Pankration Command Strategy Updated!

[Halion]

Aye, based on what the soul plate NPC says not the announcer, somewhat tame and somewhat aggressive.

I think there is a glitch in the temperament system personally. Each tier of Extremely/Very/-/Somewhat has levels; if you catch it right after it changes from somewhat aggressive to somewhat defensive for example, and then in the next battle use only an aggressive command it will change back to somewhat aggressive. If you get all the way to extremely, and continue to use the correlating command it seems to level up and up and up so it takes forever to get from extremely to very for some people. Or maybe extremely just has a lot more levels, but I've seen mixed results in changing temperaments and I don't see why it wouldn't supposed to be a fixed system.

[Not Kuno]

Trying to get my bee to act a certain way but I don't think it's possible.

From what I've read it doesn't seem possible to make it side attack while spamming defensive WS. I saw a bee spam pollen so it is possible to spam it somehow, I just havn't seen pollen yet. But it seems side attacking is pretty specific and mine just spams Sharp Sting. When I change it to do something that might seem to make it use pollen it seems like it sits on TP or just does nothing, and won't side attack anymore.

[neira]

tracking back to the caster drain thing, a friend of mine has a blm/drk skeleton [very tame and extremely aggresive] and he just tells it to give a little more bite, its spams drain bio and hell slash.

I have a apkallu lv50 [extremely tame and extremely aggressive] i tell him to give alittle more bit and he will side step WS's and spells, i had one instance where he got behind a crab that was casting cure3 and the penguin popped a whing whirl for 798 dmg, the crab was also lv50 with a rather defensive build. The penguin is auto-regain (innate), STR Bonus, Blink, Attack bonus Mnk/THF, mnk job traits. he also has crit other lv50's on side/back normal hits for over 600dmg before. unfortunately he doesnt have enough defense atm to survive a pet with enspell and blaze spikes. Also with even using give more bite, he still spams WS, but wont start until his opponent has Wsed/casted first. If i tell him to guard, block, parry, hold, he will use whing slap (stun+dmg) or yawn when opponet WS/casts, but after the first WS/casts he starts to spam again. If i had to guess i think he is holding to about 150TP, show no mercy is just beak lung spam every time he lands 3hits.

[Thistle]

Trying to get my bee to act a certain way but I don't think it's possible.

From what I've read it doesn't seem possible to make it side attack while spamming defensive WS. I saw a bee spam pollen so it is possible to spam it somehow, I just havn't seen pollen yet. But it seems side attacking is pretty specific and mine just spams Sharp Sting. When I change it to do something that might seem to make it use pollen it seems like it sits on TP or just does nothing, and won't side attack anymore.

That makes sense. I'd expect pollen spamming to come with the most defensive/tame you could get? But side attacking is only from somewhat tame/somewhat aggressive.

That being said, I've had zero luck getting my bee to spam pollen. When I set him to max tame/defensive, he doesn't WS at all. c.c So I set him up to side attack and now all he does is sharp sting (which seems to have horrible acc, or maybe it's just my bee).

[Priran]

sharp sting (which seems to have horrible acc, or maybe it's just my bee)

sharp sting is naturally horribly inaccurate.

[Not Kuno]

Sharp sting sucks. I'd rather my guy just melee. <.<

Would it be possible then to not spam Pollen but to use it w/e and to just melee/side attack like chigoes do? Or is side attacking only possible when paired with offensive WSes.

Sorry I'm new to the whole command thing. In the past on my crab I would just spam Guard/Parry etc and it would make it spam cures + defensive WS on itself. But guard/parry with the bee just makes it sit there and melee. :/

[Asdra]

I dunno, all the mobs I've played with so far always side-attack when you give the right command, regardless of temperment. The doom toad is extremely defensive, and if my wife tells it to side attack, it moves its big ass over, and likewise with my ant, even though its extremely aggressive.

I actually use it to change my strat based on what I'm fighting. If i'm fighting an acrolith or jelly, something thats heavily defensive built, I hit Show no Mercy, do that first Mandibular Bite or Venom Spray, then hit show more bite. They'll go for their first tp attack, and I'll sidestep it. Then I hit Show no Mercy again and it'll usually immediately Mandibular Bite, then I switch back to show more bite.

Then if its a Mimic, or a mob that I suspect will stun my first tp move, I'll hit Guard/Block/Parry and my ant will just sit on its tp. The mimic will eventually go at about 150 tp, then I'll hit Show no Mercy and tp it. Then I swap back to guard/block/parry.

I haven't experienced any commands yet that don't work if your pet is a specific temperment though. I just think the temperment is how your pet acts when its not being controlled personally, since its affected by whatever command you use most commonly.

Also, Kuno, maybe the reason your Bee just sits there and doesn't do anything, is because its possible it doesn't have access to Pollen yet, and it doesn't have any other Defensive moves, causing it to just sit there.

[Not Kuno]

It should have pollen, as a friend of mine with a very defensive bee used it at level 7.

