Einherjar: Valgrind (Odin's Chamber)

[averagee]

my ego is over 9000;; ill appologize for it myself. sorry :3

[Wizerd]

That must be a really famous LS b/c this is like the 4th really important, groundbreaking topic on BG I've seen that's been derailed into an argument about said LS.

Thanks for all the Odin screenshots and vids for those that have won. I'd be interested in hearing more about how your LSs are run (attendence, item distribution, dealing with people missing runs, etc.). To me, the logistical issues are by far the biggest problem in Einherjar - not the act of doing Einherjar itself.

Apathy does so well because it was pretty founded and is still run by a solid group of friends who generally know what they're doing in the game. Some of they be pretty immature at times, but they are tight-knit and can play (and do play - a lot). Despite the animosity towards the LS, the fact remains that they are often the first ones to do those "big things" because of this. As much as I'd to say they suck, they don't. (Well ok, I used to like to say they suck. I don't really hate them anymore, although I can't figure out why. I think maybe it's because ATG (also on Remora) are bigger douches than they ever were.)

Down with ATG. :D

(If anyone wants to hear a fun story about why AgainstTheGrain on Remora is now called ATGAgainstTheGrain, and my involvement in it, let me know.)

[Zarath]

Down with ATG. :D

(If anyone wants to hear a fun story about why AgainstTheGrain on Remora is now called ATGAgainstTheGrain, and my involvement in it, let me know.)

We should have a coffee sometime wiz, at the teahouse~

As much as I made fun of specific members within Apathy during the time I was in Exodus, I do redeem a form of respect for their player's skills and teamwork, and I'm sure I've cracked enough provokes a few years back at aver XD.

But I admit, if I had the resources Apathy has....

[Wizerd]

Down with ATG. :D

(If anyone wants to hear a fun story about why AgainstTheGrain on Remora is now called ATGAgainstTheGrain, and my involvement in it, let me know.)

We should have a coffee sometime wiz, at the teahouse~

As much as I made fun of specific members within Apathy during the time I was in Exodus, I do redeem a form of respect for their player's skills and teamwork, and I'm sure I've cracked enough provokes a few years back at aver XD.

But I admit, if I had the resources Apathy has....

You dislike ATG as well, right? Let the coffee be served.

[terraflarex]

I am honestly kind of surprised to see so many linkshells have trouble with einherjar or just don't even do einherjar, even after they patched it. I know it's not exactly easy, but it is by no means like incredibly hard or anything imo; suppose that is subjective though. The whole being able to fight Odin every like 2 months (approx) thing is pretty retarded, but it's still the most fun I get for 30minutes in this game right now. And as my friend Iulus would say: Omega ring - "FUCK YEAH!"

Oh yeah btw,
lolApathyTanks.

[Hayguyz]

I think maybe it's because ATG (also on Remora) are bigger douches than they ever were.)

Down with ATG. :D

(If anyone wants to hear a fun story about why AgainstTheGrain on Remora is now called ATGAgainstTheGrain, and my involvement in it, let me know.)

Nothing to do with the fact you took both yours and Skyelarks pearl off when you knew you were going to be removed from the Linkshell, and as immature and pathetic as you are, refused to re-equip it so we could kick you? Yea, thats why we had to reshell.

So how's your wife Wizerd? I seem to recall a certain Tiamat where you told me she wouldn't stop crying because we didn't invite her for Title. Quite a catch you have there.

[Sidanoir]

I am honestly kind of surprised to see so many linkshells have trouble with einherjar or just don't even do einherjar, even after they patched it. I know it's not exactly easy, but it is by no means like incredibly hard or anything imo; suppose that is subjective though. The whole being able to fight Odin every like 2 months (approx) thing is pretty retarded, but it's still the most fun I get for 30minutes in this game right now. And as my friend Iulus would say: Omega ring - "FUCK YEAH!"

Oh yeah btw,
lolApathyTanks.

I can tell you why we have some trouble with Einherjar....
Take our last run on Saturday, hi 15 people.....we won with 30 seconds left, but we got lucky with mobs and boss....if you have 30 people the mob type/boss shouldn't phase you....now we have most of the shell cleared for tier II, but not all....on our best day we will pull 24ish, which should suffice for tier II chambers, but now we have to go back and do Tier 1s to get everyone cleared, and eventually will repeat the same shit on Tier 2 etc......
Hi Chip system!?? Like omega/ultima <.< that woulda been much better, although 9 spots of storage fear..

lol @ the PLD/WAR vs PLD/NIN argument, just give it up...I had this argument a long time ago on these forums and people are in general too thick to understand that it can and does work, even on stuff like Tiamat that hits a hell of a lot harder than Odin does, with only 1 WHM and less than an alliance....

Can you SA Gekko? LOL We would have our SAMs SA Gekko Tiamat 5 + times before the mob would even look at the SAM, and that was with NO TAs...

