Zhayolm: 1F, 5F, 6F Poroggo Madames Info

[tymora]

How about % Pathos?

More people need to unlock more cells?

[Gwynplaine]

Did a run last night where everyone had Weapon/Head/Body/Hands/Waist/Feet/Magic/Abilities/Subs/HP, 2 people missing Rings, 4 missing Ranged, and several people missing random stat cells (one or two stats at most per person, at least two people fully unlocked), no pop. This was with 9 people, probably going back tonight with 6 since we're 0/2 on popping it with more than that.

your pathos :

3x9=27 from easy one : magic/ability/Sj

3-5 ppl unlocked equippement (prolly not 5)

2-6 ppl unlocked stats (prolly not 6) ( you had only 6 int)

that's at least 32 pathos unlocked and 38 maximum

considering ppl can pop it with a group of 6 ppl unlocked (30 pathos), this proves that the total # of pathos doesn't count.

I'm guessing only equippement and/or stat pathos count (pretty low in your group) ie those that are hard to get and are farmed on 2F and 3F. If that's the case it can't be more than 6 equip and 6 stats.

His info seems a little rough, but it does definately seem like that's over, or even well over the normal 6 party 30 pathos spawn requirement. It's probably best to see if another group or two has the same results. Unless someone else has different results then pathos = 30 or more unlocked is not the spawn condition. And since a few groups have spawned it without rings or ranged, your right it does hint toward the stat, or equip cells more.

Things to be considered to confirm or test:
-Person who enters salvage being fully unlocked spawns the madame. False.
-Fully unlocked person who uses teleporter to floor 5 spawns the madame. False.
-At least one person fully unlocked spawns the madame. False.
-At least two people fully unlocked spawns the madame. False.
-At least three people fully unlocked spawns the madame.
-At least four people fully unlocked spawns the madame. False.
-At least five people fully unlocked spawns the madame.
-At least six people fully unlocked spawns the madame.
-At least a certain amount of pathos unlocked total spawns the madame. False
-At least a certain amount of specific cells unlocked total spawns the madame.
-Manner in which the madame can be spawned depends on the day you enter (indirectly relating to the rampart you use to get to 5F).
-Amount of pathos' unlocked to spawn madame differs between day entered.
-Type of pathos' unlocked needed to spawn madame differs between day entered.
-Certain amount of cells or pathos' must be unlocked, AND entering the floor within a specific time span spawns the madame.

Edit: This also may disprove that at least so many cells need to be used total. It's a little hard to say how many they used from the info, it seems like at least 111 cells. A party of 6 people will use 120 cells to totally unlock everyone. Depending on how many people used how many stat cells they probably did reach the 120 cell mark, since 111 only includes 2/9 people unlocked fully.

[Slott]

Took minamilist approach, killed only what we needed to on each floor, 5th floor popped. (north)

[Narse]

Took minamilist approach, killed only what we needed to on each floor, 5th floor popped. (north)

"only what we needed to" can mean a variety of things. How about explaining a little more?

[Slott]

full pathos clear for 6, didnt clear entire rooms on 2nd floor or entire south.

[Redice]

Full unlock for 5/7
Missing Ring for one
Missing abi zzz and stopped farming for stats for them.

Up on entry and fight now /cheer

edit no drop =/

[Julian]

6/6 all fully unlocked, pop

skipped everything we didn't have to kill for drops

edit: madame no drop

got mnk body and blm pants from boss though, so all good

[Gwynplaine]

Full unlock for 5/7
Missing Ring for one
Missing abi zzz and stopped farming for stats for them.

Up on entry and fight now /cheer

I'm sounding needier with every post, but can you list your unlocked and locked cells of the whole party in detail please? Would help a great deal considering you used less than 6 members fully unlocked.

[Redice]

Full unlock for 5/7
Missing Ring for one
Missing abi zzz and stopped farming for stats for them.

Up on entry and fight now /cheer

I'm sounding needier with every post, but can you list your unlocked and locked cells of the whole party in detail please? Would help a great deal considering you used less than 6 members fully unlocked.

5 Fully unlocked

1 Full equip unlocked
Magic unlocked
SJ unlocked
Full stats unlocked
MISSING Ability

Magic Unlocked
SJ Unlocked
Full Stats Unlocked
Ability Unlocked
MISSING Ring equip
Rest equip unlocked

So Missing 1 Ring 1 Ability.

[Arthars]

and nothing dropped!!!!