And as for the side attacking, It'll do it when I select it but I wanna know if it'll auto do it if its very defensive or whatever. It just seems like the defensive ones tell it to sit on TP when I've seen a bee spam pollen before. :/ Dunno what to do.

[Halion]

If highly tame it will do whatever you tell it to, but giving it constant commands may also change its base temperament. If you're going for a pet that can run in Diablo for long stretches you need it's default to remain unchanged from its winning strategy, so it just depends how you play.

[finalwolf]

Just gonna keep editing this post for the cactuar info.

Been trying to figure out the combo to activate certain tp moves.

info 1) Will use 1000 needles under "Very wild and Very Aggressive"
info 2) Can only use Photosynthesis in daylight: attitude unknown to activate

lil' history of my cactuar.

Starting out as "Very Tame & Somewhat aggressive"
-Change command to "Guard, Block, Parry....!" -> Attitude changed to "Very Tame & Very Aggresive"

Now as "Very Tame & Very Aggressive", tried a few fights to see an tp moves, but all one-sided match, opponents died before anyone could use a TP move. keeping it on this mode until I get enough info of this combo.

-while under "Very Tame & Very Aggressive", I changed commands to "Show no mercy".
Attitude changed to "Very Tame & Somewhat Aggressive", went back to "guard, parry, block" to revert back to very aggressive

[Halion]

OOOk either side attack works on its own for somewhat aggressive + any facet of tame, or it differs by a variable, or my friends' ahriman is bugged. I'm going to make my kraken more tame and see what happens.

Edit: Worked at Very Tame, I guess most people who are trying to get to it are coming from wild to tame.
Edit 2: It also worked with the plate NPC saying "Aggressive" while the announcer still said somewhat.

[rath]

I dunno, all the mobs I've played with so far always side-attack when you give the right command, regardless of temperment. The doom toad is extremely defensive, and if my wife tells it to side attack, it moves its big ass over, and likewise with my ant, even though its extremely aggressive.

I actually use it to change my strat based on what I'm fighting. If i'm fighting an acrolith or jelly, something thats heavily defensive built, I hit Show no Mercy, do that first Mandibular Bite or Venom Spray, then hit show more bite. They'll go for their first tp attack, and I'll sidestep it. Then I hit Show no Mercy again and it'll usually immediately Mandibular Bite, then I switch back to show more bite.

Then if its a Mimic, or a mob that I suspect will stun my first tp move, I'll hit Guard/Block/Parry and my ant will just sit on its tp. The mimic will eventually go at about 150 tp, then I'll hit Show no Mercy and tp it. Then I swap back to guard/block/parry.

I haven't experienced any commands yet that don't work if your pet is a specific temperment though. I just think the temperment is how your pet acts when its not being controlled personally, since its affected by whatever command you use most commonly.

Also, Kuno, maybe the reason your Bee just sits there and doesn't do anything, is because its possible it doesn't have access to Pollen yet, and it doesn't have any other Defensive moves, causing it to just sit there.

This is exactly what I do with my pets. For example my skeleton will use drain and blood sabre when I tell it to "block,guard,parry,hold!". If I tell it to "Watch opponent, then attack" or "give em a little more bite" it will side attack. The only difference is it will use TP more frequently on "watch opponent, then attack". "Show no mercy" makes it spam hell slash. It is extremely wild and extremely aggresive and acts based on temperment only when commands aren't given.

My wyvern and manticore respond the same way and only my manticore is tame.

[Halion]

Tame was a bad choice in words, I meant disciplined.

[Not Kuno]

Having trouble with commands again. >.>

Now when I pick "Watch opponent, then attack" it'll just turn around and run. I don't know how to get it to side attack when I changed its temperment back to what it was before.

[Halion]

I have seen the same command do different things, it seemed to me to depend how close your temperament is to doing that by default, so is your monster defensive? If it's not I don't know what to tell you, but if it is then 'watch opponent' would put you at the location of tame you needed to run away when combined with your defensiveness. I have had it work for side attacking when my monster was still a bit wild but already somewhat aggressive.

[Halion]

Without my presence my Extremely Defensive/Tame mob side attacked. Wtf O_o?

[Amok]

When I said that mobs with exact same temperament could behave according to different settings ppl thoiught I was crazy!.... anyway I've seen this happen at least twice with my own monster and several more times with other ppl's monsters.

[fantasticdan]

Anyone else use an eft? Mine will only use toxic spit from any offensive command. Even with show a little more bite, he just runs to the side and ...toxic spits. I figured side attack nimble snap would own, but he won't do it. I've never seen him do cyclotail or nimble snap over the coarse of like 30 matches... Is somewhat aggressive and tame at the moment.

[Not Kuno]

Stickied this thread because it is really helpful.

[Suiram]

I'm working on a new pet, and would like to keep the temperament exactly where it was when I started, while increasing his responsiveness to commands. If I spam "You're on your own" will that accomplish what I want, or do I need to just try to balance the other commands in accordance with the info in the OP?