UF kid tasered at Kerry speech

[Correction]

Another thing. They couldn't remove him with 4 people without tazering him? Ok 1 person on each end and the other 2 making sure he doesn't hurt people. Unless hes hulk, then you'd need a lot more people!

I don't see what the number of officers present has to do with anything. He only has one pair of hands to cuff but when he's flailing around it becomes an issue of officer safety.

And guess what happens when officers fear for their own safety? Even cops don't like being elbowed and kneed, even if accidentally. Are you suggesting that one cop incapacitate him with a Stone Cold Stunner, making the other 3 and the need for a taser moot? How many people would you bring to the Case of the Runaway Douchebag?

[Ryko]

Another thing. They couldn't remove him with 4 people without tazering him? Ok 1 person on each end and the other 2 making sure he doesn't hurt people. Unless hes hulk, then you'd need a lot more people!

I don't see what the number of officers present has to do with anything. He only has one pair of hands to cuff but when he's flailing around it becomes an issue of officer safety.

Are you suggesting that one cop incapacitate him with a Stone Cold Stunner,

What?

[Beckwin]

He didn't get stopped as soon as he tried to ask a question. He got stopped because the organizers recognized him as a grandstanding attention whore and didn't want him shitting up a civil Q&A with his soapboxing. Did you watch the video? He does on for 30 seconds about disenfranchisement and when prompted if there was a question coming in his speech, he gets garrolous "I WILL INFORM THE PEOPLE FIRST AND THEN I WILL ASK MY QUESTION!" and that's when the cops decide this guy needs to leave. Then he starts resisting.

Do you get it yet? He WANTED to have something happen to him so he could get even more of the attention he craved. This has nothing to do with his right to speak, or police brutality. This is a childish grab for the spotlight on what according to Grievear is a campus notorious for having this kind of bullshit, go-nowhere 'protest' happen for no good reason.

A better way to ask the question would've been "In <title of book> by respected journalist <name>, allegations of black voter disenfranchisement in <state> and ballot fixing in <state> were made. Were you aware of this, Mr. Kerry? And if so, why did you still concede the election so quickly? And finally, why has there been no push to impeach President Bush?" for sure, but that doesn't mean he deserved to get tazed. And if police ever started giving me shit uncalled for in a public place, you're damn right I'd make a scene, because a lot of people seeing it makes it extremely safe to do. It's just as smart to comply with a douchey beat cop outside at night, alone (unless you have a camera on you, a la the traffic stop kid), as it is to raise whatever kind of commotion you see fit in a crowd with media coverage.

[guartz]

Do you get it yet? He WANTED to have something happen to him so he could get even more of the attention he craved.

PROVE THIS OR STOP POSTING FOREVER.


heh, but seriously? What did he ask/say that sounded so crazy?

Kerry is a admitted bonesman and it was covered on major media channels.
The issue of Kerry winning, but giving up is legitimate and I actually wanted to hear his answer to that.
Oh yea, and black people whose votes didn't get counted still don't have a voice, why?



Question is, WHO thought it was better to get the police involved then to let
Kerry answer these simple questions.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcZig9Fkr1A (Skull and Bones)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJWb2EbVpc0 (Black Voter Disenfranchisement )

[Correction]

irrelevant bullshit

His motivations really are a minor issue. He fought with cops and got tased. And my conclusions are my own, I can't prove more about this till more facts come out. But I'm willing to bet actual money the cops broke no rules and are taking undue shit over what should be an open-and-shut case of a kid disturbing the peace.

[HAcoreRD]

Another thing. They couldn't remove him with 4 people without tazering him? Ok 1 person on each end and the other 2 making sure he doesn't hurt people. Unless hes hulk, then you'd need a lot more people!

I don't see what the number of officers present has to do with anything. He only has one pair of hands to cuff but when he's flailing around it becomes an issue of officer safety.

Are you suggesting that one cop incapacitate him with a Stone Cold Stunner,

What?

i Agree, a RKO would be more effective.

[Grievear]

Yea, it looked to me like they tried to kick him out for asking a question? Who's decision was that?
He has all the right to be there, he is a student and he was invited to ask the question.


By the way, they weren't trying to "arrest" him because he did nothing unlawful. They were
gonna escort him out, and once he protested, they decided arrested him for inciting a riot.
How fucked is that.

Ah I hope they suspend these cops too, and the kid presses for charges like the other case.

My friend was in the Audience, the kid was NOT invited to ask the question. He barged to the front of the Q&A line without a ticket to do so. That is why the cops came up behind him so fast. They didn't stop him sooner because Kerry was going to answer his question. The police had every right to remove him, it's private property.

