My question to you.

[Lordender]

I just think no matter what the circumstances are that there is always one linkshell thats waiting for a mob to go yellow just so they can try to steal. I mean those 18-20 guys watching you kill tiamat aren't there because they are entertained, they are hoping to steal it at the first chance they get.

[Kylen]

Watching an entire linkshell steal an nm off of ONE solo bst is one of the most pathetic things I've seen in FFXI, and I've seen it a number of times.

I assume you're probably referring to a BST soloing pre-patch Despot. I agree that if the BST popped Despot that it's pretty low for an LS to steal it from them, but what if an LS was there for 3 hours killing dolls to get it to pop, and a random BST runs in from nowhere and claims it before the LS could? Is it ok for the LS to take Despot back when it goes unclaimed, seeing as they did all of the work to pop it and the BST didn't kill a single PH?

[Medivac]

if some one other then yourself has hate on it, its theres. however if there trying to steal your merit camp and there is a sleeping colobri or mamool, and your a rdm who's to say not to dia it just because but as for KB. rule is if you didnt claim it dont touch it unless another ls fully wipes and there is a random. well thats how its done in bahamut

[Skeetaru]

It has to do with Game Mechanics and GMs saying its ok.

Fair Yes, but you are opening yourself up to hearing an invincible or 2 next time you claim Fafnir though.

[ryskar]

If RMT claim, I'll go out of my way to MPK. I wouldn't MPK an entire non-RMT ls though, maybe a choice few individuals who I don't like, but I wouldn't involve their ls.

(i.e. a certain someone at Cerberus got elemental aggro and was by himself, that shit goes yellow and I'm going to dia it the second it does.)

For exp, I basically don't overcamp in the first place, unless I really don't like the people who are already there. If someone moves on top of me, fuck yeah I'm going to take their yellow mobs (BRD) but, I won't dia them >_>

[NiggaFromHarlem]

imo its cool to claim a yellow mob, if you dont, someone else will, and why should your ls miss out on a claim, so another ls can step up and claim it when it went yellow?

This type of scenario plays out every day. There's more than 1 way to deal with this type of situation, and still get claim, and still manage to not piss off people involved. It's unfortunate that some choose not to pursue more diplomatic approaches for the risk of not getting claim on something they didn't initially have claim on to begin with.

Who is to say we have to follow your moral approach changz? someone loses claim, it's not theirs anymore. They had their chance, they lost it. stop being a typical cracker...

The mob spawned yellow, you had your chance, you lost it.

And they had the chance to kill it, and they lost it, it's like it's being spawned all over again, just with dead bodies. My linkshell usually half wipes to darters right before the window though. =/ But the point, once again, is Yellow = A chance to claim it; claimable. I agree with what changz said to a certain extent, however It's not my job to care about someone's hurt feelings. (I still think changz is a stupid fucking cracker though.)

[Demosthenes11]

Fuck morals, especially when others are disregarding them! ~.~

[Falisa]

Reading what other people say, I wish Fenrir was this nice. o.O All I've seen the entire time I've done HNM is.. if it goes yellow you know someone is going to claim. That goes for any HNM. All the different LS that camp HNMs aren't friendly to each other. heh

[Hawky]

I know a certain ls on my server that certainly thinks a KB going yellow when 6 people are still alive means fair game

Voted no. Just wait until they wipe, or are zombie'ing it. Otherwise, karma might just come back to bite you in the ass

Lol, they did not even have 6 ppl left alive, they had meteors go off constantly and even maximuss died with his Aegis KB completely lost hate so yea we got it

Anyways, voted no, but it's situational really :D

Have seen Nidhogg go white for a long time while a Japanese LS was fighting it and got Darters, but we simply waited nicely.
Might simply be due to respect some Linkshells have with eachothers.

[Atlasion]

The other night a LS fighting Khimaira had it go yellow for a few seconds. The only reason I can think of for why it went yellow is because both tanks disengaged whilst someone else in the alliance engaged a soulflayer. Noone died, they weren't wiping. It simpily shouldn't have gone unclaimed.

I don't see how people can say that stealing it then would have been fair game.

