Zhayolm: 1F, 5F, 6F Poroggo Madames Info

[aurik]

So on your run only one of your members had full equip since only 1 ring dropped?
And 3/4 mamools on 1F were killed, hmmm.

No they killed all 4 Mamools.

They killed the 4FN Mamools though, I don't think any of the pop groups have? But I'm posting this on the fly and need to look over the thread again.

The original group killed the 6 on 4FN. My goal was essentially to reproduce our failed run from yesterday that arrived at 5F at 59:, instead we arrived at 64:

[Forbidden16]

Yea missed the mamool you mentioned after. So with two people fully unlocked failed to pop again, did any of them happened to be the "leader" and "porter"?

Things to take off the list:

- If Madame pops with at least person who entered group fully unlocked and also being porter to 5F.
- Full Pathos clear of at least 3 members including the person who entered.

It seems so far there has not been a run that has missed the Madame pop by having at least:
- 4 member Pathos cleared.
- 1F Mamools x4 killed.
- 2F and 3FS Mamools cleared.

And reading above posts, two runs failed to pop after killing Gents on 4F:
- Wizerd's group, but we just had two members fully unlocked, not including "leader" for port up, and it had already failed for others with only two.
- Avinor's (who didn't had at least 1 person fully unlocked).

Correct any wrong info I might have gotten from the above posted, but otherwise testing from there could lead to find a solid condition.

EDIT: Aurik had posted a run on page 3 that had met all the "conditions" I had listed as "working" above and yet failed to pop... with 6 members fully unlocked

Attempted to reproduce this. Failed.

Here's what we did:
Entered late on Iceday, 77%~ Waxing moon

1F) 4 inner rooms, then 4 MMJ. Opened door before the last Mamool died.
Port @ ~15
2F) NE NW SW SE full clear. Did NOT pop the card NM. Did not open any doors manually
Port @ 35
3F) All south mamools + pets. Did NOT touch rampart or madame. Opened door last.
Port North @ 45
4F) All 6 mamools, opened door, 3rd rampart, Marid.
Port @ 59
5F) No frog, trained the floor, still no frog after opening the door
Port @ ~64
6F) Cleared the floor entirely, no frog
Port @ ~78

We had 6 of 7 completely unlocked.

[mdkuser]

I was the one to get Freyr's legs in Uzor's run, and I'm 3/3 yes! Sadly it's the first 35 skadi peice we see over 8 month...lol. Well it's the best one so i'm still happy Other than that we are crawling under skadi boss drops lol, got like 15 body and 10 head >.>;
im 1/3 head (25) 2/2 body and hand, 3/3 leg, 1/3 feet (15 part), and I'm the only skadi person >.>

Details of the run:

1F: killed center puk room, mamool, another puk room+ 1 extra puk from 3rd.
killed center ziz room (our drk died to a crazy ziz here if it matters).
killed center bugard room, mamool, then other bugard room.
killed center raptor room, mamool, then other raptor room.
backtrack to Ziz wing, kill mamool, then 1 ziz room. port up (NE).
time: dunno, maybe 20 ish minutes.

2F: wiped every room, starting from NE, going clockwise, didnt open doors manually. Warp up 40-45 ish (?)

3F: killed all mamoolja south path, didn't touch rampart nor madamme. We killed the last mamool right before 60min mark. 2 people were fully unlocked ( yes including HP/MP/SJ/ABI/MAGIC, all stats and all armors even ranged), and many were close to fully unlocked (was missing 1 myself). Port up North on 4F at about 63mn since noone waited at tele.

4F: Waited for 2mn for uzor to find his notes to know which rampart to kill lol. Entered late water, it was wind day. Invisible past the mamools and kill 2nd rampart, no marid. Open door and warp ( yes he didn't open door before rampart was dead).

5F: madamme up. \(^_^)/

6F: meh people weren't concentrated after this epic drop so didn't have time to clear 6F: with I think 15 left? started by killing 2 rampart+ 1 manticore, no pop. Then sacced the chariot, no pop. Then kill random gears, not pop. lol.

The RDM was fully unlocked and is always the one that open doors and warps us up.

[Kaino]

Sorry for such a late response to whoever asked earlier. One our 2nd run which did not pop mammol the person who entered the salvage as well as the person who ported to 5 had pathos. It is also true during our first run there was 2 people who were not completly unlocked making our first run 5/7 people unlocked.

Also Yay for 35 being dropped to someone. Very happy this finally paided out. I killed alot of my ls members trying to pop that damn frog.

Now i have a question for all you zhay hunters out there. Has anyone in any run killed 2+ madame not including 2nd floor? I mean this 6th floor NM kill theroy isnt exactly a bad one. Ive read most of the amazing 60+ page thread and I really cant find any one confirming a 2 dead madame exculding floor 2+3. Id think its very possible now for someone for do 2,3,4,5 South madame on 1 of there boss kill runs. If you dont go for full clear on 2nd floor and only get armor in order to unlock the key person(whoeverthatis). Id think you could hit floor 4 before the 45/50min mark. Sadly i cant test this myself for a couple days.

