Damage change thread

[Beckwin]

Uh, SAM is still pretty solid merit DD.

[GSDragoon]

2.3-3k Pentas on Spongilla Flies/Greater Colibri prepatch, now 1300-1700...

Prepatch I used to get 300% and do 2.5k with 2hr and shit, but now that Penta is acc varies with TP, I can't do that :/

Oh and just from eyeballing it, I was missing hits on Penta today on Aw' Aerns even scored a 1 hitter....

What's your penta gear look like?



EDIT: I went out to solo some sea puks for a bit. Penta thrust is garbage now. I was doing just as much with skewer. Penta's were 600(if I missed 1 hit) to 1000. Skewer was doing 800-1k. 800-900 with wheeling. Use that on harder mobs and the accuracy will just suck it up.

[Takie]

Pre-Patch :

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50.../Pre-Patch.jpg

Stanislav WAR/NIN [Adaberk & Ridill] Axe Main
Cli WAR/NIN [Ridill] Axe Main
Vegi DRK/SAM [Lv.74 being PL'd] Scythe
Takie SAM/WAR
1 Bard

Post-Patch :

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50...Post-Patch.jpg

Stanislav WAR/NIN [Adaberk & Ridill] Axe Main
Cli WAR/NIN [Ridill] Axe Main
Takie SAM/WAR
2 Bards

Notes :
My average weaponskills dropped, even though I had more songs post-patch. Stan & Cli are both fully meritted warriors as well, 8axe 8sword, etc. I've got lol0 GKTN merits. I don't think SE will nerf 2H beyond this, I guess this is here to stay

[Reality]

so uh, what did they do specifically to change 2h in this update?

[Beckwin]

Lowered WS damage a bit; most notably for single-hitters it looks like.

[Akanei]

Was birds, I didn't feel like taking a madrigal instead of a minuet and hurt the 2 handers to accomodate myself fully. That said, I think I might be able to find a drg somewhere >_>

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhh.

<_<

[Khrno]

That parser looks really nice. Even if Ryko was on Sushi, Beckwin says he wasn't spamming Souleater, so it is an ok trade off.

Guillotine wise I haven't seen any nerfs, just the overall damage tuning down, so it gets effected by that, but it is still pretty solid, and way better than pre-first patch.

Cross Reaper is the one that got the worst part, even tho it wasn't directly neferd or anything, for the contrary it is still buffed from last time, but it is bound to SA and Martial.

Spinning Slash was still doing solid 1k-1.1k at 100% on Darters, but thats around 200 less than before.

[Talisien]

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3287/parse1az8.jpg

Dual sword WAR/NIN
SAM/WAR (his damage fell off when he was screwing with soboro)
DRK/SAM

2 handers used meat, I used sushi. Double marches/minuets.

Wow, balance, who would have thought?

Interesting results, question - Why did the sam only have 11 more WS than the drk? The lower average weapon skill makes a lot of sense if he was fooling around with soboro but the 11 more WS doesn't.

Was his gear comparable to the two of you?

[JeanClaudVanDamme]

So, going by Ryko and Takiri's parse, we may actually have some sort of balance, with 2h slightly winning, and SAM still domintes, only not as much as before.

Are we all happy? I am. *extends fist to give SE props* *pulls fist back as last moment, leaving SE standing, because he's cool like that*

[Isiolia]

I dunno, I think a lot of people were saying that DEX = ACC on 2h was broken...and it's still here.

[JeanClaudVanDamme]

I dunno, I think a lot of people were saying that DEX = ACC on 2h was broken...and it's still here.

I'm pretty sure that if you take the dex=acc out from 2h, they'll go back to losing hard. Let 2h eat meat freely, and let 1h have their DW speed.

[Nameless]

Based on Taki's parse I see that Sam still dominating with 0 GK merit over fully merited Ridill war with adaberk. Kinda still not balanced if you ask me. Tho the other parse result look very balanced. Not sure what are the differences between the two.

