Zhayolm: 1F, 5F, 6F Poroggo Madames Info

[Gwynplaine]

A minimum number of pathos being removed has been proven to not be the cause of madame spawning

[Forbidden16]

Need groups that are willing to retry 5FN madame with just unlocking 3 persons again, and have new reports to keep narrowing down minimum requirements. There is a possibility the previous runs might have had an erroneous count or weren't fully aware of what meant "full Pathos" such as MP/HP or w/e. So please post if anyone can confirm a NEW failed pop with 3 members at least fully unlocked of every single Pathos.

[Akroma_Seraph]

Now that I am actually reading through the starting post your absolutely right. There has to be something solid for the pop condition though.

I think next run we are going to try to do a normal run like we where doing before, fully unlocking 2 people and unlocking a large majority of everything else. We never even checked to see if the floor 5 NM where ever up, so we don't even know if we were poping it before without knowing.

[Lordwafik]

In regards to the devil ziz, I've found it much more safer to just have everyone invis, skip that, and come back to do that room as the last room. We've gotten too many 1 shottings happening and it's lame

Hell, when we go with 4 people we just skip that room completely.

[Marinka]

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Fifth Floor North Froggy.

200% drop rate so far. 1 kill, 2 drops.
Was a great couple of days for the LS, got Usukane 35 Feet on our other run, 3/3 Gulliblesap (2/5 Full Usukane, Legs and Feet now), and yesterday Quesela got 35 Morrigan Cuffs from Gate Widow.

[Arthars]

2/1(you) VS 0/2(me)

priceless

[Wizerd]

2/1(you) VS 0/2(me)

priceless

<- 0/1

[Arthars]

welcome to the club

/comfort orz

[Ruin]

Regarding 6F madame (macha's pigaches plz)

Idea atm is kill a madame every floor to get it to pop? And noone has attempted to kill 2F,3F,4F,5F and been able to check if its spawned? (I do realize madame on 1F hasnt been popped yet either) Just trying to see what we got if anything on 6F madame. Our Ls plans to mess with Zha soon mainly for boss, want to try and see what we can do for popping 6F otw up.

[Wizerd]

Regarding 6F madame (macha's pigaches plz)

Idea atm is kill a madame every floor to get it to pop? And noone has attempted to kill 2F,3F,4F,5F and been able to check if its spawned? (I do realize madame on 1F hasnt been popped yet either) Just trying to see what we got if anything on 6F madame. Our Ls plans to mess with Zha soon mainly for boss, want to try and see what we can do for popping 6F otw up.

The idea right now is to kill 3FS, 4FS, and 5FS Madames, since they currently serve no real purpose, and all drop chests. 2F might be a condition also, but I doubt it since it's a Socket NM.

3FS: Kill all south wing mobs on 3F.
4FS: Arrive at 4FS within 47 minutes of starting.
5FS: Arrive at 5FS with 2 members fully unlocked, 0 pathos remaining.

This isn't an easy task, because clearing 3FS takes time, requiring you to sacrafice time elsewhere - like 2F. But that's needed to get to 5FS fully unlocked. The only way I can see doing it is with a group of 6, only needing the 4 inner rooms on 1F, to make an exit within 10 minutes, clear NE room, pull mobs from each room until you get 1 that drops (better to use widescan to pick the top mob in each of the packs near the door, it'll drop), then port up. This should give you 15-20 minutes to clear 3FS, which is enough time. Today my group arrived at 3FS with I think 11 minutes to clear it, and managed to do so in 14-15min, so not quite.

You can forgo armor in 2F if you're feeling lucky, since there are 8 Poroggo Gents on 4FS that drop armor in sets of 3, and can drop between 0-2 blocks of cells. The cells it can drop are any of the Armor pieces, or MP, making 8 (Doesn't include weapon). There are 3 HP, and 3 of each stat among the 4 Mamool Ja on the floor too, in case one of your two fully unlock people fuck up and need one of those. 5FS has no time limit, but a good run would be able to kill it, then kill 6FS, and have time to kill the boss too, I think.

Good luck, if you try it. I may try again tomorrow if my group doesn't exceed 8.

[Xerlic]

So please post if anyone can confirm a NEW failed pop with 3 members at least fully unlocked of every single Pathos.

Probably won't see too much of this happening this early in the game until people get their fill of 5f N drops. I know my group isn't willing to give up a shot at the 35s in the name of science.

My Salvage group has now split up into 2 groups (afternoon and night), and I know that the night group led by Avinor managed to pop the 5f N Madame with a largish group of people (9). I'm almost positive he didn't have time to get full unlocks on everyone since they needed to pop the 3f N madame for cuffs, so maybe he can post some info as to who exactly was pathos free.

[mdkuser]

Regarding 6F madame (macha's pigaches plz)

3FS: Kill all south wing mobs on 3F.
4FS: Arrive at 4FS within 47 minutes of starting.
5FS: Arrive at 5FS with 2 members fully unlocked, 0 pathos remaining.

This isn't an easy task, because clearing 3FS takes time, requiring you to sacrafice time elsewhere - like 2F. But that's needed to get to 5FS fully unlocked. The only way I can see doing it is with a group of 6, only needing the 4 inner rooms on 1F, to make an exit within 10 minutes, clear NE room, pull mobs from each room until you get 1 that drops (better to use widescan to pick the top mob in each of the packs near the door, it'll drop), then port up. This should give you 15-20 minutes to clear 3FS, which is enough time. Today my group arrived at 3FS with I think 11 minutes to clear it, and managed to do so in 14-15min, so not quite.

