Einherjar: Wing/Tier 3

[Zubuis]

I was wondering if people here cs stun Khimiara?

Do you not cs stun at all and just try and stun fulmination in a stun rotation?

or do you just cs stun at like 35% ? (or possibly before this)

[Neosutra]

Anyone have some special tips for black dragon types in tier3?

Had about 3 blms there that could ES silence, but even with that we couldnt keep them silenced that long. Only had 6 of them in the first wave last time and took us 13 minutes to clear all of them due to dispelga and AoE and massive hp.

Input?

[Arthars]

luck really

it can just start void song right after the silence wears, and its hard to keep track with the log spams..........

and also its hard to tell next BLM to immediately ES silence since most BLM is busy nuking

even if everything is perfect, you also need the next inline to prepare ES, and cast the spell which takes off 7-10 sec. it can still use void song with that much melee on it if you get unlucky

i have yelled silence every dragon, and my group is pretty good but it still happens

im more annoyed at super curse > 200 max HP > flame breathe > eat dirt wtf

[Dammerung]

stun moar

[Neosutra]

luck really

it can just start void song right after the silence wears, and its hard to keep track with the log spams..........

and also its hard to tell next BLM to immediately ES silence since most BLM is busy nuking

even if everything is perfect, you also need the next inline to prepare ES, and cast the spell which takes off 7-10 sec. it can still use void song with that much melee on it if you get unlucky

i have yelled silence every dragon, and my group is pretty good but it still happens

im more annoyed at super curse > 200 max HP > flame breathe > eat dirt wtf

Ya, nothing really gives us any trouble in Einherjar anymore so I was suprised that these slowed us down so much. 6 dragons and nearly half our entry time spent on them =/

[donnie]

do u use 6 songs on your melees? its as simple as killing it fast enough so that u dont give the dragon a chance to own you.

we didnt use ES but rdm that was able to land it ( i think O.o), and other rdm/drk and blms stun spam while melees kill as random as that.

[Neosutra]

do u use 6 songs on your melees? its as simple as killing it fast enough so that u dont give the dragon a chance to own you.

we didnt use ES but rdm that was able to land it ( i think O.o), and other rdm/drk and blms stun spam while melees kill as random as that.

Not talking about tier2 boss >.>

Talking about sets of black dragons in tier3. 6 songs means little when they wipe all buffs, have massive hp, and other fun things. ES silence only lasts so long and cant stun every tp move.

[Tachi]

Since a maj, some mobs have their hp doubled or tripled sometime in Einherjar. Normal Ormr have 10k~11k hp but you can encounter those with 31k~ each.

[Darkmoon]

Since a maj, some mobs have their hp doubled or tripled sometime in Einherjar. Normal Ormr have 10k~11k hp but you can encounter those with 31k~ each.

I tend to feel that the HP is directly related to the # of waves you get in that run.

So poping in and seeing Boss + 2 waves up on Tier 3 generaly means a long grind on some high HP mobs.

But when you get a 4 wave run, they seem to have much better HP.

I do agree Dragons are about the most retarded mobs in Tier III, thier HP + Moves generaly make them a 10-15 min time sink regardless, and usualy cause a few deaths which in the long run ruins your kill speed on the rest teh dragons and the later mobs.

The only 2 Tier III we have lost have had Dragons in them.

The only time we won with Dragons up was Chigoe x12, Dragons x6, and vamp boss, and that one was close High HP evasive Chigoes took a lot longer then you would think, and then you have rediclous HP Dragons -.-.

[Ambir]

I was wondering if people here cs stun Khimiara?

Do you not cs stun at all and just try and stun fulmination in a stun rotation?

or do you just cs stun at like 35% ? (or possibly before this)

If you position so that only the tanks are in Fulmination range, you don't have to stun at all. Having the tanks save TP and use Stun WSs is handy though.

[Dammerung]

If you position so that only the tanks are in Fulmination range, you don't have to stun at all. Having the tanks save TP and use Stun WSs is handy though.

Call me stupid but since when wasn't Fulmination a huge AoE that hit everyone? We're talking about Einherjar here.

And I also do think there is a correlation between total number of mobs and their HP. We've had a few 6>6>12+Boss runs, and those 6 had a metric fuckton of HP. Also had some with a huge number of mobs, all which had low HP and died fast.

[Ambir]

Call me stupid but since when wasn't Fulmination a huge AoE that hit everyone? We're talking about Einherjar here.

And I also do think there is a correlation between total number of mobs and their HP. We've had a few 6>6>12+Boss runs, and those 6 had a metric fuckton of HP. Also had some with a huge number of mobs, all which had low HP and died fast.

Yep, we're talking Einherjar, I'm just thinking ZMN for some unknown reason.

Too many Khimaira's running around ><

Most of the 6 mob waves we've had have had more HP, but they've been high HP mobs like Dahaks. I don't recall having the same mobs in both 6 and 12 mob waves, but don't guarantee it doesn't happen. I always assumed that was why there was only 6 in a wave, because the mob family was tougher to begin with.

[Drex]

I always assumed that there's a set amount of HP for the regular mobs in a chamber, and when that chamber is generated, that number is divided by the number of waves, then again by the number of mobs in the wave. I dunno if that's right or not but it would explain the different HP amounts, and especially the massive HP low-wave-number 6 dragon fuckfests.

[Tachi]

Fulmination has 30m range and Gorgimera build a resistance to stun like the real Khimaira, I don't know if 20~ stun are enough to down him from 100 to 0%.

[Darkmoon]

Khim in Einherjar typically lives about 1.5 CS stuns. Hes rather squishy.

[Eliseos]

Were they called Ormr (or something like that), Neosutra? We had those on Monday, which were 6 black dragon types, but they never cast any spells. The only thing that sucked about them was their AOE full dispel including food, otherwise they took about 5 minutes total to down.

[Neosutra]

Were they called Ormr (or something like that), Neosutra? We had those on Monday, which were 6 black dragon types, but they never cast any spells. The only thing that sucked about them was their AOE full dispel including food, otherwise they took about 5 minutes total to down.

Yep, and it was the full dispel and massive HP that slowed us down. We usually end tier3 with 5-10 minutes left over, but timed out on boss due to these taking so long =/. I could have sworn weve done these before and not had so much hp.

Best strat I can think of is focusing more on ES silence and stuns.

[Eliseos]

Weird, they were the first mobs for us and none of them ever cast a thing. Did you get a Tiger and not kill it? We've had those in previous runs also, and I don't remember them casting those times either. The order for our run on Monday was 6 Black Dragons and the tiger towards the very end (I think we killed it right before we kill the last dragon) -> 6 Manticore -> 12 Flan and the Vampyr boss. We did the dragons 1 at a time, and they didn't appear to have much HP at all.

[Drex]

No one's meaning to imply that they cast anything, ES Silence stops them from using their "song" TP moves, including the AoE full dispel.

[Eliseos]

Ah, I never knew those were classified as songs, I always figured they were weapon skills. The more you know etc.