[Angels]

i agree with somethign a friend of mine said:

"it's about competency...if you're goign to do somethign to lose the hate enough to make it go unclaimed, whether it be disengaging or tanks dying or whatever, then you deserve to lose to lose the claim."

i've been in a ls that followed the whole "don't claim unless they are wiping/zombie'ing" etc...and where as we didn't develope a bad rep for the most part, about 99 percent of it's members were frustrated because we never claimed anything. and when mobs woudl go yellow...other ls's were there trying to get the claim...and we just stood there. it sucks. i voted yes. simply because if it goes yellow, it's up to the ls with the initial claim to get it back...because they should have enough hate on it that that shoudln't be a problem...

if they don't...then they risk losing their claim...until SE changes it...it's part of the game...and let's face it...we've probably all been in a ls where someone has taken our claim at some point in time or another...it sucks...but...it's part of the game.

[Demosthenes11]

i agree with somethign a friend of mine said:

"it's about competency...if you're goign to do somethign to lose the hate enough to make it go unclaimed, whether it be disengaging or tanks dying or whatever, then you deserve to lose to lose the claim."

i've been in a ls that followed the whole "don't claim unless they are wiping/zombie'ing" etc...and where as we didn't develope a bad rep for the most part, about 99 percent of it's members were frustrated because we never claimed anything. and when mobs woudl go yellow...other ls's were there trying to get the claim...and we just stood there. it sucks. i voted yes. simply because if it goes yellow, it's up to the ls with the initial claim to get it back...because they should have enough hate on it that that shoudln't be a problem...

if they don't...then they risk losing their claim...until SE changes it...it's part of the game...and let's face it...we've probably all been in a ls where someone has taken our claim at some point in time or another...it sucks...but...it's part of the game.

are you kidding? Have you seriously never been in a situation where disengaging is necessary? Not only that, but, as Ryko has pointed out, sometimes shit goes claimed for no reason - no disengaging, no deaths, no adds. When someone else claims something, you can bitch all you want but it's theirs. It's not theirs until it goes unclaimed, it's theirs til all members are dead. The best comparison I can think of is if someone wins the lottery. The money is not theirs til they drop it on the ground, it's theirs til they spend it or don't claim it. The whole "It's your fault" argument is so stupid because sometimes, no matter what, shit is going to hit the fan albeit from lag, random afks, lack of right jobs etc. In those cases, different tactics need to be used and sometimes a mob may go unclaimed (not unaggrod) in the process. Part of the game maybe, but not an intended part of the game.

[Falisa]

The other night a LS fighting Khimaira had it go yellow for a few seconds. The only reason I can think of for why it went yellow is because both tanks disengaged whilst someone else in the alliance engaged a soulflayer. Noone died, they weren't wiping. It simpily shouldn't have gone unclaimed.

I don't see how people can say that stealing it then would have been fair game.

Well, some people would argue that your LS should know what makes the mob go yellow. If your tanks were the only people that were engaged on Khim and they disengaged, it makes it go yellow. I think since we know shit will be stolen if it goes yellow, I've never seen any of our HNM go yellow unless we really are wiping. You should know the things that make the mob go yellow if its gonna be stolen.

[Plow]

Oh and yeah as far as what a few people have said, while I don't like it, I know absolutely certainly that on Sylph when it comes to kings if your shit goes yellow more than one person from every single ls is hittin that shit up.

[Atlasion]

My LS is fairly good at keeping things claimed, but shit can still go wrong causing mobs to go unclaimed. Theres 1, maybe 2, LSs on Phoenix that will steal an HNM when it goes yellow.

[Angels]

ya. shit happens D, ppl lag and CFH by accident, etc...whatever...even when it happens to my ls, it sucks, but guess what? move on. it's part of the game until SE fixes it otherwise...

[Tricen]

If you disengage and don't do anything, then that is just retarded. If you disengage cause you gotta sleep or for whatever reason and your tanks or whatever don't voke/flash or what have you, then you are doing it wrong. You disengage -> voke. Or just turn away.... It's not that complicated.

[Angels]

good point tric. why would you disengage unless it's slept? unless you're passing it to someone...in that case, then you have one pty get hate, have the rest of the ally disband and have whoever you're passing to invite your pty to their alliance and pass it off...either way...it's funny.

[NiggaFromHarlem]

I agree with both of you. You must be niggers. Am I right? lol

[Angels]

i'm korean...close enough