1H PDIF Post-Update?

[Callisto]

Hello all, this is for most intents and purposes my first post here...I tried to search through what looked like related posts first before asking, but couldn't find what I was looking for, sorry if this has already been discussed in another thread.

I'm trying to work out a gear set to max my Vorpal Blade damage as RDM, I work a 9 to 5 so all I can really do during the day is the math end of things on paper and not the ingame testing end. I heard that 1H PDIF might have been changed in the last update and resulting patch, just wondering if anyone had gotten a chance to test this out yet and could confirm if that's true?

Thanks,
Callisto of Ramuh

[thestalkmore]

Hello all, this is for most intents and purposes my first post here...I tried to search through what looked like related posts first before asking, but couldn't find what I was looking for, sorry if this has already been discussed in another thread.

I'm trying to work out a gear set to max my Vorpal Blade damage as RDM, I work a 9 to 5 so all I can really do during the day is the math end of things on paper and not the ingame testing end. I heard that 1H PDIF might have been changed in the last update and resulting patch, just wondering if anyone had gotten a chance to test this out yet and could confirm if that's true?

Thanks,
Callisto of Ramuh

Die in a fire

[Liselle]

Die in a fire

This is going to come as a huge shock to you, but sometimes RDM solo artists will use DRK/PLD/WAR/BLU subs for Vorpal Blade, and it's not something that justifies being burned at stake for.

[Genosync]

Yeah, it actually is something you should burn at the stake for.

[genome]

Yes, pDIF has changed, the discussion and all the testing is in a thread with a bit of a cryptic title (Four Punches).
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=23347&start=60

Basically all your normal hit and critical hits with 1hand used to cap at 2.4 and 3.0 pDIF and now they cap at a damage equivalent to something like 2.46+ and 3.15.
I don't think anybody did enough tests yet to check if the exact conversion regions from cRatio to pDIF remained exactly the same with just scaled up endpoints or they were slightly changed, as most of the tests were done with capped conditions.

[Ryko]

Die in a fire

This is going to come as a huge shock to you, but sometimes RDM solo artists will use DRK/PLD/WAR/BLU subs for Vorpal Blade, and it's not something that justifies being burned at stake for.

Die in a fire

[Tonko]

Moved to newbie, no more flaming.

[SassiAsura]

Can Rdm meet requirements to cap pdif on an EM+ mob? Seems to me you won't have much at your disposal without sacrificing many other things.

Lets see...

Swordbelt+1 12
Amemit+1/Forager's 15
Ogre Ledelsens 10
coral earring 5
assault jerkin 18

I guess you do have access to a bit...

[Callisto]

Riiiight...I wasn't aware that newbie players actually knew how to calculate WS damage or wtf PDIF was in the first place, but meh, semantics.

Can Rdm meet requirements to cap pdif on an EM+ mob? Seems to me you won't have much at your disposal without sacrificing many other things.

Lets see...

Swordbelt+1 12
Amemit+1/Forager's 15
Ogre Ledelsens 10
coral earring 5
assault jerkin 18

I guess you do have access to a bit...

On EM's no. On EP's yes. My attack w/ food as RDM/DRK is 484, it's nice to have a bit higher killspeed when mowing down EP's to farm seals of for buffer. As far as T+, I don't expect to cap PDIF on them, but I do lots of duo/trio with DRGs and such, and I'm looking to find the right mix of Atk/Acc/STR to get the best output I can.

Yes, pDIF has changed, the discussion and all the testing is in a thread with a bit of a cryptic title (Four Punches).
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/viewto ... 7&start=60

Basically all your normal hit and critical hits with 1hand used to cap at 2.4 and 3.0 pDIF and now they cap at a damage equivalent to something like 2.46+ and 3.15.
I don't think anybody did enough tests yet to check if the exact conversion regions from cRatio to pDIF remained exactly the same with just scaled up endpoints or they were slightly changed, as most of the tests were done with capped conditions.

Thank you.

