Pankration: Diablo Cage discussion

[King Wumpus]

Not sure if this qualifies for the other section or if this has already been done to death in one of the other Pankration topics or whatever. I didn't see anything dedicated specifically to this in either forum. Feel free to take appropriate action.

Anyway, what are your opinions on the Diablo pit championship? I, personally, think all but the first option apply. While I'm sure Square didn't quite expect this level of popularity, it is a tad ridiculous how it's turned into this powerlevel only arena and how nobody can even approach the champion for weeks because everyone keeps putting in crap level, unnamed monsters. I think Square could fix it either by forcing breaks on the champion (still retains the win streak, but has to take a break for some period of time every x number of wins), putting a limit to times you can apply for it in a set period of time, extending the number of match slots (which would probably result in up to four hour waits), or limiting it so only monsters within 20 levels of the champ can apply when the wait will be over an hour. While I'm sure the problem will sort of solve itself in a few weeks when all the people with level 3 "Pit Monster" Taurus get bored, I still think Square could sneak some fixes in for their inevitable next emergency patch.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

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Just make the champ not regen hp/mp between matches.

[Charismatic]

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Just make the champ not regen hp/mp between matches.

I'd rather they regen SOME of their HP/MP... kinda like Survival mode on most fighting games that have one included.

[Seki]

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Just make the champ not regen hp/mp between matches.

Yes, let's give random level 20 monsters 400 XP.

[Charismatic]

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Just make the champ not regen hp/mp between matches.

Yes, let's give random level 20 monsters 400 XP.

No, instead let's have one guy have his monster in the pit all day making things less fun for most of the other people around because all they can do is get stomped on by the champion since he's 20-30 levels higher.

[BRP]

I believe Diablo should be ranked based rather than a single champion. I also believe no exp gained for defenders, only challengers.

I made a post recently on another forum speaking on how Pankration could be changed for the better... I'll just skip to the Diablo part(other stuff mainly included matches being made in groups rather one at a time, levels being matched up while group of matches were assigned, low-FP monsters getting a FP boost, certain high-FP monsters getting a stat boost, a costly way for innates to be added/changed, betting, and reentry timers one universal and one per cage).

[Note: Diablo didn't share a timer with the other cages and had a reentry timer of 3 real-life hours]

1. Only the challenger gains experience points from matches in Diablo.

2. The entire system is changed: Rather a single champion, there is a ranking system, not unlike Ballista. Simply it works as follows:

Ten slots of Rank 40
Ten slots of Rank 30
Five slots of Rank 20
Then 15-1.

3. When a ranked character registers at Diablo, he will face the opponent ranked above him. At ranks 40, 30, and 20 this can be a random pick out of a group of 5 or 10.

4. When an unranked character registers at Diablo, he will randomly face one of the Rank 40 combatants.

5. The stats of a ranked monster will be adjusted based on when the player trades his Official Reflector(either to fight or to upgrade stats). A player will be required to do this once a real-life week or their monster will be removed from the rankings.

6. After 150 wins, a champion is forcefully retired.

7. Players ranked 1 to 5 get special benefits, such as being able to make HNM-type monsters/skins(Behemoth, Wyrm, Suzaku, Hippogryph, etc).

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

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Just make the champ not regen hp/mp between matches.

Yes, let's give random level 20 monsters 400 XP.

Typically things that are that low die in 1 hit and can't hit the champ. If they do, it's probably for 0.

Anyways, let's see what happens when we give it time. We really don't know the long term ramifications of this current design.

[miokomioko]

Restricting max exp gained to like 400 would fix it I think. People would have to withdrawl a lot more often, letting others in to get some wins. I'm also all for removing the AFK-champ capability and requiring checking in after each mach or else the next match will be their last. Withdrawling should also keep your running win-streak count just for bragging rights as well (since that's all this thing is really about for now, at least until the big tournament).

[lilfoo]

again i suggest mine

my idea to fix the ring would be adding a no contest code

If Wins >= 10 then
If Champ lvl > Average lvl of queue + (5ish) then 
kick champ: give 100 exp + 110 - wins & can not reenter D pit for 87 min
else keep fighting

So if the champs lvl is bigger then the avg lvl of all in queue + 10 he gets "No Contest"ed and gets a fair amount of exp. with this system a high lvl champ would get lots of exp fast but others would get to enjoy it and lvl in it as well.

i would rather see them kicked out where their is no chance for them to loose

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

again i suggest mine

my idea to fix the ring would be adding a no contest code

If Wins >= 10 then
If Champ lvl > Average lvl of queue + (5ish) then 
kick champ: give 100 exp + 110 - wins & can not reenter D pit for 87 min
else keep fighting

So if the champs lvl is bigger then the avg lvl of all in queue + 10 he gets "No Contest"ed and gets a fair amount of exp. with this system a high lvl champ would get lots of exp fast but others would get to enjoy it and lvl in it as well.

i would rather see them kicked out where their is no chance for them to loose

So wait, if a monster earns the championship by being a ton better than everyone else then it doesn't deserve to be champion?



PS eventually (a couple weeks I'd say) we'll actually have quite a few level 50s. Let's see what happens then.

[lilfoo]

So wait, if a monster earns the championship by being a ton better than everyone else then it doesn't deserve to be champion?



PS eventually (a couple weeks I'd say) we'll actually have quite a few level 50s. Let's see what happens then.

if it can not be beaten i think it should not stay. if there is a chance of it being beaten it should stay

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

So wait, if a monster earns the championship by being a ton better than everyone else then it doesn't deserve to be champion?



PS eventually (a couple weeks I'd say) we'll actually have quite a few level 50s. Let's see what happens then.

if it can not be beaten i think it should not stay. if there is a chance of it being beaten it should stay

Michael Jordan should have been banned from Basketball.

If there is no chance of beating the Champ mob...well that makes it the champ!

[lilfoo]

i dont think the champ is gonna take a year off to go play baseball

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

What else is it going to do when it hits 50? Once it hits 50 all it can do is sit there and wait for another mob to hit 50 and beat it. The owner can't even level another mob.

So baseball is probably what will happen.

[Sagacious Sundi]

If my monster becomes the champ, does it get to be in Space Jam?

[BRP]

Uh, Max, and owner can level another monster... not that I agree with a system that doesn't let a champion be a champion.

[sekaran]

I always thought the champion pet should not be able to regen HP from fight to fight unless it has a Cure move or spell or something..

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Uh, Max, and owner can level another monster... not that I agree with a system that doesn't let a champion be a champion.

Oh so the champion isn't locked like everyone else is while battling? LAME

[BRP]

Uh, Max, and owner can level another monster... not that I agree with a system that doesn't let a champion be a champion.

Oh so the champion isn't locked like everyone else is while battling? LAME

Oh hmm, nevermind, maybe. I thought you meant something else.

[Judai]

atm it's just new, when the Champion is gone for a bit it's pretty cool though. I'm sure there are a few tweaks that could be made though. Also, there would be no point to putting your mob in the Diablo Cage if you got no exp for winning, so that's retarded. If they did that, people would be bitching about that, people always bitch about something. Is the system perfect? No, but I still find it fun.

My New pet, Lv9 Taurus beat 2 a Lv13 and 14 mob to hit 11, then beat another Lv14 and a couple Lv11/12 mobs to level up some more. It's pretty fun and crazy if you set your pet up right, they can really overcome level differences.