Rumours about new job abbreviation

[Lordshin]

Based on SE's track record of 3 jobs with past expansions(RoZ: drg/sam/nin ToAU: blu/cor/pup). I'd think it's reasonable to assume we'll most likely be seeing 3 this time also. Although I don't know how closely it would follow the 1 new job for each job class(melee/tank/support). Either way some confirmation to backup or debunk these "Rumours" would be great.

actually the melee/tank/support thing was from when se said they were looking for roles in parties that were lacking

in fact iirc this is what they said (cant find the exact interview):
"We will see which roles are not fulfilled, such as Melee/Tanks/things and then ad something like a support job"

Goin by that... we lack (in numbers) a Tank and well mages plus a Support? So, assuming Dancer is Tank: we still have Mage and/or Support, assuming Dancer is support: we still have Tank and Mage, etc.

and i also doubt that SE would tell us the abbrieviation b4 anouncing the jobs...

maybe SE will pull a RoZ and give us a job before WotG >< (like w/ SMN ) but i HIGHLY doubt that lol

[Gere]

Based on SE's track record of 3 jobs with past expansions(RoZ: drg/sam/nin ToAU: blu/cor/pup). I'd think it's reasonable to assume we'll most likely be seeing 3 this time also. Although I don't know how closely it would follow the 1 new job for each job class(melee/tank/support). Either way some confirmation to backup or debunk these "Rumours" would be great.

RoZ added 4; Drg/Smn/Sam/Nin

Smn was added at the same time as RoZ but did not require RoZ.

[Issac]

Based on SE's track record of 3 jobs with past expansions(RoZ: drg/sam/nin ToAU: blu/cor/pup). I'd think it's reasonable to assume we'll most likely be seeing 3 this time also. Although I don't know how closely it would follow the 1 new job for each job class(melee/tank/support). Either way some confirmation to backup or debunk these "Rumours" would be great.

RoZ added 4; Drg/Smn/Sam/Nin

Smn was added at the same time as RoZ but did not require RoZ.

Just needed rotz for the avatars

[Gere]

Based on SE's track record of 3 jobs with past expansions(RoZ: drg/sam/nin ToAU: blu/cor/pup). I'd think it's reasonable to assume we'll most likely be seeing 3 this time also. Although I don't know how closely it would follow the 1 new job for each job class(melee/tank/support). Either way some confirmation to backup or debunk these "Rumours" would be great.

RoZ added 4; Drg/Smn/Sam/Nin

Smn was added at the same time as RoZ but did not require RoZ.

Just needed rotz for the avatars

Which weren't even added till later.

[Gwynplaine]

Here are the quotes in question about new jobs:

Now I'd like to ask about new jobs. What kind of jobs are you considering?

Ogawa: We are looking at party roles that have insufficient jobs to fill the slot. After that, we're considering another support job.
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Past Final Fantasy games have seen a plethora of different jobs. Will you draw from those games or create another new concept like Puppetmaster?

Ogawa: As a base, we consider jobs that will have a practical use in battle. From there we bring together the aspects and name of the job.
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How many new jobs will you be adding?

Ogawa: More than 1...

Source from here:
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/viewto ... a&start=30
Untranslated source here: http://www.4gamer.net/news.php?url=/new ... etail.html

Ogawa: Yea, I know... We need to preserve the roles of current jobs as we explore new possibilities.
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4Gamer: Hmm. I get what you're saying, but what does it mean?

Ogawa: This is about all I can say. I'm sorry. We search for a job that can fit a new role, like a support job would be useful, and then adjust it from there. Beyond that... I can't really say much more.

Tanaka: The duties of existing jobs are pretty much decided. Therefore, they fill a specific role and are used as such. Whatever we make can't kill off an existing job by taking that role.

Ogawa: Then there's a big shortage of the old job.
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4Gamer: Do you feel you've made good progress?

Ogawa: Well, making something completely new is always difficult.
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4Gamer: I see. How many of these new jobs...

Tanaka: (Talks to the other staff a little) More than one. (laughs)
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4Gamer: In other words, it's still a secret. (laughs)

Source from here: http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/viewto ... a&start=30
Untranslated source here: http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/doc ... 7/ffxi.htm

So unfortunately, all we know is at least two new jobs, and one is a support type. EMU knight ftw still.

[Khamsin]

Based on SE's track record of 3 jobs with past expansions(RoZ: drg/sam/nin ToAU: blu/cor/pup). I'd think it's reasonable to assume we'll most likely be seeing 3 this time also. Although I don't know how closely it would follow the 1 new job for each job class(melee/tank/support). Either way some confirmation to backup or debunk these "Rumours" would be great.

RoZ added 4; Drg/Smn/Sam/Nin

Smn was added at the same time as RoZ but did not require RoZ.