Die in a fire

This is going to come as a huge shock to you, but sometimes RDM solo artists will use DRK/PLD/WAR/BLU subs for Vorpal Blade, and it's not something that justifies being burned at stake for.

I don't know, most people seem to think they patched RDM so that you can't do anything outside of wear a Dalmatica and main heal a TP Burn party as /WHM. We'll have to wait for SE to release the official details I suppose.

[Liselle]

I don't know, most people seem to think they patched RDM so that you can't do anything outside of wear a Dalmatica and main heal a TP Burn party as /WHM. We'll have to wait for SE to release the official details I suppose.

This is in Newbie now, so I'll simply say that I agree with your unspoken disdain. Good luck squeezing the most you can get out of Vorpal with the new pDIF changes.

[Septimus]

Can Rdm meet requirements to cap pdif on an EM+ mob? Seems to me you won't have much at your disposal without sacrificing many other things.

Lets see...

Swordbelt+1 12
Amemit+1/Forager's 15
Ogre Ledelsens 10
coral earring 5
assault jerkin 18

I guess you do have access to a bit...

I wonder if it would be better to sacrifice a bit of attack gear for haste because of the nature of en-spells. Dusk Gloves and Ledelsens would be 11 less attack than Tarasque Mitts and Ogre Ledelsens, but have 5% more haste. You could always make up that attack with Dusk Trousers, or use Nashira Seraweels if you have them for 2% more haste. Red Mages can fairly easily get 14% haste (I consider Swift Belt fairly easy, even though it can be a pain), 16% with Nashira Seraweels.

Add in a good multi-hit weapon like Joyeuse or Justice Sword with a Brutal Earring or both and Suppa (15% delay reduction with an additional 5% from the earring), throw on the haste spell; you have a fairly nice set up to maximize additional effect damage.

[Callisto]

I wonder if it would be better to sacrifice a bit of attack gear for haste because of the nature of en-spells. Dusk Gloves and Ledelsens would be 11 less attack than Tarasque Mitts and Ogre Ledelsens, but have 5% more haste. You could always make up that attack with Dusk Trousers, or use Nashira Seraweels if you have them for 2% more haste. Red Mages can fairly easily get 14% haste (I consider Swift Belt fairly easy, even though it can be a pain), 16% with Nashira Seraweels.

Add in a good multi-hit weapon like Joyeuse or Justice Sword with a Brutal Earring or both and Suppa (15% delay reduction with an additional 5% from the earring), throw on the haste spell; you have a fairly nice set up to maximize additional effect damage.

For overall DoT, yes. What I'm actually looking for is to craft a set to maximize WS damage though, to swap in right before the WS.

My current set is:

Enhancing Sword
Tariqah+1
Lightning Bow+1
Orge Mask
Chivalrous Chain
Antivenom Earring
Hollow Earring
Assault Jerkin
Tarasque Mitts
Ruby Ring x2
Amemet Mantle
Swordbelt
Duelist's Tights
Ogre Ledlesens

As RDM/DRK this all brings me to 84 STR and about 409 Attack without food. For harder mobs I'd likely sacrifice some Attack for accuracy, probably switcing the mask and belt out for O Hat and Life Belt, as if I miss one of the 4 hits my damage will suck no matter how hard I hit. With a BRD or COR it might be possible to cap PDIF against an EM, but I can't really think of a situation where I'd be fighting an EM as RDM/DRK while hanging out with a BRD or COR, except maybe playing around in Al'Taieu before Limbus while waiting for people to arrive; so I don't really count that as an option.

[Tonko]

Riiiight...I wasn't aware that newbie players actually knew how to calculate WS damage or wtf PDIF was in the first place, but meh, semantics.

I moved it to newbie to prevent people from continually flaming you for your non advanced question. RDM Vorpal blade plays no role in end game activities, and I knew the thread would go nowhere sitting in advanced where people are allowed to flame questions such as this.

The same people who read advanced, come to Newbie as well.

