Einherjar: Valgrind (Odin's Chamber)

[aru]

Who won the P body Terra? want to see it uncursed ^^; Gratz on Mleg tho XD

what's the regen like? i fully expect 1, but maybe they made it really nice

[Lyramion]

Who won the P body Terra? want to see it uncursed ^^; Gratz on Mleg tho XD

what's the regen like? i fully expect 1, but maybe they made it really nice

Ya with the Regen of Unicorn Harness WARs can basically heal themself at HNM

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

...to all those who think Valhalla is completely useless due to slow, think about how powerful stacked damage taken -% can be. I'm not sure how high we can get the numbers but with these we may be able to do some pretty wild stuff.

[Ryko]

...to all those who think Valhalla is completely useless due to slow, think about how powerful stacked damage taken -% can be. I'm not sure how high we can get the numbers but with these we may be able to do some pretty wild stuff.

Least in my case, I'm capped on magic DMG- anyway and anything physical can be blinked.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

...to all those who think Valhalla is completely useless due to slow, think about how powerful stacked damage taken -% can be. I'm not sure how high we can get the numbers but with these we may be able to do some pretty wild stuff.

Least in my case, I'm capped on magic DMG- anyway and anything physical can be blinked.

But with aegis and -50% phys damage taken you might not NEED to blink, thus allowing you to use more interesting subs. Like PLD/BLM (loltekki). Or PLD/MNK for HP and occasional counters. Or, well, use your imagination.

[Ryko]

...to all those who think Valhalla is completely useless due to slow, think about how powerful stacked damage taken -% can be. I'm not sure how high we can get the numbers but with these we may be able to do some pretty wild stuff.

Least in my case, I'm capped on magic DMG- anyway and anything physical can be blinked.

But with aegis and -50% damage taken you might not NEED to blink.

I'd much rather keep the sub that holds substantially more stable hate and hit a 1.5 second cast time macro than wearing 10% slow? <_<

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

I'm just saying, don't write it off. I'm not saying that this theory will be 100% right, I'm saying that it's worth a shot and don't knock it till we've actually shown it's useless.

ps: /war will probably always be gimp. As NINs have proven, there are much better hate gaining subs.

[Sidanoir]

Best part of apathy video was when the WHM said they were terrored but it was just bind >.> and they didnt erase themselves for a while..

Nice job though Apathy/Lunarians, congrats!

1 month to get 3 abjurations (bodies?) believe it or not is better than most HNMLS get king wise, so its not that terrible....hell we can't even camp for 1-2 months sometimes cause of TODs..

[kuronosan]

Yea but do you have to reraise multiple times and go through a month of random encounters to get those abjurations?

I guess if you want to view that as "easier than kings" you can, but the truth is Einherjar needs to be streamlined a little more otherwise it's just another waste of a timesink.

[Sidanoir]

Yea but do you have to reraise multiple times and go through a month of random encounters to get those abjurations?

I guess if you want to view that as "easier than kings" you can, but the truth is Einherjar needs to be streamlined a little more otherwise it's just another waste of a timesink.

Definitely a time sink, but still another shot at gear..I'll take it, I find it fun

[Everlasting]

but the truth is Einherjar needs to be streamlined a little more otherwise it's just another waste of a timesink.

Halp I'm not getting free abjs from uncontested NMs fast enough.

Go camp a king if it's too slow for you.

[Judai]

...to all those who think Valhalla is completely useless due to slow, think about how powerful stacked damage taken -% can be. I'm not sure how high we can get the numbers but with these we may be able to do some pretty wild stuff.

Least in my case, I'm capped on magic DMG- anyway and anything physical can be blinked.

But with aegis and -50% phys damage taken you might not NEED to blink, thus allowing you to use more interesting subs. Like PLD/BLM (loltekki). Or PLD/MNK for HP and occasional counters. Or, well, use your imagination.

atm the most you can get with Aegis on is -25%. Valhalla Head/Body, Jelly Ring, Defending Ring (-45% with Earth/Terra's Staff). So unless you are contantly blinking out to swap Head/Body out for haste/enmity(which I never do and personally hate), it just doesn't look worth it atm.