You shouldn't sound too surprised at how much PLD/NIN gets hit versus PLD/WAR...considering Homam stuff has like no defense or VIT and is probably what they are getting hit in...I mean I have seen Fafnir tear into PLD/NIN for 250-300 a hit with Aegis....yet he hits 150 or under for PLD/WAR....its not JUST defender....PLD/WAR hate is fine with GGhorn, refresh phalanx II etc.....but we still prefer PLD/NIN on most mobs nowadays...

Lol @ Ouryu being unable to rip apart a tank...right...a mob you can't slow or elegy that double attacks and hits a tank for 200+ oh wait most LS just sleep him on the ground >.>, so much fun...

[Therin]

I specifically said that PLD/WAR probably works better for Odin, as it does for Ouryu (you definitely wouldn't go PLD/NIN to Ouryu and expect to leave it unslept on the ground - only PLD/WAR can do that effectively), but PLD/WAR is fucking dumb for wyrms and especially Khimaira, unless you have a full alliance or better to curebomb everyone who's getting ass-raped by TP moves.

It's not even the physical hit damage that matters - Khimaira doesn't hit hard, I could probably shave him down to 120-200 per hit on PLD/WAR without much problem and tank it just fine (and I lack DRing/Hauteclaire) - it's the retarded TP accumulation that's so bad.

People who say PLD/WAR doesn't work are dumb - but people who say it's better are even more dumb. Sure, it can survive fine on most mobs and hold hate well, but you HAVE to be insane or on acid to think that it's more efficient.

Anyway. Go 7-man Khimaira with PLD/WAR and I'll give a cookie. <_>

[terraflarex]

I am honestly kind of surprised to see so many linkshells have trouble with einherjar or just don't even do einherjar, even after they patched it. I know it's not exactly easy, but it is by no means like incredibly hard or anything imo; suppose that is subjective though. The whole being able to fight Odin every like 2 months (approx) thing is pretty retarded, but it's still the most fun I get for 30minutes in this game right now. And as my friend Iulus would say: Omega ring - "FUCK YEAH!"

Oh yeah btw,
lolApathyTanks.

I can tell you why we have some trouble with Einherjar....
Take our last run on Saturday, hi 15 people.....we won with 30 seconds left, but we got lucky with mobs and boss....if you have 30 people the mob type/boss shouldn't phase you....now we have most of the shell cleared for tier II, but not all....on our best day we will pull 24ish, which should suffice for tier II chambers, but now we have to go back and do Tier 1s to get everyone cleared, and eventually will repeat the same shit on Tier 2 etc......
Hi Chip system!?? Like omega/ultima <.< that woulda been much better, although 9 spots of storage fear..

You know the personnel thing completely slipped my mind, I thought they had scaled einherjar to the number of people inside with the patch. Something like that I can understand cause clearing those wings with like 14-15 ppl can be exceptionally difficult. Perhaps they will scale it eventually...

And yes they definitely should have made it like an Ultima/Omega chip system for sure.

Anyway. Go 7-man Khimaira with PLD/WAR and I'll give a cookie. <_>

You owe me a cookie, chocolate chip.
But yea that was pretty rough as I recall..

[Sidanoir]

I specifically said that PLD/WAR probably works better for Odin, as it does for Ouryu (you definitely wouldn't go PLD/NIN to Ouryu and expect to leave it unslept on the ground - only PLD/WAR can do that effectively), but PLD/WAR is fucking dumb for wyrms and especially Khimaira, unless you have a full alliance or better to curebomb everyone who's getting ass-raped by TP moves.

It's not even the physical hit damage that matters - Khimaira doesn't hit hard, I could probably shave him down to 120-200 per hit on PLD/WAR without much problem and tank it just fine (and I lack DRing/Hauteclaire) - it's the retarded TP accumulation that's so bad.

People who say PLD/WAR doesn't work are dumb - but people who say it's better are even more dumb. Sure, it can survive fine on most mobs and hold hate well, but you HAVE to be insane or on acid to think that it's more efficient.

Anyway. Go 7-man Khimaira with PLD/WAR and I'll give a cookie. <_>

No question PLD/NIN is way to go for all TOAU kings if you are PLD tanking...hell for most things PLD/NIN makes fights smoother....but there still some mobs/places PLD/WAR shines, to dimiss it totally as nub is silly as you said..I dont think anyone will argue which is more efficient on mobs where both SJs work.

[ninjafox]

I think many shells have the personell problem is the main difficulty for Einherjar. That along with diverse scheduling of people. I know for the LS I'm in we have mostly a personell issue which then turns into a finance issue for runs.

