Zhayolm: 1F, 5F, 6F Poroggo Madames Info

[Wizerd]

Just thought I'd note that the leader of my JP shell said he read somewhere that 1F has a Madame as well, and it drops the Marduk head, and 6F would hold the two feet. He doesn't understand nor were there any screenshots or anything, but can someone look over the DAT file and see if it's possible for there to be a Madame on 1F?

Off to work I go, trying 5FN again in 40min.

[Gwynplaine]

I think that in order to begin eliminating what can and cant spawn 5FN madame some sort of risked experiment will be needed. Like it's been pointed out, the occasions where parties had witnessed the poroggo madame spawn after entering the floor most likely had members who used cells late. Meaning the madame is probably spawned at any point when the required cells are used.

This wouldn't be too hard to check as a first step. For instance, a group enters, fully unlocks weapon/JA/SJ/magic/equipment/HP/MP and then almost all stats. Instead however everyone holds one cell that will keep them from being fully unlocked. Something like CHR would work for most jobs, BRD could hold onto STR or whatever you like. Then enter 5F, go to the hallway before the room it spawns in, see if the madame is up. If it is then we can eliminate certain specific cells as requirements. If it isn't, take turns slowly using a cell each person and see if the madame spawns as a cell is used, and if so when and what cell.

A lot of groups might not be willing to blow a shot at loot yet but there might be some risk takers I'd do it but I don't think my group is willing to go back to Zhayolm just yet ><

[Gwynplaine]

Just thought I'd note that the leader of my JP shell said he read somewhere that 1F has a Madame as well, and it drops the Marduk head, and 6F would hold the two feet. He doesn't understand nor were there any screenshots or anything, but can someone look over the DAT file and see if it's possible for there to be a Madame on 1F?

Off to work I go, trying 5FN again in 40min.

What the fuck, it looks like there is one unless im not seeing right or confused. I counted the rest of the madames and all the rest are accounted for further down. This zone never fails to confound.

Vagrant Lindwurm
Vagrant Lindwurm
Vagrant Lindwurm
Vagrant Lindwurm
Mamool Ja Zenist
Poroggo Gent
Bull Bugard
Bull Bugard
Bull Bugard
Bull Bugard
Bull Bugard
Bull Bugard
Bull Bugard
Bull Bugard
Bull Bugard
Bull Bugard
Bull Bugard
Bull Bugard
Bull Bugard
Bull Bugard
Bull Bugard
Bull Bugard
Mamool Ja Zenist
Poroggo Gent
Poroggo Madame
Draco Lizard
Draco Lizard
Draco Lizard
Draco Lizard
Draco Lizard
Draco Lizard
Draco Lizard
Draco Lizard
Mamool Ja Zenist
Draco Lizard

[-Zer0-]

Hmm, it can't be too hard to find out with invested time compared to the other Madames if you think about it. I've never spawned the Gents with my group but I'm going to go out on a limb and say maybe kill both at the same time for starters :wink:

[recuperi]

i thought i remembered somebody saying that one popped by killing all 4 gents on 1F

[aurik]

Reproduced a madame pop today doing the same run as yesterday, except this time we didn't kill 10' staring into space on floor 4, and went up at 56:45.

Tomorrow we will probably do the same run except go up immediately when unlocked instead of killing everything.

[Kaylia]

Vagrant Lindwurm
Vagrant Lindwurm
Vagrant Lindwurm
Vagrant Lindwurm
Mamool Ja Zenist
Poroggo Gent
Bull Bugard
Bull Bugard
Bull Bugard
Bull Bugard
Bull Bugard
Bull Bugard
Bull Bugard
Bull Bugard
Bull Bugard
Bull Bugard
Bull Bugard
Bull Bugard
Bull Bugard
Bull Bugard
Bull Bugard
Bull Bugard
Mamool Ja Zenist
Poroggo Gent
Poroggo Madame
Draco Lizard
Draco Lizard
Draco Lizard
Draco Lizard
Draco Lizard
Draco Lizard
Draco Lizard
Draco Lizard
Mamool Ja Zenist
Draco Lizard

Wtf. I find hard to believe no one ever noticed that madame in the .dat on 1st floor. Beside clearing the whole floor, I can't think of anything else

1st floor= ares or morrigan
6th floor= ares or morrigan
5th floor= other 3 pieces?

[aurik]

It's between 1st and 2nd floor, and people seem to agree it is the 2F socket madame.

