Zhayolm: 1F, 5F, 6F Poroggo Madames Info

[Suiram]

So it wasn't triggered simply by killing the mamool, the gent, or any intervening enemies? It also wasn't up immediately after opening the portal to the 2nd floor? (NE as usual?) I'm assuming once you popped the chest you started using cells? You said "At some point later" it was up, how did you notice, just luck?

It seems that everyone in that picture had weapon unlocked (except possibly __adherk, I can't tell). If it is related to clearing either the gent or mamool with some cell condition as the fanfest info suggests, is it possible it popped after everyone used incus, the cell corresponding to the wing you killed them in, perhaps someone noticed they hadn't used their weapon cell while you were fighting Ziz or something (similar to what happened a couple times in early 5th floor runs)?

[aurik]

So it wasn't triggered simply by killing the mamool, the gent, or any intervening enemies? It also wasn't up immediately after opening the portal to the 2nd floor? (NE as usual?) I'm assuming once you popped the chest you started using cells? You said "At some point later" it was up, how did you notice, just luck?

It seems that everyone in that picture had weapon unlocked (except possibly __adherk, I can't tell). If it is related to clearing either the gent or mamool with some cell condition as the fanfest info suggests, is it possible it popped after everyone used incus, the cell corresponding to the wing you killed them in, perhaps someone noticed they hadn't used their weapon cell while you were fighting Ziz or something (similar to what happened a couple times in early 5th floor runs)?

Wasn't triggered by killing stuff, apparently not by opening door. We're not quite sure exactly when it popped; we were surprised to see it up, actually, since we'd given up on it when we went to Ziz.

Reproduction with a mule on the chest location watching should nail down the condition exactly.

[Croaker]

We killed 1st madame. We cleared SE path, puks. Killed Gent. Madame was up when we went back towards start.

We followed that up with 5th and 6th madame. Usuakane drop on 5th. No drops on others.

Best news about this frog so far is it counts towards the NM kills. This means you can save a lot of time by not having to clear the 3rd floor to kill that madame.

[aurik]

We killed 1st madame. We cleared SE path, puks. Killed Gent. Madame was up when we went back towards start.

We followed that up with 5th and 6th madame. Usuakane drop on 5th. No drops on others.

Best news about this frog so far is it counts towards the NM kills. This means you can save a lot of time by not having to clear the 3rd floor to kill that madame.

What dropped? Did you open the door and go up the southeast? When did you use any cells?

[Croaker]

We killed 1st madame. We cleared SE path, puks. Killed Gent. Madame was up when we went back towards start.

We followed that up with 5th and 6th madame. Usuakane drop on 5th. No drops on others.

Best news about this frog so far is it counts towards the NM kills. This means you can save a lot of time by not having to clear the 3rd floor to kill that madame.

What dropped? Did you open the door and go up the southeast? When did you use any cells?

Was no drop on 1st madame.

We did not open the SE door. Just claered SE up to the and including the gent, then backtracked. Madame was in the first hallway where the item chest was.

We used the cells after engaging the madame. We were afraid to use the cells for fear that it might depop, but was impossible to kill her without dots.

We went up NE after we got the cells we needed.

[Indalecia]

Is it just a 100% placeholder mob? Just used to pop the 6th(?) madame?

[Lordwafik]

Is it just a 100% placeholder mob? Just used to pop the 6th(?) madame?

Considering auriks group got a drop from it (Nemain's cuffs), I wouldn't say it's a placeholder yet. Although the drop is shared with other frogs pools, I wonder if it has the potential to drop any of the lvl15s (or even 35s?)

[Stromgarde]

Nemain's Cuffs being a 15 piece, perhaps the 1F Madame, like the miniboss chariot in Bhaflau just has a highish chance of dropping 15 pieces?

[Hanyoko]

since the other floor NM is spawned on using a cell. Perhaps the condition is the following.

If its the first cell used and one or more gents were defeated. Spawn the NM

Best case I can come up with given the current information.

*edit* nevermind just saw the other post

Either way: Salvage is now 100% figured out \^.^/

[Soraan]

So how long did it take you guys to completely clear floor 1 (well, wing, gent, madame, cells you needed, port up)?