Sure the pieces could be useful, I don't think anyone said they weren't. It was just the retards attitude people didn't care for and that's what started the shit. His whole, I feel bad for you cause that shit sucks cause BLU sucks, etc etc. (btw first person I have ever heard say BLU sucks, lol. Guess he doesn't know the things it can do) The sword isn't amazing, unless the drain/aspir is crazy but it's not horrid.

I feel sorry for his LS because he's a moron and a jackass and they always have one of these idiots speaking up when they accomplish something big, making their LS look like douches.

[Pacha]

Einherjar still definately needs some fixes (for instance: they need to treat feathers like dynamis flags and just put a 7 day wait on the Odin fight or something). The sad part is that we're now getting a more accurate idea of what SE has in mind for how long it should take to get a king body abjuration (1 every 1-2 months). I'm not saying king abj's should be easy to get but 1-2 months for a single drop is excessive. Grats to Apathy and Lunarians, these wins have definately increased the interest my LS had in Einherjar as we continue to progress.

Also, I've never really gotten involved but I have to make note of the fact that BG basically explodes every time someone even so much as mentions /war sub for pld. Using Pld/War does not automatically make you an idiot. Pld/War is useful in: Dynamis, Limbus, Sky, Sea, Einherjar, Kiting, and pretty much any other situation where you're trying to gain hate on multiple smaller mobs at once or where you're in a short, timed fight such as the Odin fight. I'm sure Apathy uses Pld/Nin when it's appropriate such as for Cerb, Tiamat, Khimaira, etc. Also, when you have Ares Cuirass, Parade Gorget, Ethereal Earring, and AEGIS you really don't need to blink because you can constantly spam cure yourself with CureIV, block the majority of dmg taken, and maintain slow-decay hate, while still allowing the pld to spike hate at will (such as when Odin uses Zantetsuken, killing the main tank, at which time the other tank who just ran out of range can quickly regain hate). Pld/Nin is freaking amazing but Pld/War is not dead and it certainly doesn't make you an idiot if you use it in the proper situation. Bottom line, Apathy was the first to beat Odin...and they used Pld/War's.

Also, Blu doesn't suck.

[Demitrius]

Unless I'm missing something big here, you can do Valhalla (5%) + other Valhalla (5%) + Hauteclaire (7%) + Askar feet (2%) + Defending (10%) + Jelly (5%) for 34% total physical damage reduction, plus the Aegis. If you wanted to be a real bitch, you can get more from Darksteel Mittens +1 (2%) and Darksteel Subligar +1 (3% and lolz). Total of 39% there, although the viability is highly questionable.

While a swap of that magnitude would require a lot of blinking for Utsusemi and Flash, it would also give you maximum damage mitigation when hit if you play it well. Just make sure your healers have person-specific macros or they'll have a hell of a time.

[Judai]

Oh forgot Haut, fcukign sword won't drop for me so it's dead to me. (like 0/30 for me)

I would think AF+1 Feet would be better then Askar for /WAR and some sort of -Phys Dmg build though.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Unless I'm missing something big here, you can do Valhalla (5%) + other Valhalla (5%) + Hauteclaire (7%) + Askar feet (2%) + Defending (10%) + Jelly (5%) for 34% total physical damage reduction, plus the Aegis. If you wanted to be a real bitch, you can get more from Darksteel Mittens +1 (2%) and Darksteel Subligar +1 (3% and lolz). Total of 39% there, although the viability is highly questionable.

While a swap of that magnitude would require a lot of blinking for Utsusemi and Flash, it would also give you maximum damage mitigation when hit if you play it well. Just make sure your healers have person-specific macros or they'll have a hell of a time.

But with that kind of damage reduction, you might be able to use another sub. Thats my point.

[Soraan]

Just curious, how much dmg were the PLD/WARs taking on a non-aegis blocked hit from Odin (ie: a direct hit from Odin)?

And to the ppl who went PLD/NIN, did he strip shadows really fast with -agas or was it fine?

[kuronosan]

but the truth is Einherjar needs to be streamlined a little more otherwise it's just another waste of a timesink.

Halp I'm not getting free abjs from uncontested NMs fast enough.

Go camp a king if it's too slow for you.

Just because my LS has yet to get an Abj to drop from Einherjar that's worth a damn doesn't mean I care so much about it that I'm going to cry. I'm expressing a logical certainty.

Also, my reasoning has nothing to do with Abjuration drops. It has everything to do with time versus reward. Would I rather spend 3 weeks getting an abj without drop or contest as opposed to 36 days with contest?