[Mojo]

Should be easy to figure that out. Rename it and when you pop the frog on your next run, see if it's the changed name or a different name. You could also make a total of all those that are included in the DAT and then compare it to all those that are known.

Edit: There are 8 in the DATs.

[buddhabn]

Hmmm I have a good theory for spawning 6th floor madame. Kill chariot within a certain amount of time upon entering floor. Would make sense since it would make it harder to zerg chariot when you pull it and a billion gears spawn after pull. Also its another good reason why the chariot is a beast to kill.

[Gwynplaine]

The second floor socket madame is placed very clearly after Jakko though
while this one is placed very clearly immediately after floor1. I'm trying to refrain from posting the entire dat list so I'll just link to the original threads list:
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=14606&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=30

The person wrote in that it should be the socket nm but this was very long ago when info was bare. There are 8 listed total:
1 poroggo madame after all 1F mobs.
1 poroggo madame after Jakko on 2F for the socket.
1 poroggo madame after all of 3F mobs. 3F madame can spawn either north or south and has different drops, but as Aurik/LW's group confirmed only one madame can spawn on 3F if you clear the entire floor. So it is really just the one.
2 poroggo madames after all of 4F mobs.
2 poroggo madames after all of 5F mobs.
1 poroggo madame after all 6F mobs.

I'm surprised myself, and I was about to raz Wizerd and POIDH up and down until I checked.

[aurik]

3F madame can spawn either north or south and has different drops, but as Aurik/LW's group confirmed only one madame can spawn on 3F if you clear the entire floor. So it is really just the one.

Doesn't mean there's only one entry

[Gwynplaine]

There is just the one entry for 3F though.

Anyways, I suppose like the earlier poster said, an easy way to see for sure would be to number them with a dat edit and see which the socket NM is. Luckily the socket NM has recently come back into fashion.

[Jedite]

Since Ares and Morrigan 15's drop together, Usukane, Skadi, Marduk 15's drop together.

And now it's proven that Usukane, Skadi and Marduk 35 pieces drop from the same frog. It would probably be safe to assume that 35 Morrigan and Ares drop together. Which of course leads one to ask where the 35 Marduk head comes from. This 1st floor frog thing is interesting and 35 pieces drop in SS 1st floor and BR 1st floor, it wouldn't be too farfetched to think that the same could happen in ZR.

[Roy]

but both floor3 frogs have different drops so it wouldn't make sense to have them share a dat entry

[Jedite]

Aren't there those super mobs in the first floor? Maybe killing all of them?

[tymora]

1???????????????????
2????????????2~5????????????????
3?????????????
4??????????
???5??????????????POP???????
?????3???????5???POP???
???????????????3????????5?????????
?FA??????????
????5??????????2????POP?????

A JP Run record:
1F - Cleared 4 mobs from middle room + (1?) extra cockatrice + (1-4??)corridor mamool + 1 more magic cockatrice
2F - Cleared NE + 2 to 5 mobs from each of the other rooms to get 4 pieces of equips
3F - Cleared 3 small rooms only
4F - Only hit rampart to port
5F - Madame up on port

People with completely cleared Pathos = 3. Claimed that 3 is the pop condition (but that would disagree with Kaino's first run)
Suggests that 5FS is 2 people+ clear. (Not sure what FA is referring to)

Pretty minimalist run, a little bit different from what we did so far.

[Wizerd]

I just completed a Zhayolm run myself. We unlocked 6 members, and mostly unlocked the 7th but not quite (missing Abilities, Weapon, Head).

Madame was up on port, and dropped nothing. We had about 30min left, so we went and killed the boss. Engaged with I think 12 minutes left, and ended up killing it with 8 seconds left. Usukane head and body, both were lotted and passed with 1 second left, to appropriate players. XD (Sorta, but close enough, the people have them leveled). It was pretty epic.

Anyway, this discussion about the 1F/2F Madame thing, I thought of changing the DATs before I entered. The socket Madame was #2... Also, the 5FN Madame was #7.

So in conclusion, yes there should be a Madame on 1F.

[tymora]

If 1st floor...what has been done so far? (Sorry not gonna dig through the previous thread)

1. Complete clear of all 4 branches? Including 4 x gents?
2. Kill the correct Gent according to day? (Take a guess...Well 4 directions, 8 elements)

No matter how you look at it, the Gents look awfully suspicious.

[alphacat]

What about the mamools? I find them to be the most interesting part of 1F.