[mackerel]

It's not exactly 100% figured out, but what's left is trivial.
We still don't know if it's possible to pop 1F madame more than once (clear 1 wing + madame + another wing without using cells), and the exact condition for popping 1F (no weapon cells to pop madame in the puk wing, or no cells at all).

Any other lingering minor details I'm missing?

[Neosutra]

How hard is this madame in comparison to others? Alot of HP? Pain in the ass? I havent met a madame yet I didnt hate.

[Croaker]

So how long did it take you guys to completely clear floor 1 (well, wing, gent, madame, cells you needed, port up)?

The SE wing + Gent about 15 minutes
Madame about 10 mintes
Farming other cells about 10 minutes

Total time on 1st floor was a about 35 minutes.

How hard is this madame in comparison to others? Alot of HP? Pain in the ass? I havent met a madame yet I didnt hate.

Seemed like less HP, still charms, it never cast any AOE or death. Pretty similar to the 2nd floor frog you get from trading cells.

It was easier overall, but I don't think it would be possible to kill without using your cells. After Charmga you need to either kite or have DoT on it to keep it from regenning to 100%. DoT isnt possible without cells and I don't think anyone fully gimed could kite very long.

Using the cells negates the possiblity of clearing another wing and popping a second frog. However, what might still be possible is clearing more than 1 wing before engaging the Madame to increase level and percentage of drops.

[Kaylia]

I hope you can use weapon cell to pop it or something, no mnk in my group.

[Pendas]

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Hurray for figuring out the pop condition 2 months ago! Epiphany ftw!

[Seditedi]

doubt u can pop more than 1... can't pop 3fn and 3fs in same run.

[TB]

So whats the people's opinion about 1F madame? Can it be used to save some time when doing a 5F,6F,Boss run?

[Gwynplaine]

It seems like it would depend on the jobs (and amount of hi potions) available. If you have a mnk, or better yet two I would think so, otherwise perhaps not. 10-15 extra minutes for 1F madame and a shot at a 15 armor seems like a good deal. Obtaining the 15 would otherwise require a dedication of considerable time equal to probably doing one of the 35 armor NM's.

In addition the 1F madame can replace one of the NM's required to spawn 6F. 3FS would be the obvious choice to cut out farming 12 mamool ja that link, the archaic rampart, any pets the BST's and rampart spawn, and a more difficult madame. Likewise if you don't have boatloads of Silver Seas cards at your disposal, you could use it to replace Jakko.

[Wizerd]

It seems like it would depend on the jobs (and amount of hi potions) available. If you have a mnk, or better yet two I would think so, otherwise perhaps not. 10-15 extra minutes for 1F madame and a shot at a 15 armor seems like a good deal. Obtaining the 15 would otherwise require a dedication of considerable time equal to probably doing one of the 35 armor NM's.

In addition the 1F madame can replace one of the NM's required to spawn 6F. 3FS would be the obvious choice to cut out farming 12 mamool ja that link, the archaic rampart, any pets the BST's and rampart spawn, and a more difficult madame. Likewise if you don't have boatloads of Silver Seas cards at your disposal, you could use it to replace Jakko.

When we tried it, we had about 7 hi-potions total among us. Bad idea. The Dusty Potion x18 hardly lasted us til the end of the wing, with 2 MNKs and 2 WARs meleeing, and the Poroggo Gent at the end hits for a good 60-80 per hit, 100 with criticals. We ended up having to use magic cells to kill it, but held off in Weapon cells, so we proved that just not using the cell of that wing doesn't work, it's any cell altogether.

We might try again when we have more hi-potions, like 10-20 each type thing.

[Clynt]

So you can't use any cells until the Poroggo Madame is dead? And someone said they didn't get it to pop right away until they went off to do a different wing and came back and it was up? Do you have to clear a whole wing without using any of the cells from that wing or no cells period until you clear a wing? If so, you'd clear SE wing since it's right where you go in? We don't have any Silver Sea cards so I was trying to figure out this 1F poroggo so we can do that one instead for 35s. Thanks.