You say arresting someone for attempting to incite a riot is fucked up? How about trying to incite one in the first place? What he did was the equivalent of going in there and shouting fire (Which is a felony, retard). He called out for help and that he was being arrested when he was just being escorted away from the mic with the sole purpose of trying to get other people involved in his misguided struggle. They cops were only following protocol. When they are faced with a person who is belligerently resisting arrest (exactly how this student was acting) they must act to subdue them as to prevent injury to bystanders, the student and the police officers. Would you have them punch him in the face? Knock him out with a club? Have you ever dealt with someone hopped up on adrenaline? You think they could have completely restrained him fully?

Stop being an excitable sheep and think for your self.

[Osede]

It really is bullshit that they couldn't remove him from the building without tazering him, especially with four people. Honestly at that point you can have each person grab a limb and just drag him out if necessary.

He was kinda douchey in his presentation of the question, but Kerry didn't seem to mind and was willing to answer the kid.

In most situation, Kerry had to say so even thought he don't want to answer. Since he is the speaker to answer, and also he won't want to get a bad public image.

And oh yea,

UF kid tasered at Kerry speech

I thought the bold part has explained the reason and the dumbness?

[Senoska]

Actually he didn't really do anything to anger the police and they were totally out of line. He asked a rather long question and raised his voice but it is justified, Kerry is a public servant not the other way around, the kid was being arrested for nothing, they are violating the first amendment.

When you're on someone elses property, you don't have any rights aside from what they want to give you (aside from the right to live). For example, if I walked into the building carrying a completely legal and licensed weapon and they took it off me, they aren't violating the 2nd amendment because the school has decided to not allow weapons on their property. Yes Kerry is a public servent, but it's still a private venue. The organizers asked him to stop, so he no longer had the right to question Kerry on their property. There is no civil rights violation here.

Isn't the University of Florida a public-government owned school?

[Gregorio]

Actually he didn't really do anything to anger the police and they were totally out of line. He asked a rather long question and raised his voice but it is justified, Kerry is a public servant not the other way around, the kid was being arrested for nothing, they are violating the first amendment.

When you're on someone elses property, you don't have any rights aside from what they want to give you (aside from the right to live). For example, if I walked into the building carrying a completely legal and licensed weapon and they took it off me, they aren't violating the 2nd amendment because the school has decided to not allow weapons on their property. Yes Kerry is a public servent, but it's still a private venue. The organizers asked him to stop, so he no longer had the right to question Kerry on their property. There is no civil rights violation here.

Isn't the University of Florida a public-government owned school?

That doesn't mean it's completely open to the public or that I can do whatever legal activities I want there. Even though it may be classified as a public university, I (as a non-student) can't go to their campus and use their libraries or computers because there are rules against it. This is why I used the 2nd amentment example. Even though it's my right to do so, the people who run the school (who are in charge of the property) say that I cannot bring a gun onto their campus. Much like any other private property, you need to follow their rules or face the consequences.

[Beckwin]

Yea, it looked to me like they tried to kick him out for asking a question? Who's decision was that?
He has all the right to be there, he is a student and he was invited to ask the question.


By the way, they weren't trying to "arrest" him because he did nothing unlawful. They were
gonna escort him out, and once he protested, they decided arrested him for inciting a riot.
How fucked is that.

Ah I hope they suspend these cops too, and the kid presses for charges like the other case.

My friend was in the Audience, the kid was NOT invited to ask the question. He barged to the front of the Q&A line without a ticket to do so. That is why the cops came up behind him so fast. They didn't stop him sooner because Kerry was going to answer his question. The police had every right to remove him, it's private property.

You say arresting someone for attempting to incite a riot is fucked up? How about trying to incite one in the first place? What he did was the equivalent of going in there and shouting fire (Which is a felony, retard). He called out for help and that he was being arrested when he was just being escorted away from the mic with the sole purpose of trying to get other people involved in his misguided struggle. They cops were only following protocol. When they are faced with a person who is belligerently resisting arrest (exactly how this student was acting) they must act to subdue them as to prevent injury to bystanders, the student and the police officers. Would you have them punch him in the face? Knock him out with a club? Have you ever dealt with someone hopped up on adrenaline? You think they could have completely restrained him fully?

Stop being an excitable sheep and think for your self.

How the fuck is this guy attempting to incite a riot? If he was shouting "DON'T LET THESE COPS DO THIS, BEAT THEIR ASSES! TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING!" then sure, but he wasn't. He was drawing attention to what they were doing to him, but that's not inciting a riot.

[RustyMetal]

This is clearly evidence of the soon to be police state! But....
PROTIP : Go easy when they arrest you, sue later.

[Charla]

blah blah blah Would you have them punch him in the face? Knock him out with a club? Have you ever dealt with someone hopped up on adrenaline? You think they could have completely restrained him fully?

Personally I'd have had the first two each pinion one arm, then another two grab his legs and carry him out the door. But of course, that's a lot harder to organize and pull off in the middle of a situation, so the tazer is a quick and easy problem solved. Although pulling it out right after the "don't tazer me!" is an unfortunate bit of timing.