[Hapernack]

I am honestly kind of surprised to see so many linkshells have trouble with einherjar or just don't even do einherjar, even after they patched it. I know it's not exactly easy, but it is by no means like incredibly hard or anything imo; suppose that is subjective though. The whole being able to fight Odin every like 2 months (approx) thing is pretty retarded, but it's still the most fun I get for 30minutes in this game right now. And as my friend Iulus would say: Omega ring - "FUCK YEAH!"

Oh yeah btw,
lolApathyTanks.

It took us like a billion T1 runs to get everyone cleared. Now we have T2 problems because we don't seem to be able to clear everything fast enough. Our last few runs have been 45 enemies + boss. Also at least one wave has consisted on enemies that can only be slept by Lullaby and not Sleepga II. I have no idea how you all clear the enemies so fast but we just can't plow through 45 enemies and then have enough stamina to throw a T2 boss down to 0%. We're lucky to have the wing cleared sans boss with about 5-6 minutes to spare much less coordinate enough to kill it. We've seen the soulflayer a lot lately and he keeps his shields up so much, it just extends the time needed to kill him which we just don't have.

I don't even want to think about T3 where there are even more enemies...

[terraflarex]

I am honestly kind of surprised to see so many linkshells have trouble with einherjar or just don't even do einherjar, even after they patched it. I know it's not exactly easy, but it is by no means like incredibly hard or anything imo; suppose that is subjective though. The whole being able to fight Odin every like 2 months (approx) thing is pretty retarded, but it's still the most fun I get for 30minutes in this game right now. And as my friend Iulus would say: Omega ring - "FUCK YEAH!"

Oh yeah btw,
lolApathyTanks.

It took us like a billion T1 runs to get everyone cleared. Now we have T2 problems because we don't seem to be able to clear everything fast enough. Our last few runs have been 45 enemies + boss. Also at least one wave has consisted on enemies that can only be slept by Lullaby and not Sleepga II. I have no idea how you all clear the enemies so fast but we just can't plow through 45 enemies and then have enough stamina to throw a T2 boss down to 0%. We're lucky to have the wing cleared sans boss with about 5-6 minutes to spare much less coordinate enough to kill it. We've seen the soulflayer a lot lately and he keeps his shields up so much, it just extends the time needed to kill him which we just don't have.

I don't even want to think about T3 where there are even more enemies...

Ironically, I would say T3 is easier than 1 and 2. There are more enemies to start, but they die pretty quick and the bosses have significantly less HP then the tier 1 and 2s. And tier 3 is a lot more fun than the others too. You really do have to be prepared when you walk in though especially with meds (RR, poison pots, etc).

[Soraan]

We have a similar problem as Hapernack. We have most people cleared on Wing 1, and have only attempted 1 Wing 2 as a result of having only like 18 ppl on with access to Wing 2 at any given time. Einherjar isn't exactly the most active event we have for obvious reasons (basically no reward until Odin - not counting the points you get from beating). Maybe now that people have seen the end reward can be really good (king abj), people will strive to be more active.

As far as the whole PLD/NIN VS PLD/WAR thing goes, we generally use /WAR for things like JoPrud and Ouryu (we don't sleep ouryu ever usually; just skillchains + MBs), and PLD/NIN for everything else. Well, sometimes RDM/NIN on Cerb and Khim, but just speaking specifally about PLD here. I personally can't see PLD/WAR as a viable option for our LS because we only have 1 Aegis (JP player who logs on like once a month, if that) and 1 Relic horn (hasn't logged on in like 2-3 months). It would be kinda fun to try Tiamat with PLD/WAR again like back in 2004 with Aerial Armor rotations, lol. But the bitch keeps popping at like 3am, so we have to low man it.

[Narse]

At least your server doesn't seem to have a LS that actually bots it with a holding party up seemingly there at all times after window starts...

[terraflarex]

We used to do that when khim was first released haha...

[Rocl]

Less talking about stuff, more talking about Odin

[Soraan]

We used to do that when khim was first released haha...

We sorta did that for a while. I'd log off "mule" characters at Khim that had like 75RDM, 75WHM, and I'd camp there on PLD for holding purposes. We have the whole "camp if you want the sword" thing, and after getting 3 swords, no one else wants to really put in the effort to camp. :/ I camp sometimes when I'm bored, but nothing like I used to.

Less talking about stuff, more talking about Odin

Not sure if there's much more to ask about Odin. The fight seems pretty straight forward, although... Any idea if that move that binds you + big dmg is based on physical dmg or is it magic damage? It looked pretty painful in Loth's video.

[donnie]

this is sad , the thread got derailed far enough already.... should make a new thread about pld/war and pld/nin and keep this thread about odin fight.

I would like to read and discuss about Odin fight then reading this stupid debate , everyone is entitled to what they want to use if they are successful at it. the game mechanics is very basic and can approach good result with many many MANY ways. hell if i wanted to use PLD/BLU i can make it successful.

[Narse]

We used to do that when khim was first released haha...

Yes, except for the botting part of it.