ring = 37 att 32 acc 15 str

when you parse both sets the Accuracy difference is going to be very small, with the dex change.

[Beckwin]

I'm a little confused where people are getting 32 acc in that ebody setup. Ebody on a twohander is 25 accuracy, correct?

From my understanding, we're looking at 2str 11atk vs. 25 acc, which isn't that ludicrous of a comparison in the post-patch world, especially for DRK and DRG which has the still-excellent homam gear for tping.

[Khrno]

If no Ares body yet, but Adaberk, go the easy way for Att+: Dusks > Homam.

In my Salvage SP I'm getting legs first, someone else is getting body, (since no Homam yet.. no comments) would Ares legs be better for TP than Onyx Cuisses?

Since I think Dex/Acc+6 and DA +2% > +15 Att, for both TP and WS purpouses, or am i wrong?

[Beckwin]

I think you're right. I wouldn't really see onyx worth keeping around if you had the flanchard.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Eh, I'd say for WS Onyx > Ares. They're both great though.

[Ryko]

K hexagram we took beckwin out as DRK/WAR with your ridiculous dinosaur no haste gear gear setup with me as SAM and our monk from before.

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/7...exagramnn1.jpg

This was our humoring you, are you kidding me? I swung about twice as much as beckwin did on the haste difference alone.

[Khrno]

K hexagram we took beckwin out as DRK/WAR with your ridiculous dinosaur no haste gear gear setup with me as SAM and our monk from before.


This was our humoring you, are you kidding me? I swung about twice as much as beckwin did on the haste difference alone.

You did 30% more melee damage alone, than Beckwin, like wtf is that. If the only way to get close (or outparse in other cases) a SAM is by melee damage

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

K hexagram we took beckwin out as DRK/WAR with your ridiculous dinosaur no haste gear gear setup with me as SAM and our monk from before.


This was our humoring you, are you kidding me? I swung about twice as much as beckwin did on the haste difference alone.

You did 30% more melee damage alone, than Beckwin, like wtf is that. If the only way to get close (or outparse in other cases) a SAM is by melee damage

Lack of haste gear does nasty things to your DoT

[Ryko]

K hexagram we took beckwin out as DRK/WAR with your ridiculous dinosaur no haste gear gear setup with me as SAM and our monk from before.


This was our humoring you, are you kidding me? I swung about twice as much as beckwin did on the haste difference alone.

You did 30% more melee damage alone, than Beckwin, like wtf is that. If the only way to get close (or outparse in other cases) a SAM is by melee damage

Lack of haste gear does nasty things to your DoT

There's no way that blowhard would have come anywhere near me in that setup, let alone pre 9/11 patch

[Plow]

I'm a little confused where people are getting 32 acc in that ebody setup. Ebody on a twohander is 25 accuracy, correct?

gorget

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

K hexagram we took beckwin out as DRK/WAR with your ridiculous dinosaur no haste gear gear setup with me as SAM and our monk from before.


This was our humoring you, are you kidding me? I swung about twice as much as beckwin did on the haste difference alone.

You did 30% more melee damage alone, than Beckwin, like wtf is that. If the only way to get close (or outparse in other cases) a SAM is by melee damage

Lack of haste gear does nasty things to your DoT

There's no way that blowhard would have come anywhere near me in that setup, let alone pre 9/11 patch

Noone you ever face will ever be able to touch you Ryko. Only Ruke can hope to approach the power of Ryko and such an epic matchup is unlikely to happen.

[Beckwin]

Well I've kinda gone toe-to-toe with his Ridill war and his sam post patch, all while not stacking attack and spamming drains!

Then there was a KC rng thing I was doing a few months ago, but yeah. Ryko's WAR and SAM are about the best I've seen, and that's across 2 servers.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Well I've kinda gone toe-to-toe with his Ridill war and his sam post patch, all while not stacking attack and spamming drains!

IMPOSSIBLE

[Sylvaria]

*please* hit me up for one of those parses,id really like to see if i stand a match against that

id also like to test if its worth keeping hauby+1 or just try to get it off for at least a byrnie+1

[Max™]

Well I've kinda gone toe-to-toe with his Ridill war and his sam post patch, all while not stacking attack and spamming drains!

I read that as "spamming data drains" the first time.

.hack'D