Lieberman-Kyl amendment

[Amele]

congress only has to authorize deployments in excess of 60 days.

given that most estimates for a 'real' world war III put the bulk of combat being over somewhere between 30 minutes and 30 days; I think it unlikely that the office of the president will require congressional approval to invade Iran with anything other than a regime-changing occupational force.

congress will still need to authorize a draft, and good luck with that; any serious attempt to mobilize a draft force for a second unnecessary war is just as likely to cause mass protest as it is a larger military.

[Marsala]

Media: Iran hates jews.
Reality: 20,000 jews live in Iran and have parliament representation

I fail to see the logic in that statement. Minorities in the US also have very large numbers and have representation in all branches of the government yet there is still racism, prejudice, and discrimination against them.

[Demosthenes11]

lol@ immadinnahjacket being a "reasonable man"
The man is a lunatic, but thankfully only a puppet.

If my country needs me for the Iran war, I'd be happy to serve

[sephir]

Iran is saying it is seeking Uranium for "electrical needs" but when Russia offered to ship Uranium free of cost to Iran for use only on the condition it was return was denied. It is obvious that Iran's government is seeking a nuclear bomb or something of the sort.

People in the 1960's-70's moved to Canada to avoid the draft, but I dont know if the government will support drafct dodgers like it did in the 60's

[Egon]

And war with Iran is bad because?

You guys fail to understand that fighting terrorist over there is alot better than fighting them over here. Let's say that Iraq had NOTHING to do with Osoma and his boys, they are there NOW. So that means they are spending money/ppl there now. Terrorist only have so much money, as does the USA, but we have alot more in our military then they do. The majority of the money they spend is to fight us in Iraq, which is wayyyyy better than them spending that money to kill us Americans in our own land.

And to all you pin heads who think that there is no war on terror, and only a war for oil, you find me one picture of 1 drum of oil from Iraq going to the USA. You can not find it.

[Exoduso]

It's bad because we're randomly provoking wars with different countries for our own self-served interests... regardless of whether it's justified or not. We saw how awesome those nonexistant "weapons of mass-destruction" were in Iraq. (and i'm not even talking about Iran right now because they're irrelevant.)

[Egon]

Randomly provoking? Iran is sending weapons over to Iraq, which is being used to kill Americans.
Iran is funding the Hezbollah, which attacks Israel and Americans as well.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a full blown Terrorist and needs to be wipped out.

But i'm sure this is the first time you've ever even heard of Hezbollah.

[Exoduso]

I have relatives that live in Israel..

And their weapons wouldn't be killing Americans in Iraq if we hadn't been in fucking Iraq in the first place.

[Kuya]

You guys fail to understand that fighting terrorist over there is alot better than fighting them over here.

When you say that, do you mean that the Iranian goverment is in itself a terorrist organization? Or do you mean the idea of attacking foreigh countries to "lure" terrorist over there, so they spend their resources there, and be less capable of mounting an attack on U.S. soil? If the latter is what you meant, then i'm sure you could understand if citizens from other countries would be uneasy and disturbed if the U.S. were only attacking countries for the sake of using them as bait, and damning the attacked countries' civilians to a roller coaster of death? I mean, assuming that's what you meant, and or if that is one of the U.S. intentions.

The jist if what you're saying is that you rather sacrifice people from other countries for your own safety, which is logical from a natiolist point of view, but in no way should you be surprised if people from other countries find it appaling.

Randomly provoking? Iran is sending weapons over to Iraq, which is being used to kill Americans.

Many countries do this, even the U.S. Unless i'm confusing occurences here.

[Egon]

I have relatives that live in Israel..

And their weapons wouldn't be killing Americans in Iraq if we hadn't been in fucking Iraq in the first place.

That is the dumbest comment I've read all week. Sadam violated 17 UN resolutions, mass murdered hundreds of thousands of his own ppl. And was in bed with Terrorist. If he was not in bed with them, they would not be there today. I will never understand how any one in their right mind could think that Iraq was a bad idea.

[Egon]

You guys fail to understand that fighting terrorist over there is alot better than fighting them over here.

When you say that, do you mean that the Iranian goverment is in itself a terorrist organization? Or do you mean the idea of attacking foreigh countries to "lure" terrorist over there, so they spend their resources there, and be less capable of mounting an attack on U.S. soil? If the latter is what you meant, then i'm sure you could understand if citizens from other countries would be uneasy and disturbed if the U.S. were only attacking countries for the sake of using them as bait, and damning the attacked countries' civilians to a roller coaster of death? I mean, assuming that's what you meant, and or if that is one of the U.S. intentions.

The jist if what you're saying is that you rather sacrifice people from other countries for your own safety, which is logical from a natiolist point of view, but in no way should you be surprised if people from other countries find it appaling.
[quote:5c16a]Randomly provoking? Iran is sending weapons over to Iraq, which is being used to kill Americans.