I thought SMN was added prior to RoZ.

[Lordshin]

Based on SE's track record of 3 jobs with past expansions(RoZ: drg/sam/nin ToAU: blu/cor/pup). I'd think it's reasonable to assume we'll most likely be seeing 3 this time also. Although I don't know how closely it would follow the 1 new job for each job class(melee/tank/support). Either way some confirmation to backup or debunk these "Rumours" would be great.

RoZ added 4; Drg/Smn/Sam/Nin

Smn was added at the same time as RoZ but did not require RoZ.

I thought SMN was added prior to RoZ.

yeah it was added before... hence hwy only NIN, DRG, and SAM are in the manual >.> the Avatars were added w/ RoTZ though

[Spira]

Based on SE's track record of 3 jobs with past expansions(RoZ: drg/sam/nin ToAU: blu/cor/pup). I'd think it's reasonable to assume we'll most likely be seeing 3 this time also. Although I don't know how closely it would follow the 1 new job for each job class(melee/tank/support). Either way some confirmation to backup or debunk these "Rumours" would be great.

RoZ added 4; Drg/Smn/Sam/Nin

Smn was added at the same time as RoZ but did not require RoZ.

I thought SMN was added prior to RoZ.

prior is correct if you consider the pre-expansion update for Zilart as prior. In other words the difference really is like 2 days.

but anyway yea the important point is that it's a core game job, not a zilart one

[Cookiemonster]

EMU
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k3...onkeys/EMU.jpg
It's real I swear.

[Aselin]

Here are the quotes in question about new jobs:
So unfortunately, all we know is at least two new jobs, and one is a support type. EMU knight ftw still.

Yeah, Dancer confirmed and Time Mage, assumed but unconfirmed?

[Yutuyu]

While I understand the whole point of speculation is to take what you know and draw assumptions from it in order to form new opinions, it's getting a little out of hand.

Silly arguments made thus far.



1) SE will not add 4 jobs with this expansion because they've always added 3 in the past.

...okay, that's a nice statement. Now add some logic to it! Is...there a reason you believe this beyond past experience? If you rolled a dice 2 times and it came up as 3, would you expect that the other sides are fake or nonexistent?

2) This information is false because the abbreviations don't look consistent with ingame standards

Hmm... Time Mage = TMM because? Lets see, all of the other "Mage" jobs... WHM BLM RDM. All start with 2 consenants followed by the letter M for the 2nd word. Yeah, totally doesn't fit.

3) This information comes from KI!

Uh, no. If you'd read the actual post you'd see that the OP and another poster both confirm it being some sort of Japanese forum. So unless Hirohito is marching on Allakazham next, I'd say that's not it.

4) They wouldn't give the abbreviations out!

Or would they? Time Mage and Dancer are already basically knowns. MDC is somewhat obvious, but it could be something else, and no one has a freaking clue what EMU is. They're clearly staggering the release of information in such a way to build up hype and make the community excited about the expansion. Releasing the abbreviations would actually be pretty smart.

5) Emu = Emulator = Mime

Not only does Emulator sound incredibly strange, but mimes already exist ingame.

6) Emu = Elemental User = Geomancer

User? Do you REALLY think they'd have the name "user" in one of the jobs? That's such an enormous departure from a fantasy setting I have no idea where to start. Why wouldn't they just name it elementalist and be more in line with previous games AND better sounding? People are REALLY just looking hard for something to fit.



Speculation is good and fun, but try to make at least some sense, and don't make ridiculous arguments please.

[Epical]

Based on SE's track record of 3 jobs with past expansions(RoZ: drg/sam/nin ToAU: blu/cor/pup). I'd think it's reasonable to assume we'll most likely be seeing 3 this time also. Although I don't know how closely it would follow the 1 new job for each job class(melee/tank/support). Either way some confirmation to backup or debunk these "Rumours" would be great.

RoZ added 4; Drg/Smn/Sam/Nin

Ranger?

[Spira]

RNG was one of the original 5 extra jobs..

[Epical]

RNG was one of the original 5 extra jobs..

I was just in the process of deleting that post once I remembered that, until your quoting ass came along and QUOTED IT!

Anyways, abbreviations, etc...

[Saraphym]

1) SE will not add 4 jobs with this expansion because they've always added 3 in the past.

...okay, that's a nice statement. Now add some logic to it! Is...there a reason you believe this beyond past experience? If you rolled a dice 2 times and it came up as 3, would you expect that the other sides are fake or nonexistent?

The results of rolling a dice are out of one's control, how many number of jobs SE decides to put in with each expansion is not.

A better analogy would be to say if you had an uncle who gave you a pair of socks for the last 2 Christmas in a row, what would you expect this Christmas?