FU GUYS THAT SAY ITS HIGH RATE >_<

i even /kneel and face SE too

and earth weather was around when we hit 5F N

[Gwynplaine]

Ok thanks, that's how it sounded in your first post but I just wanted to check explicitly lol.

Hmmm again all stats and most equip are unlocked.

[Arthars]

however i am certain we got enough ring cells, just that 1 went into waste due to mistake

and 1 ability missing because she didnt roll and went into waste as well -_-

so final mini summary of our run:
1. 5/7 unlock, missing 1 ring, 1 abi for each respective member. Ring and Abi is enough tho, but they didnt roll due to mistake
2. Enter 5F around 80th min
3. Earth Weather is around
4. Entered at water day, killed 2nd rampart
5. NO FUCKING DROP

[Judai]

and nothing dropped!!!!

FU GUYS THAT SAY ITS HIGH RATE >_<

i even /kneel and face SE too

and earth weather was around when we hit 5F N

IS THIS THE JP SECRET!! guess not since you didn't get dorp, lol..

[Zarath]

hmmm I wonder if the possible pop req is what kind of pathos is unlocked, rather than how many people have it unlocked. Like X, X, and/or X pathos needs to be unlocked on all members to get it to pop?

Throwing more possible tangents into the fire <<;.

[Arthars]

and nothing dropped!!!!

FU GUYS THAT SAY ITS HIGH RATE >_<

i even /kneel and face SE too

and earth weather was around when we hit 5F N

IS THIS THE JP SECRET!! guess not since you didn't get dorp, lol..

this works on BCNM ONLY!

[Arthars]

anyway 1F has a madame right?

ima go try something crazy like:

kill only all 4 mamool and drink up all 18x4 dusty potion

its crazy but thats what SE is good at!

wait for my news!!

[Jaceot]

Zhayolm obviously = the sin remnants.

floor 1 = gluttony (drink 72 potions) /!\
Floor 2 = greed/envy (wanting more cells)
Floor 3 = wrath (kill everything)
Floor 4 = sloth (well anti sloth...)
floor 5 = Pride (cant stand to be too weak)
floor 6 = lust (have everyone get naked and use lucid emotes) /!\

woohoo for reading too much into things

[aurik]

Fully unpathos'd at 40 minutes, ported up to 5f, frog up, no drop. Time isn't a factor.

[Wizerd]

I think you guys are reading way too far into this.

I said it before and I'll say it again - aside from a few reports which may be erroneous (either due to the poster posting incorrect information, or more likely due to one or two members in a run not using cells they got, when they didn't think they needed them (MP, CHR for meleee, etc) and not realizing the importance), it looks like the pop is either 3 or 4 fully unlocked members.

Anyway, tomorrow when I go with my group (which is usually between 9-12 people), I will be clearing all of 1F to try and pop Madame, and then going with 4-6 fully cleared members to 5FN to kill the Madame. After that sometime, I'm gonna try a 3FS, 4FS, 5FS clear and port up to 6F to see if the Madame is up. If no one else is gonna try these out, I will, since 5FN is pretty much solved already.

There's no reason to risk not popping 5FN to find minimalist pop information when you already have to clear the NE room on 2F anyway, and that's the only place your cells are gonna come short. If you get fucked, you get fucked, go North anyway and if it's not up, just do the boss. (Hell, do the boss if it pops anyway. 5FN Madame is just a detour if your group is good.)

We have 3 lv35 pieces left to find, let's hop to it.

Also, just for people who keep skipping over posts in this thread:
Socket Madame is #2, 4FS Madame is #4, 5FN Madame is #7 (in the DAT listing).

[Narse]

anyway 1F has a madame right?

ima go try something crazy like:

kill only all 4 mamool and drink up all 18x4 dusty potion

its crazy but thats what SE is good at!

wait for my news!!

Actually, I've never even heard of a group clearing this entire floor. My guess is that this is where the NM tallying was faulty in the patch notes when Salvage came out a long time ago. I mean, how would SE have realized that the counting was wrong when concerning a 6th floor NM when nobody was even getting close to getting there?

On the other hand, I'm sure people were fully clearing the first floor in Zhayolm cause they didn't know what to do, and since this was misinterpretted in the .DATs as the 2nd floor Madame, and since nothing was popping initially when people cleared this floor, the first floor madame became 'lost' to us. I'll try to do a full clear on this floor tomorrow and see what we get, but I'm sure someone can do it before me. There's plenty of time to do this whole floor + pop/kill 5th floor Madame.