Einherjar: Wing/Tier 3

[Kaeko]

For you groups that are actively doing T3s, what would you say is the average amount of HP each normal mob type has? I think T1 and T2 its normally 5000-6000 after nerf. I was wondering if the same was still true for T3. Also, I would expect the 6 mob group mobs to have much higher HP, right?

[donnie]

I think it vary depending on the mobs family withen any tier , for example imps has really low HP , but buffalos on the other hand are high HP . In general my feeling is that 7x sets has more HP then 12x sets.

anyhow another question here , anyone has any specific strategy if you get frogs? charm move only charms 1 person so its not problem , our main problem is when they cast breakaga -.-; , hard to target the right frog in time to stun it. only solution I am thinking about is temp shaft from BLU or stunga from SCH.

[aznmajiktaru]

how exactly are you killing mobs?

In that situation, most frogs I've seen are blm sleepable so just pop es sleepga 2 then have your assists pick a frog (hopefully far apart from other assist) and split your group up to kill frogs(inlcuding split up blms). How many assists varies with how many people you have and it becomes a lot easier to see which frog is casting.

[amylea]

The frogs have really low def/HP, they went down real easy last time we got 'em with just 1 assist (We go with a more Melee burn setup). On another note, timed out to Khim at one fucking % the other day, last feather we needed for Odin.

[donnie]

got KB today , timed out on 35% , cause I have been told that he uses meteor as counter to WS or Nukes, so the fight took longer then it should be , I am thinking of cure spam while eating those instant metoer might work? anyone have killed him mind explain did they just zerg it? .

Anyhow there is a point where he spammed the whole screen to a point you cant really see what is happening " Dendainsonne is out of control!" , for about 2min . So i checked the chat log , and at that time , not even flash or dia III was casted on him , and no WS , which leads me to the point do you have to actually do nothing but meleeing so you dont get meteor? -.-

edit: thanks alot about ES sleepga II working on frogs , somehow a BLM told us they resisted ES , so we just assumed we cant sleep them -..-; we only got them once anyhow

[Serif]

What do people do with Bombs?

Just got a group with 12 of them, any suggestions or advice?

[Leeto]

What do people do with Bombs?

Just got a group with 12 of them, any suggestions or advice?

We haven't beaten a tier3 with unsleepable mobs yet, but really the only thing I can think of is a supertank (aegis/dring plds if you have any) with 4-5 people to voke mobs off with everybody 2houring as early as possible to lighten the load on the supertank quickly. Same concept for the dverger boss, because 20 demons that wake up every TP move is very hard to contain while 10 is managable with a decent number of blms and brds.

[Mertron]

Bombs weren't that much of a problem for us as far as being unsleepable was concerned, problem for us was they were unstunnable and preferred self-destruct to other tp moves. We kited them and pulled a couple off the kiter at a time. (Hate was kind of strange though, some bombs wandered away from the kiter anyway but we never had more than we could handle at once)

If your group does a meleeburn and has the bards available, I'd reccommend barfira/fire carol for meleeing the bombs, some will blow up on you and waiting 5 minutes for melees to unweak can kill the run pretty quick. We timed out with the Khimaira boss at 1 percent when we got the bombs, one more unweakened melee...

[Yusuka]

12 dogs, 12 demons, 12 soulflayers, 12 ahriman Behemoth Boss

lol

[Tomiko]

12 dogs then 12 demons then 12 soulflayers + 12 ahriman + Behemoth Boss

lol

Fixed.

Although I didn't see the Behemoth before we left unless you mean the real one.

[Ryko]

As mentioned, 12 doogs, then 12 Berserkr's then...
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/5...hittodozd7.jpg

As mentioned I didn't even see the boss. KB popped though so fuck it, at least we got guaranteed shitty abjurations.

[Liseth]

As mentioned, 12 doogs, then 12 Berserkr's then...
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/5...hittodozd7.jpg

As mentioned I didn't even see the boss. KB popped though so fuck it, at least we got guaranteed shitty abjurations.

Good god that looks nasty.

[Tomiko]

Good god that looks nasty.

Agreed. Hence the "drop glass". Although KB popping made that decision even easier

[Riios]

All that shit + KB is :/ especially if you're a smaller group. Soulflayers aren't that bad anymore tho, and it helps if you clear them 2nd. Last time we had pld pull soulflayers and kite around until aggro was inevitably lost, but it helps bards immensely. They are squishy and go down pretty fast. I think we usually switch to 1 assist on them too. Logis (single bombs, resist blm sleep) and Ormrs (shadow dragons) mobs are probably my least favorite tier 3 mobs.

[Mertron]

The Ahriman arent bad at all, we got them once and plowed through them. Only Level 5 Petrify is a problem but if one goes off it only lasts something like 5s? Soulflayer Tribulation sucks though.

[Tomiko]

All that shit + KB is :/ especially if you're a smaller group. Soulflayers aren't that bad anymore tho, and it helps if you clear them 2nd. Last time we had pld pull soulflayers and kite around until aggro was inevitably lost, but it helps bards immensely. They are squishy and go down pretty fast. I think we usually switch to 1 assist on them too. Logis (single bombs, resist blm sleep) and Ormrs (shadow dragons) mobs are probably my least favorite tier 3 mobs.

As Ryko mentioned, the boss hadn't even popped yet. KB was referring to King Behemoth (the real one). So that chamber could have only gotten worse since it seemed to be (at least?) 4 waves.

[Riios]

ah yeah lol, oops. yeah if was no boss up then boss + another wave probably would have spawned after those :/

[Jhun]

If you get 2 sets of mobs as first wave in wing 3 you will most likely face Motsognir and his demons as 2nd wave (finale wave+boss)since those demons considered a wave itself, happened for us 3 times.

[Xerlic]

Anyone have a list of the BLM Demons that pop with Motsognir. Got this dude last night and it was complete chaos due to no strat cuz our puller thought these were just the normal demons.

I'm pretty sure Hadding the Elder and Reifnir are both BLMs, but if anyone has the names of the others that would be appreciated.

[stinkypoo]

Got him back in September (haven't gotten him since) and built this list based on chat log screenshots after; might need double-checking:

BLMs

Bui
Hadding the Elder
Hjorvath
Reifner

DRKs

Brami
Hadding the Younger
Hrani
Tind

Melees/non-casters

Barri
Angantyr
Hervarth
Tyrfing