I'm not using this logic to rule out the possibility of more jobs, just saying it looks probable based on past experience.

[Yutuyu]

1) SE will not add 4 jobs with this expansion because they've always added 3 in the past.

...okay, that's a nice statement. Now add some logic to it! Is...there a reason you believe this beyond past experience? If you rolled a dice 2 times and it came up as 3, would you expect that the other sides are fake or nonexistent?

The results of rolling a dice are out of one's control, how many number of jobs SE decides to put in with each expansion is not.

A better analogy would be to say if you had an uncle who gave you a pair of socks for the last 2 Christmas in a row, what would you expect this Christmas?

I'm not using this logic to rule out the possibility of more jobs, just saying it looks probable based on past experience.

Well if you wanna talk about past experience, then the number you should be looking for is 2. As 3(RoZ) + 3(ToAU) + 0(CoP) divided by 3, is equal to 2. 2 average number/expansion.

[Spira]

Epical> actually I didn't quote anything so you could change it quick now ;p

1) SE will not add 4 jobs with this expansion because they've always added 3 in the past.

...okay, that's a nice statement. Now add some logic to it! Is...there a reason you believe this beyond past experience? If you rolled a dice 2 times and it came up as 3, would you expect that the other sides are fake or nonexistent?

The results of rolling a dice are out of one's control, how many number of jobs SE decides to put in with each expansion is not.

A better analogy would be to say if you had an uncle who gave you a pair of socks for the last 2 Christmas in a row, what would you expect this Christmas?

I'm not using this logic to rule out the possibility of more jobs, just saying it looks probable based on past experience.

Well if you wanna talk about past experience, then the number you should be looking for is 2. As 3(RoZ) + 3(ToAU) + 0(CoP) divided by 3, is equal to 2. 2 average number/expansion.

Thats the mean. The mean (ie. average) number of jobs released with each expansion is 3+3+0/3 = 2. Yes..

but the Mode (statistically highest occurring number) is definitely 3. (3, 0, 3).

Besides, no one is saying that there MUST be 3 jobs only.. or that its a fact or a rule. Its speculation, and everyone I've noticed so far has been smart enough to use modality...

[Saraphym]

1) SE will not add 4 jobs with this expansion because they've always added 3 in the past.

...okay, that's a nice statement. Now add some logic to it! Is...there a reason you believe this beyond past experience? If you rolled a dice 2 times and it came up as 3, would you expect that the other sides are fake or nonexistent?

The results of rolling a dice are out of one's control, how many number of jobs SE decides to put in with each expansion is not.

A better analogy would be to say if you had an uncle who gave you a pair of socks for the last 2 Christmas in a row, what would you expect this Christmas?

I'm not using this logic to rule out the possibility of more jobs, just saying it looks probable based on past experience.

Well if you wanna talk about past experience, then the number you should be looking for is 2. As 3(RoZ) + 3(ToAU) + 0(CoP) divided by 3, is equal to 2. 2 average number/expansion.

True, if you want to count expansions in general. However out of expansions which added new jobs, it's still 2/2 for 3. Since we already know WoTG will add at least one, it falls into the same category as RoZ and ToAU. Anyways not trying to argue, just saying my opinion isn't as far-fetched or illogical as you made it seem.


either way, we'll just have to all wait and see anyways (unless we get some sort of confirmation), no harm in speculating.

[Charismatic]

WHY DOES THIS TOPIC EXIST?

SHUT UP.

[Yutuyu]

1) SE will not add 4 jobs with this expansion because they've always added 3 in the past.

...okay, that's a nice statement. Now add some logic to it! Is...there a reason you believe this beyond past experience? If you rolled a dice 2 times and it came up as 3, would you expect that the other sides are fake or nonexistent?

The results of rolling a dice are out of one's control, how many number of jobs SE decides to put in with each expansion is not.

A better analogy would be to say if you had an uncle who gave you a pair of socks for the last 2 Christmas in a row, what would you expect this Christmas?

I'm not using this logic to rule out the possibility of more jobs, just saying it looks probable based on past experience.

Well if you wanna talk about past experience, then the number you should be looking for is 2. As 3(RoZ) + 3(ToAU) + 0(CoP) divided by 3, is equal to 2. 2 average number/expansion.

True, if you want to count expansions in general. However out of expansions which added new jobs, it's still 2/2 for 3. Since we already know WoTG will add at least one, it falls into the same category as RoZ and ToAU. Anyways not trying to argue, just saying my opinion isn't as far-fetched or illogical as you made it seem.


either way, we'll just have to all wait and see anyways (unless we get some sort of confirmation), no harm in speculating.

My beef isn't the opinion that the expansion will have 3 jobs. Because I made the same assumption before reading this.

My problem is that people think that this can't be true because it has 4 jobs. That's... just kind of silly.