[Minions]

Very excited that we finally got a 35 to drop that we've never seen before. Only a matter of time till we finally figure this out

[Sifer]

Almexia's group didnt fully unlock the person porting up and madame poped. its either the person that started the run (or alliance leader? >_> ) or a certain number of people that are fully unlocked or...something completely different.

[Starr]

When are we seeing Skadi Legs then?

[Sifer]

well, just thought I'd throw this out there, If it wasnt the cells then there is only 1 thing that all these runs share. kill most mamool ja(particulary the 8 on 1st and 2nd floor) and dont touch any ramparts (other than 4f ones). I'd personally go w/ cells tho.

[Wizerd]

When are we seeing Skadi Legs then?

I would hope in 5 hours. I'd be up at the crack of JP midnight to get them from the NPC if I was the first person getting a real, non-phantom Zhayolm 35 completed upgrade, and I'd be posting it quicker than I got it.

[Wizerd]

well, just thought I'd throw this out there, If it wasnt the cells then there is only 1 thing that all these runs share. kill most mamool ja and dont touch any ramparts (other than 4f ones).

But similar runs have had no pop as an outcome as well.

[archibaldcrane]

Just did a run, similar to others posted. Lordwafik warped us to floor 5N while fully unlocked (no pathos). No pop. There's more to it than just simply "person who warps to floor 5N has to be pathos free". Lordwafik was also the run leader (entered first). He was the person to warp up to floors 2 and 3, but not to floor 4. Killed all south path mamools, didn't touch any ramparts except for 4th floor (4th rampart).

[Sifer]

well, just thought I'd throw this out there, If it wasnt the cells then there is only 1 thing that all these runs share. kill most mamool ja and dont touch any ramparts (other than 4f ones).

But similar runs have had no pop as an outcome as well.

ya, hence the edit i knew someone would quote it before i do D:

[Wizerd]

Just did a run, similar to others posted. Lordwafik warped us to floor 5N while fully unlocked (no pathos). No pop. There's more to it than just simply "person who warps to floor 5N has to be pathos free". Lordwafik was also the run leader (entered first). He was the person to warp up to floors 2 and 3, but not to floor 4. Killed all south path mamools, didn't touch any ramparts except for 4th floor (4th rampart).

How many people total were fully unlocked including him?

[archibaldcrane]

Just did a run, similar to others posted. Lordwafik warped us to floor 5N while fully unlocked (no pathos). No pop. There's more to it than just simply "person who warps to floor 5N has to be pathos free". Lordwafik was also the run leader (entered first). He was the person to warp up to floors 2 and 3, but not to floor 4. Killed all south path mamools, didn't touch any ramparts except for 4th floor (4th rampart).

How many people total were fully unlocked including him?

2 for sure, may have been 3-4.

[Sifer]

well no, basically all these runs killed the same mobs(basically everything other than 3F north mobs), we know that time doesnt matter and the cell theory seems to work decently well. I think it would be worth satisfying these conditions and just waiting there in her spawn spot.

[pchan]

Almexia's group didnt fully unlock the person porting up and madame poped. its either the person that started the run (or alliance leader? >_> ) or a certain number of people that are fully unlocked or...something completely different.

I am in uzor's group. I ported up fully unlocked and 5FN madame was up, I didn't initiate the salvage run and was not alliance or party leader. I didn't warp the group on 2F but did it on 1F 3F 4F. So this leaves "a certain amount of ppl unlocked" as a likely condition.

3 things I'd like to add :

- We opened all doors after mobs were killed on 1F 3F and 4F, ie I opened the door to tele *after* the rampard died.
- I don't think it matters but earth weather was up on 5F entry.
- You can have 0 range cells on 2F and first chest -.- This happened twice to us on boss runs and it sucks. So unlocking one person is based on luck.

[Lordwafik]

Just did a run. I came as RDM with my AU time salvage group as that'd be more useful cell hogging than my other jobs.

First floor - 4 rooms and 4 mamools, aswell as 2 extra Ziz for magic (only 1 dropped magic) - I ported us up

Second floor - full clear except for card NM - I ported us up

Third floor - Cleared all of South wing mamools, didn't touch a single one in the north. Had the thief flee opposide way as we were killing, he ported us up.
*Note, this floor is when I was fully unlocked*

Fourth Floor - Killed mamools and fourth rampart & marid (we entered darksday) - I ported us up.

Fifth floor - it doesn't boil - there were 20 mins left on the run after killing


I and another were fully unlocked. I was the person who initiated the salvage run too.

[Zarath]

Could it dependant on how many party members u have?

[Uzor]

Hmm, there is something people do different... I think I'll do another run on Tuesday, doing exactly what we did yesterday. If it pops, we'll do another run on Friday, but this time we'll skip the second floor mamools.

Its weird, it seems for some people it pops with people fully unlocked, while it doesn't for others. Either way, it doesn't seem like having a person fully unlocked is the true pop condition, but there is something all of them have in common.

[mdkuser]

It might also be a condition that counts the total of pathos unlocked in the alliance, not just a few persons unlocked. We were 7 and almost everyone were missing only one or two cells when we poped it.

And yes I'll be waiting at the salvage NPC and post pics asap :D.