Many countries do this, even the U.S. Unless i'm confusing occurences here.[/quote:5c16a]


So you would save the life of a criminal over the life of a law abiding American Citizen? And yes, Iran is a terrorist organization, that's a proven fact. It is the job of our government to keep us safe. The biggest threat to us, and yes, even you, is Terror.

[Kuya]

That is the dumbest comment I've read all week. Sadam violated 17 UN resolutions, mass murdered hundreds of thousands of his own ppl. And was in bed with Terrorist. If he was not in bed with them, they would not be there today.

Shitstorm incoming in 3, 2, 1...

So you would save the life of a criminal over the life of a law abiding American Citizen? And yes, Iran is a terrorist organization, that's a proven fact. It is the job of our government to keep us safe. The biggest threat to us, and yes, even you, is Terror.

[/quote][/quote]
Oh, oh, i see. You're not serious, my bad.

[Exoduso]

I have relatives that live in Israel..

And their weapons wouldn't be killing Americans in Iraq if we hadn't been in fucking Iraq in the first place.

That is the dumbest comment I've read all week. Sadam violated 17 UN resolutions, mass murdered hundreds of thousands of his own ppl. And was in bed with Terrorist. If he was not in bed with them, they would not be there today. I will never understand how any one in their right mind could think that Iraq was a bad idea.

What has that got to do with US though? he kills his own people, good for him... why the fuck do we become the world police and invade to stop him?

And there are people that don't understand why everyone hates the United States...

So you would save the life of a criminal over the life of a law abiding American Citizen? And yes, Iran is a terrorist organization, that's a proven fact. It is the job of our government to keep us safe. The biggest threat to us, and yes, even you, is Terror.

Oh and news flash, they're not all terrorists or criminals.

[Egon]

That is the dumbest comment I've read all week. Sadam violated 17 UN resolutions, mass murdered hundreds of thousands of his own ppl. And was in bed with Terrorist. If he was not in bed with them, they would not be there today.

Shitstorm incoming in 3, 2, 1...

[quote:8f79f]So you would save the life of a criminal over the life of a law abiding American Citizen? And yes, Iran is a terrorist organization, that's a proven fact. It is the job of our government to keep us safe. The biggest threat to us, and yes, even you, is Terror.

[/quote:8f79f][/quote]
Oh, oh, i see. You're not serious, my bad.[/quote]


Yea, go ahead, and ignore the truth.

[Egon]

I have relatives that live in Israel..

And their weapons wouldn't be killing Americans in Iraq if we hadn't been in fucking Iraq in the first place.

That is the dumbest comment I've read all week. Sadam violated 17 UN resolutions, mass murdered hundreds of thousands of his own ppl. And was in bed with Terrorist. If he was not in bed with them, they would not be there today. I will never understand how any one in their right mind could think that Iraq was a bad idea.

What has that got to do with US though? he kills his own people, good for him... why the fuck do we become the world police and invade to stop him?

And there are people that don't understand why everyone hates the United States...

So you would save the life of a criminal over the life of a law abiding American Citizen? And yes, Iran is a terrorist organization, that's a proven fact. It is the job of our government to keep us safe. The biggest threat to us, and yes, even you, is Terror.

Oh and news flash, they're not all terrorists or criminals.

Who is they? Are you talking about Sadam? Iran? Who?

[Exoduso]

Arabs in general. You seem to think they're all evil terrorists whose only purpose in life is to kill americans or something.

[Correction]

And yes, Iran is a terrorist organization, that's a proven fact.

This is why I hate these topics; twats from both extremes of the argument come pouring out of the woodwork.

[Egon]

Arabs in general. You seem to think they're all evil terrorists whose only purpose in life is to kill americans or something.

When did i say that Arabs are all bad in general? I said the Iranian Government was, and I said Sadam was. Didn't know that equals all of Arabs.

[Kuya]

And yes, Iran is a terrorist organization, that's a proven fact.

This is why I hate these topics; twats from both extremes of the argument come pouring out of the woodwork.

I don't think he's serious, besides, no point in arguing with him anyway.

I think i'll call him Conservative quartz.

[Correction]

Arabs in general. You seem to think they're all evil terrorists whose only purpose in life is to kill americans or something.

When did i say that Arabs are all bad in general? I said the Iranian Government was, and I said Sadam was. Didn't know that equals all of Arabs.

You said 'Iran is a terrorist organization proven fact blah blah blah.' I see 4 scenarios here.

1) You genuinely can't differentiate between a sovereign nation (Iran) and its military (IRGC) and are therefore a fool.
2) You don't think about what you claim is a 'proven fact' before you boast as much and are therefore a fool.
3) You don't actually think about what you type at all and just think we know what you meant in the firstplace...and are therefore a fool.
4) You are a horrible troll, and are therefore a fool.

Don't lose an argument before you start it really, or you won't be taken seriously, ever.