Einherjar: Valgrind (Odin's Chamber)

[Ryko]

Must be nice to live in a world where you always win and have perfect attendance for 9 straight runs. Einherjar is fail that's all there is to it.

Honestly the activity is poorly planned but.

It's 30 minutes a fucking day twice a week. Not every day, not 100 minutes, not 3 hours. People who come up for why they can't make a half hour twice a week are fucking lame.

Work? School/College?

30 minutes, plannable, twice a week. If you make 1 dynamis or limbus run a week then that goes right out the window.

[aznmajiktaru]

Has the BLU with Hofud tried it out to see how often and how strong the additional effect is yet? I searched, but only found people asking. I'm interested in whether or not I should aim for that one, or stick to the lame abjurations I don't really need anyway <.<

Last time we asked all he said was 15% proc rate, i'm not sure if it randomly chooses hp/mp drain and procs 15% of the time but that's what I'd guess with a statement like 15% proc rate >_>

[Alina]

I don't have a set work schedule every week, so I can't make every event (Einherjar or otherwise) my LS does. This wouldn't be a problem if you didn't need to be there for every win to progress. Even if you make 3/4 of the events, that still isn't good enough.

With Limbus, you can jump right into Omega or Ultima without having done any path in Apollyon or Temenos. Imagine if everyone had to have the key item from every path to fight either one of those.

Of course, with Odin dropping what he does, he shouldn't be 'easy' to get to, but it should definitely be more reasonable. I can deal with the 9 key items, but if you had the abililty to go to any Chamber from the start, it would make it a lot more accessible, especially to those that don't have 'ideal' playing times.

[bercus]

The drop rate on abjurations is ridiculously low. To get enough people access to Odin, DH won about 15 wing 1s, 8 wing 2s, and 3 wing 3s. Only about 1 in 6 wins dropped an abjuration: 2xH.feet, P.hands, E.legs. Three of those from wing 1, one from wing 2. Usually it was a couple pieces of NM flesh worth a couple hundred gil to an NPC (read: worthless junk).

Shallow loot pools from an event that requires a lot of people on varied jobs really is a major turn-off to this kind of event. Especially when it's late at night and some idiot decides he has to take the ship to Nashmau rather than use runic portals.

Nice that means 26+Odin : 27*180k = 4.860.000 Gil spent to get to fight Odin.
Let´s say you did Einherjar not even twice/week (Maintance whatever) and it took you 15 weeks.
That´s not even 4 shots at Odin, considering you will always need that kind of Wings to get enough people to Odin.

You guys should seriously think about this :
viewtopic.php?f=51&t=24415
again.

Think about how many Abjurations you want for your LS to satisfy them if you are not camping Kings because your server
is fucked up with small pe*** botters. (There is no other explanation having to cheat, except you got some big big
problems down there and not able to do anything fair in life ever).
Not even considering the extra 18.000.000 Gil/year you have to spend. OF COURSE... it´s like the community is shitting gil.

Beside that, congratulations guys for this victory. Hopefully you can get to Odin faster in the future to have more
chances for your people. Good luck.

[Grif]

Imagine if you lost access to Dynamis-Xarcabard every time you entered yeah....

[Palin@Ramuh]

You can't compare Einherjar to Limbus... It's not INTENDED to be like Limbus or any other event for that matter. I think that is the central point where most people are failing.

It's another option to get gear for those who have the means... SE has stated that these Abj aren't supposed to be common. They are meant to be rare, they are meant to ward away the weak willed. The fact that they are rare adds to that sense of satisfaction. How amazing do you think those people who got Odin items feel?

If you can't make set scedules, it just isnt the event for you. JUST becuase it isn't the event for you doesn't mean its an automatic failure. 30 minutes, twice a week is not that much to ask most people (especially considering people are already doing that for Dynamis, an event that takes SEVEN times as long).

To whoever posted about money cost. Two words: Linkshell Bank. I'll assume most people aren't going to do a pickup Einherjar shell, and go with their linkshell. Even if you did, you could treat it like pick up Dynamis and have the sponsor get the Odin drop at the end. 4-5 Mil (based off your 26 attempts; 1.5-2m more likely) for one of those items, especially considering rarity, could be a steal.

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Also for calculating how long it would take. 26 wings is excessive. Once we buckled down, we went 9/9 in a row. Alot of those 26 wings were testing the waters when einherjar came out, finding out strategies, seeing what jobs worked and what didn't, getting to tier 3 before the nerf and realizing we needed more, going back and redoing them for people that joined the linkshell in the interim. When push came to shove, we went 9 straight to Odin.