Fuck no. Anyone who answers otherwise probably has no abjurational gear in the first place. You have a chance (if you outclaim other LSes) to get an abjuration every time you get a king, and you're always guaranteed something of value after the kill (and sometimes the offshot chance of getting jack shit). You always get something more often than nothing. With Einherjar, you get a key item (that's taken away upon entering Odin's chamber whether you win or not) and shitty drops more often than not.

Ask anyone who's killed a Nidhogg or Aspid and seen an abj drop. Go check the fucking DORP! thread out. Do you see many screenshots of Einherjar raids (despite the fact that you can do it about twice a week) with abjuration drops?

It's because they don't happen too often. Do I give a shit? No. But I would definitely rather waste 30 minutes twice a week than 4 hours 7 times a week on the chance that I'll get something. The problem is I would rather not waste 30 minutes twice a week only to have jack shit to show for after 5 weeks. Nyzul Isle, Assault, Salvage, Dynamis, and Limbus all offer rewards that you can immediately reap the benefits of or have goals to work towards. Let's examine:

Dynamis: Guaranteed to walk away with currency of unspecified amount, sometimes AF2.
Limbus: Guaranteed to walk away with ancient currency and possible AF+ materials.
Nyzul Isle: Guaranteed to walk away with the chance of NM drops from appraisals.
Assault: Guaranteed to get a piece of armor or weapon after building up enough points.
Salvage: Some of the best armor in the game if you have a good group.

Now Einherjar? Unlike Dynamis, only a chance exists that if you win... something besides materials MAY drop. No currency. Only Ichor, which you need 15,000+ of to get anything decent. Unlike Limbus, you get NO currency or items used to upgrade anything... not even Nyzul Weapons. Unlike Nyzul Isle, there's no items that are appraisable that drop. You get EXP scrolls and a 5% chance at a random abjuration drop. Twice a week. You can do Nyzul Isle every day. Unlike Salvage and Assault, the armor you get from Einherjar mostly is a pile of shit... and the only worthwhile gear is all the way at the end when you face Odin. But in Assault, you can save up points and repeat assaults over and over until you get the desired item. If you fail a Corporal Assault, you're not demoted to Lance Corporal and have to start over. If you fail Odin or get shitty drops, you have to gather enough people to fight the totally random number of enemies and totally random boss at the end NINE times and win every time to get access again. At least with assault, you get AP for losing! What do you get with Einherjar? Nothing but reset progress and 3 more weeks of work to get items that only 1 person will be able to get. So every 3 weeks someone will get themselves 1 of 4 possible Odin Drops as well as a freebie abjuration to armor they won't be able to craft until they spend the Ichor on them (which you also have to farm in order to buy the pieces to craft it).

Still think it's about king abjurations? Ridill's still the most desired sword in the game and you have a chance to get that every day. You have a chance to get Hofud, which is only desired mostly by BLUs wanting a trophy item because we can't fucking equip Joytoy OR Ridill, once every 3 weeks with optimal attendance. You can kill Fafnir with 1/4 of the number of people you can complete Einherjar with. You can beat Salvage and Nyzul with six fucking people.

Einherjar needs to be streamlined. Period.

[Therin]

I would imagine that a well-geared PLD/WAR would be better versus Odin than a PLD/NIN, because 1) it seems like he spams AoE, and 2) you have to kill it fast, meaning it will spam TP, and PLD/NIN is stronger for smoother, slower fights as opposed to fast zerg-the-fuck-out-of-it fights.

If Apathy still uses PLD/WAR for Tiamat and Khimaira, though, as "averagee" was implying. . . that's pretty fucking sad. And I'm still sticking to what I said: Valhalla shit mostly sucks, the body is situationally useful at best on PLD/WAR but overall not worth the time.

Give me a polearm for my DRGs, please.

[Stellar]

Tanks will often have double march.. Use 3 homam pieces and a speed belt, + haste spell.. even with the 10% slow that's 40% haste and fast cast. Not bad really.. I think they seem pretty valuable situationally. (If you're a real haste freak, use the staff for another 5%, though that would probably not be a good idea in most situations...) So you're talking 3-5 second addition on the Ni timer for a 10% overall damage reduction. Seems pretty viable to me, especially with monsters that cast a lot of magic or have abilities that go through shadows.