[Callisto]

Thanks for clarifying that.

[Septimus]

I wonder if it would be better to sacrifice a bit of attack gear for haste because of the nature of en-spells. Dusk Gloves and Ledelsens would be 11 less attack than Tarasque Mitts and Ogre Ledelsens, but have 5% more haste. You could always make up that attack with Dusk Trousers, or use Nashira Seraweels if you have them for 2% more haste. Red Mages can fairly easily get 14% haste (I consider Swift Belt fairly easy, even though it can be a pain), 16% with Nashira Seraweels.

Add in a good multi-hit weapon like Joyeuse or Justice Sword with a Brutal Earring or both and Suppa (15% delay reduction with an additional 5% from the earring), throw on the haste spell; you have a fairly nice set up to maximize additional effect damage.

For overall DoT, yes. What I'm actually looking for is to craft a set to maximize WS damage though, to swap in right before the WS.

My current set is:

Enhancing Sword
Tariqah+1
Lightning Bow+1
Orge Mask
Chivalrous Chain
Antivenom Earring
Hollow Earring
Assault Jerkin
Tarasque Mitts
Ruby Ring x2
Amemet Mantle
Swordbelt
Duelist's Tights
Ogre Ledlesens

As RDM/DRK this all brings me to 84 STR and about 409 Attack without food. For harder mobs I'd likely sacrifice some Attack for accuracy, probably switcing the mask and belt out for O Hat and Life Belt, as if I miss one of the 4 hits my damage will suck no matter how hard I hit. With a BRD or COR it might be possible to cap PDIF against an EM, but I can't really think of a situation where I'd be fighting an EM as RDM/DRK while hanging out with a BRD or COR, except maybe playing around in Al'Taieu before Limbus while waiting for people to arrive; so I don't really count that as an option.

Hmm

Ogre Mask is an interesting choice, I don't think that I have ever thought about using it, but +10 attack is pretty nice.

You could use Merman's Earring instead of Antivenom for an additional 6 attack, on your server they are only going for 120,000 gil. Upgrade that Amemet Mantle for an Amemet Mantle +1, on your server they are going for 220,000 gil, totally worth the gil. Upgrade that Swordbelt for a Swordbelt+1, on your server they are only going for 30,000 gil. These three upgrades cost about 370,000 gil, but give you an extra 18 attack.

If gil is not an issue, you could replace the Duelist's Tights with Dusk Trousers to pile on an additional 14 attack (for a "pittance" of 680,000gil), or go with the much more affordable Feral Trousers for 60,000 gil for 5 more attack. And upgrade the Tarasque Mitts to +1 for 280,000 gil, Ogre Ledelsens +1 for 190,000 gil, and Ogre Mask+1 for 200,000 gil. OK, that is 670,000 gil for 6 more attack, but if you have nothing better to spend it on go for the min-max gold.

P.S. I hate your server for having Dusk Trousers a good 250,000 gil cheaper than they are on Bahamut.

[Callisto]

Most of this is just for testing purposes at the moment, which is why I went with the cheap stuff. If I can boost it enough to warrant spending more gil then I'll be doing some upgrades, I definitely plan on the Amemet+1 and Swordbelt+1 upgrades as soon as I can swing the gil. I also do have a Fenrir Earring in my Mog I could break out, but with my current macros I'd have to put it in the slot where my Hollow earring is, as the Antivenom swaps out to skill+ earrings then swaps back in on my individual spellcasts, so it'd be a pain to keep the Fenrir's in place.

They need a Gobbybag type of quest that grants you an extra macro pallette or two!

Add: The two Ogre pieces are actually a nice swap, as I don't lose a ton of MP compared to wearing my Warlock's Chapeau+1 and Duelist's Boots, the downside to swapping in a WS set is that if I can lose some MP if I'm nearly full.

[Charismatic]

Hi Callisto

[Callisto]

Question still open

[Xajii]

i think you have to fight ose in the lions den or whatever and get his jerky