[swc]

Dunno why people cry about this. If you in an hnm ls then you know what it takes to win. We cleared for like 40 people an ended up with 29 on going on Odin. If you cant make it to a set time for 1h worth of work (gather together and fight) then Odin not for you. We didnt win every time but it was worth every xp lost. People just need to take their sob stories elsewhere an get over it. They made it easier so more people could get good gears. Pretty soon everyone will be doing Odin an then there will be no more crying.

[Grif]

Yes im crying deep down inside becuase i want three year old abjurations and to look like Odin. The effort involved is just beyond reasonable and you said you cleared 40 members? All SE has done in the past has been adding more events that require less people a very good thing if you ask me then they add Einherjar? Maybe if it actually scaled to how many people entered it wouldn't be a random clusterfuck.

I'm not saying this event is bad for you guys but for my LS it's horrible we've been doing shit with 18-24 for almost a year then they add this is what pisses me off. I wanna fight Odin but the way to get there wont happen for my LS

[Palin@Ramuh]

I'm not saying this event is bad for you guys but for my LS it's horrible

I think that sums up the point I was trying to prove. That and the fact that Einherjar isn't supposed to be like assault, limbus, dynamis, or any other event. It's just another way to get gear.

I just think people blow most of its conditions way out of proportion. It's a lot more workable than you think. I think the people who have done it consistently have the best perspective on that.

[bercus]

It's another option to get gear for those who have the means... SE has stated that these Abj aren't supposed to be common. They are meant to be rare, they are meant to ward away the weak willed. The fact that they are rare adds to that sense of satisfaction. How amazing do you think those people who got Odin items feel?

Yes they are meant to be rare. But they should not be that rare they are now in Einherjar (my opinion)
to those Linkshells that decide to not bot and not waste their time hours staring around at King Camps.
(If your only option is Einherjar to get those abjurations, you might understand. Your lucky your LS is getting
King Claims (no matter how))

If you can't make set scedules, it just isnt the event for you. JUST becuase it isn't the event for you doesn't mean its an automatic failure. 30 minutes, twice a week is not that much to ask most people (especially considering people are already doing that for Dynamis, an event that takes SEVEN times as long).

It´s not like Einherjar is the only set event Linkshells do. Organising Limbus twice/week, some Linkshells Dynamis twice/week. Not mentioning, Sea, lolSky, Salvage whatever else. I find it really hard to
Schedule another 1.5 hour event where you need 20~ people with the already excisting events. (30 minutes would be optimistic, from my experience Einherjar can easily take up 1.5 hours). Unless you have a huge LS or can work it out with your people.
And this doesn´t mean Odin is nothing for us lol. Sure you could set priorities. It´s not about how long Einherjar is too. (It´s not even 30 minutes, more like <28.5 minutes once your able to fight).

Also for calculating how long it would take. 26 wings is excessive. Once we buckled down, we went 9/9 in a row. Alot of those 26 wings were testing the waters when einherjar came out, finding out strategies, seeing what jobs worked and what didn't, getting to tier 3 before the nerf and realizing we needed more, going back and redoing them for people that joined the linkshell in the interim. When push came to shove, we went 9 straight to Odin.

If you have one person missing 2 Wing 2 runs (1 week on vacation/school/whatever), and your already doing Wing 3 to get to Odin, then this person is basically screwed unless you do those 2 Wings for him again to get him the Feathers. If this person did not get to Odin once, then this person even has to redo the Wing 3 ones you have already done. People will get easily screwed with this concept.

About the idea to be able to enter Odin every week, once you made it to him with a higher fee or special lamp. Sure it might flood the economy later with Abjurations, but this could be prevented by simply lowering the amount of Items dropping from Odin, or just make Body Abjurations for example low compared to others. That way it would at least reward people. Also there is the chance that with WotG even less people will do Einherjar.

@swc.
You cleared for 40 members. Technically 4 people would be screwed then for the Odin fight since only 36 can enter. You went in with 29. Technically 11 people screwed who have to wait now at least 10 weeks till you will have enough to fight it again. So yes this concept fails HARD. Einherjar would have been good 1 year ago. Maybe even 1.5 years ago, where Linkshells were still bigger with 30-40 average people on and it was easy to gather 20+ people for an additional event. Again not all LS have the chance to gather almost every day 20+ people for Events.

Good it works out for your LS Palin =). Doesn´t mean it will for others. Most people think Einherjar is still not good enough to go. So there has to be something wrong if so many people are not doing it. Hell even many of those botting Linkshells don´t bother to go to Einherjar anymore because it is too much effort for them .