It doesn't seem that hard actually, my group has done something similar on boss runs, with 8-9 people.

1F we farmed 4 inner rooms+ first room each wing.
2F:2 mobs from each room+ clear first room u port in. PRAY to get 2 of each cell ( should be the case..)
3F: farm all mamools .

I remember doing it and porting to 4F at 55 minutes mark, so we were only 5 minutes late. We never killed rampart or madamme 3f though, and we did that only when we dont get ranged after the first NE room, since when we get it, we dont farm armors for the boss. Could save time of 1F since its not a boss run.

Btw, do the mamools of 4F south drop cells, and do you get to load another version of the floor if you kill the wrong rampart? What about gents? IF so then you could theoretically skip most of 2F and farm missing cells on 4F...

[Shadida]

On 4FS the other ramparts don't despawn when you pick one - the portal just stays locked til you kill the right one. So you can't reload the floor.

[Minions]

On 4FS the other ramparts don't despawn when you pick one - the portal just stays locked till you kill the right one. So you can't reload the floor.

This is correct, I read the wiki and it said it would reload the floor if you killed the wrong one. Yet it never did on the South side.

[Wizerd]

Regarding 6F madame (macha's pigaches plz)

3FS: Kill all south wing mobs on 3F.
4FS: Arrive at 4FS within 47 minutes of starting.
5FS: Arrive at 5FS with 2 members fully unlocked, 0 pathos remaining.

This isn't an easy task, because clearing 3FS takes time, requiring you to sacrafice time elsewhere - like 2F. But that's needed to get to 5FS fully unlocked. The only way I can see doing it is with a group of 6, only needing the 4 inner rooms on 1F, to make an exit within 10 minutes, clear NE room, pull mobs from each room until you get 1 that drops (better to use widescan to pick the top mob in each of the packs near the door, it'll drop), then port up. This should give you 15-20 minutes to clear 3FS, which is enough time. Today my group arrived at 3FS with I think 11 minutes to clear it, and managed to do so in 14-15min, so not quite.

It doesn't seem that hard actually, my group has done something similar on boss runs, with 8-9 people.

1F we farmed 4 inner rooms+ first room each wing.
2F:2 mobs from each room+ clear first room u port in. PRAY to get 2 of each cell ( should be the case..)
3F: farm all mamools .

I remember doing it and porting to 4F at 55 minutes mark, so we were only 5 minutes late. We never killed rampart or madamme 3f though, and we did that only when we dont get ranged after the first NE room, since when we get it, we dont farm armors for the boss. Could save time of 1F since its not a boss run.

Btw, do the mamools of 4F south drop cells, and do you get to load another version of the floor if you kill the wrong rampart? What about gents? IF so then you could theoretically skip most of 2F and farm missing cells on 4F...

Arriving at the 55 minute mark means you were 8 minutes late, which is a big deal when it comes to time crunching.

[Arthars]

looks like this 2 drop easier than skadi

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Thundaga III pwned me as meat sacrifice, but all worth it

2/3!

taking back my word. This shit indeed drops more often than chariot lol

i'm like 3/50 chariots

anyway port to 6F, killed 2 rampart without touching chariot. No madame. Just a mini test.

[suji]

Can we safely put the "overpowered stealth NM's" idea to rest then?

I don't really see why we should. There's already precedent for something happening when you kill a mob in a certain mode like the flans in bhaflau for the rampart, and I've never heard of any cockatrice going nuts on someone outside of Salvage when silenced but then again, who silences cockatrice besides my retarded NPC?

Just to continue with this line of thought for a second: Maybe all of the mob types on the floor have a rage trigger and we just haven't seen it?

Cockatrice can Silence so Silence is the trigger
Bugards have STR down, so maybe Absorb-STR them?
Puk have AOE flash, so maybe flash them?
Raptors can Slow, so maybe Slow them?

The good thing is, at least this is all very easy to disprove so not much time will be wasted on it.

[aurik]

My LS is collectively 0/6 so fuck you guys and your drops.

[Kirschy]

Can we safely put the "overpowered stealth NM's" idea to rest then?

I don't really see why we should. There's already precedent for something happening when you kill a mob in a certain mode like the flans in bhaflau for the rampart, and I've never heard of any cockatrice going nuts on someone outside of Salvage when silenced but then again, who silences cockatrice besides my retarded NPC?

Just to continue with this line of thought for a second: Maybe all of the mob types on the floor have a rage trigger and we just haven't seen it?

Cockatrice can Silence so Silence is the trigger
Bugards have STR down, so maybe Absorb-STR them?
Puk have AOE flash, so maybe flash them?
Raptors can Slow, so maybe Slow them?

The good thing is, at least this is all very easy to disprove so not much time will be wasted on it.

I made a post on the last page about this. The other mobs are unable to rage by any normal means. I tried everything from bind, blind, para, poison, slow, abs spells, aspir, drain, stun, etc... Unable to get any of the other mobs to rage. The Ziz in Mamool do hit harder when proc'd with silence. It's some kind of unique trait. The ones in Zhaloym gain a MUCH bigger increase in attack/base damage. Silence from WS or Spell causes the rage. Gravity does not cause them to rage, so it is specific to Silence.

[Shadida]

My LS is collectively 0/6 so fuck you guys and your drops.

We feel your pain.