Also, I still think they shut his mic too soon. Even a retard talking about nothing can be funny for the first 2 or 3 minutes (Miss South Carolina anyone?). They gave him 90 seconds.

[levish]

Looks like he was hopped up on caffeine drinks, if he'd have kept his cool it wouldn't have gotten out of hand and all that ...

[Kyreth]

Kid has a record of deliberately doing stuff like this, staged this for good measure.

He got precisely what he wanted, to be the biggest attention whore of the week on the news. Regrettably, he didn't get a Darwin award from this cause the Taser worked as advertised.

[Grievear]

Yea, it looked to me like they tried to kick him out for asking a question? Who's decision was that?
He has all the right to be there, he is a student and he was invited to ask the question.


By the way, they weren't trying to "arrest" him because he did nothing unlawful. They were
gonna escort him out, and once he protested, they decided arrested him for inciting a riot.
How fucked is that.

Ah I hope they suspend these cops too, and the kid presses for charges like the other case.

My friend was in the Audience, the kid was NOT invited to ask the question. He barged to the front of the Q&A line without a ticket to do so. That is why the cops came up behind him so fast. They didn't stop him sooner because Kerry was going to answer his question. The police had every right to remove him, it's private property.

You say arresting someone for attempting to incite a riot is fucked up? How about trying to incite one in the first place? What he did was the equivalent of going in there and shouting fire (Which is a felony, retard). He called out for help and that he was being arrested when he was just being escorted away from the mic with the sole purpose of trying to get other people involved in his misguided struggle. They cops were only following protocol. When they are faced with a person who is belligerently resisting arrest (exactly how this student was acting) they must act to subdue them as to prevent injury to bystanders, the student and the police officers. Would you have them punch him in the face? Knock him out with a club? Have you ever dealt with someone hopped up on adrenaline? You think they could have completely restrained him fully?

Stop being an excitable sheep and think for your self.

How the fuck is this guy attempting to incite a riot? If he was shouting "DON'T LET THESE COPS DO THIS, BEAT THEIR ASSES! TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING!" then sure, but he wasn't. He was drawing attention to what they were doing to him, but that's not inciting a riot.

He was calling for action against the police officers when he shouted "Help me!" At this point it was a felony. There is a fine line between "Help me!" and "DON'T LET THESE COPS DO THIS, BEAT THEIR ASSES! TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING!" If another student had gotten up and tried to help him, then another, it would have had the same effect. Lucky that first student was the only moron in the audience. The cops may have over-reacted, but like it's been said before, had this student hurt someone else or himself in his flailing, the police would have been blamed for not doing enough.

[Demosthenes11]

It's a god damned shame they didn't use their nightsticks too

People like this need to be put in zoo's, especially when they bitch about it after

[aurik]

Being obnoxious is not a tazerable offense. Maybe his goal was to stir shit up and make a scene, but after watching the video I definitely don't see reason for them to use a tazer.

[Klever]

You sad, deranged people. Most of you hold an opinion against what this guy did, and it makes sense why you hold these views. Fuck this is an online video-game message board, it should be clear that the people who would be okay with tazering the most are geeks infatuated with mindless entertainment. You motherfuckers would sell every single fucking liberty you have as long as it doesn't interrupt your 14.95 monthly billing cycle.

This kid was obviosuly an asshole, but the QUESTIONS he was trying to bring up have a serious point. These were issues I had with Kerry in 04 and Ive never seen him publicly answer them. Its funny that one of the first posts of reason in this entire thread was from someone who doesn't even live in this retarted country.

And then there is a deuche bag suggesting he was trying to invoke a riot? Suggesting he is instigating violence on police with the words, "help me"? Ive seen big, violent 250LB+ men get taken down in public places here in PHX with 2 guys, and they can stabilize the situatuion without having to resort to unneccessary violence. Do you not fucking understand the nature of this? Why it's considered a slippery-slope? Where does it fucking stop? Today tazering some loud-mouth is okay, next year maybe we can classify them as enemy combatenets and remove them from their homes and detain them indefinetly without a lawyer or criminal trial? Oh wait the Patriot Act lets the U.S. do that right now, nevermind. Keep sleeping and paying your income taxes, America land of the living-dead.

[RakEx]

This is police brutality at its best. I saw the video on the news the other night and I almost oculdnt watch (like everyone in the background that looked away).

Did you see how big that black cop was that easily moved him towards the door. The guy was maybe what? 6foot 200 pounds? The 5 or so cops that were moving him towards the door had not a worry that might be able to hurt one of them. Just put him on his stomach and put his arms behind his back... Is it really that difficult?

Then again were these campus police? Because campus police are big sissies.

When I was watching the video I had the urge to get up and lace into that bitch with the taser but alas I was not there. If you watch in the background you can see everyone try not to watch out of disgust.