[Demosthenes11]

Come the fuck on, you know how hard it is to schedule a time 36 people can make 2 days a week every week? People have lives, go to parties, spend time with girlfriends/boyfriends, work, go to school, live in different timezones. You expect people to just completely blow off the world for those times? "I can't go to dinner with you mom, we gotta go clusterfuck some mobs" or "I'm going to skip calculus III every week so I can make this time!" That's just retarded to think it's that easy - unless everyone in your ls works 7-4 and doesnt leave the house til 8.

And quit feeding SE and their rarity bullshit. King armor is not rare anymore, and making it to where you can fight odin once every 1-2 weeks is not going to break the game. Rarity talk is such bullshit it hurts my brain to see people talking about it. Tell the ls on your server which bots everything to shit and has an alliance full of Ebodies that shit is rare.

[Ryko]

30 minutes, I don't really care for the reasoning. Am I saying the planning is convenient? No, not at all. But if you make limbus, dynamis, or salvage regularly you've already invested more time into that in a week than you do into einherjar. (Granted I'll give up the point that scheduling for 36 people will always be infinitely harder than scheduling for 12 or 18 but it pretty much goes back to the concept that im not really buying "sorry, half an hour 2 times a week is too much") Yeah sadly I view the "Why I cant"s as an excuse, but that's just me.

[bercus]

Come the fuck on, you know how hard it is to schedule a time 36 people can make 2 days a week every week? People have lives, go to parties, spend time with girlfriends/boyfriends, work, go to school, live in different timezones. You expect people to just completely blow off the world for those times? "I can't go to dinner with you mom, we gotta go clusterfuck some mobs" or "I'm going to skip calculus III every week so I can make this time!" That's just retarded to think it's that easy - unless everyone in your ls works 7-4 and doesnt leave the house til 8.

And quit feeding SE and their rarity bullshit. King armor is not rare anymore, and making it to where you can fight odin once every 1-2 weeks is not going to break the game. Rarity talk is such bullshit it hurts my brain to see people talking about it. Tell the ls on your server which bots everything to shit and has an alliance full of Ebodies that shit is rare.

Thats exactly my point. Unless the people from your LS play the game all day long like people used to do years ago, this is another Event having to gather people. About being able to fight Odin more is nothing wrong with too. Imo you should be able to keep the feathers from Wing 1 and 2 ALWAYS.
Or being able to buy them for 50 or 100 points once you cleared Odin once. Only Wing 3 Feathers you have to clear the Chamber for.
Of course all feathers will only dissapear when you BEAT Odin too. Then you could rebuy Feathers from Wing 1-2 or like I said just keep the key Items from Wing 1-2. That way you will also always be able do do Wing 1,2,3. And you will be able to do Odin every 1.5-2 weeks. There are many many better ways to make people go for Einherjar.

[Grif]

Limbus, dynamis and salvage dont require the same exact ammount of people to be on to be efficient either. That's where it ultimately fails. Also Einherjar requires the most ammount of people out of all those events to be successful reliably.

[swc]

Well just got pants synthed so here we go showing the first known pair.
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8421/shadowlegjp7.png

[bercus]

Nice =).
Very hot legs.

[Demosthenes11]

30 minutes, I don't really care for the reasoning. Am I saying the planning is convenient? No, not at all. But if you make limbus, dynamis, or salvage regularly you've already invested more time into that in a week than you do into einherjar. (Granted I'll give up the point that scheduling for 36 people will always be infinitely harder than scheduling for 12 or 18 but it pretty much goes back to the concept that im not really buying "sorry, half an hour 2 times a week is too much") Yeah sadly I view the "Why I cant"s as an excuse, but that's just me.

That's the thing though: what is "regular" attendence? 80% of runs? Not acceptable for einherjar. Anything less than 100% and you are screwed. That is retarded. I don't know if it's true for your ls as well, but some of the people who play during the day/early evening are not nec the same as those that play at night. These people obviously have different schedules than those at night, so how do you propose everyone gets to do?

Keep in mind too we do make it work somehow (a lot of rl sacrifices I guess) but that doesn't mean it's ok.

[Uzor]

I don't think Einherjar is too bad... we've got 4 abjurations so far, and we have the same people coming pretty much every run. Only reason we didn't enter Odin's chamber yet is due to him (LS leader) having recruited a lot of new people that we had to rerun for. Although the leader and half the members are JP, and I still don't know why they planned the runs for 0:10 enter time 1:10 JP time

[terraflarex]

Well just got pants synthed so here we go showing the first known pair.
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8421/shadowlegjp7.png

Awesome, grats.

[Lordender]

salvage> einherjar nuff said.

the gear is better, its more fun, most of the abjurations now are outdated, I've always thought the speculated drops coming from odin at the time when it was added was lol compared to the effort after a few runs.