As far as Sam/war goes, I guess their advantage is really just that they are allowed to sub war and still keep Hasso and Seigan and Meditate from being Sam main. The huge damage on WS is the result of berserk more than anything else.

I don't doubt a Drk/war can do better damage than Drk/sam, but the damage is probably not worth the MP. And I think Drk/war can probably tie with Sam/war on offense if not better if you know how to use Souleater (still eats too much MP).

As far as why sam only get 11 more WS, i think if the drk has haste build and use a scythe, he will normally match Sam WS by WS. The real question should be how long was the sam messing with soboro. If the Sam was just using Hagun, Drk should never lose on the amount of WS, especially on mobs you can absorb tp.

[Dearna]

That would be easier if the 2h couldn't now wear haste gear instead of acc gear. I'm sorry, call me crazy, but it looks like well equipped sams swing just as fast as me on monk.

[Black]

funny how SE made heavy weapons more accurate than light ones

[JeanClaudVanDamme]

Based on Taki's parse I see that Sam still dominating with 0 GK merit over fully merited Ridill war with adaberk. Kinda still not balanced if you ask me. Tho the other parse result look very balanced. Not sure what are the differences between the two.

As far as Sam/war goes, I guess their advantage is really just that they are allowed to sub war and still keep Hasso and Seigan and Meditate from being Sam main. The huge damage on WS is the result of berserk more than anything else.

I don't doubt a Drk/war can do better damage than Drk/sam, but the damage is probably not worth the MP. And I think Drk/war can probably tie with Sam/war on offense if not better if you know how to use Souleater (still eats too much MP).

As far as why sam only get 11 more WS, i think if the drk has haste build and use a scythe, he will normally match Sam WS by WS. The real question should be how long was the sam messing with soboro. If the Sam was just using Hagun, Drk should never lose on the amount of WS, especially on mobs you can absorb tp.

SE has a hidden, racist agenda. Samurai = japanese. Japanese = JPONRY. JPONRY = superior. Thus, SAM > every DD.

[HadesBothari]

Funny how for 4 years light weapons did more dmg than heavy weapons and no one found it funny.

SE has a hidden, racist agenda. Samurai = japanese. Japanese = JPONRY. JPONRY = superior. Thus, SAM > every DD.

QFT.. SAM / MNK / NIN
Edited for clarity

[Nameless]

Despite all that, drk still pwns on zerg situation. I was doing DL last night, Sam with all their WSs combine for only about 5k damage if not less, I was doing 100 GA with Rune Chopper and did 5.5k in the first 15 sec (before DL dynamis assualt me for 2550 and I died, pulled more hate than the kclub drk lol). Have no doubt that I could have done 12k or more, which I did on the last run.

And kinda funny to see Sam keep dying in dynamis last night, perhaps they will now have to find a way to nerf themselve to not die as much. Similar to how Drks gimp ourselves to not die as much.

[Admo]

funny how SE made heavy weapons more accurate than light ones

Funny how people are still saying this when it holds no water.

[Neosutra]

funny how SE made heavy weapons more accurate than light ones

Funny how people are still saying this when it holds no water.

So your 2 handed weapons dont give you a 1 dex = 1 acc ratio? Mine do.

[sephir]

That would be easier if the 2h couldn't now wear haste gear instead of acc gear. I'm sorry, call me crazy, but it looks like well equipped sams swing just as fast as me on monk.

Last night, most of the Sams in my linkshell had a long(3+hours) talk with this Sam who was shouting in Whitegate. He quite literally was saying stuff like "Haste does nothing for Sam and they should stack Store TP. I get 19 TP per hit, thats a 5 hit build, 4 if I get hit". At first when I brought up someone was shouting this in whitegate some people were "lol" but then everyone started joining in on the Sam union discussion in whitegate. We eventually found out that he melees in Hydra mail(the drg/sam lvl 70 thing) Ohat and Warwolf belt. Was not a pretty discussion.


Anyways I like this update because it brought more balance into merit parties. Im just a little Sad I cant bust out 3.5k-4k Kashas in Apollyon SE anymore(maybe 3k now).