Lieberman-Kyl amendment

[Correction]

There's a few more than 3800 troops over there right now....

Point is: Stop pulling numbers entirely out of your ass, ya fuckin' troll.

[sephir]

I have relatives that live in Israel..

And their weapons wouldn't be killing Americans in Iraq if we hadn't been in fucking Iraq in the first place.

That is the dumbest comment I've read all week. Sadam violated 17 UN resolutions, mass murdered hundreds of thousands of his own ppl. And was in bed with Terrorist. If he was not in bed with them, they would not be there today. I will never understand how any one in their right mind could think that Iraq was a bad idea.

Many of the parents of 3,800 dead US soldiers might be in their right minds thinking they wished this war never happened.

Asshole.

I bet 99.9% of those parents are proud for what their children died for. I'll suck your dick if you can prove otherwise.

99.9% of 3800 would leave 3.8 parents that would have to speak against the Iraq War...

http://www.mfso.org/

There's at least 4 parents in there. Assume the position and get down on your knees.

Aww man, you beat me to it. Saved me the trouble of finding a site like that at least.[/quote]


There's a few more than 3800 troops over there right now....[/quote]


You said, they'd be proud of what their children Died for. There are more than 3800 troops in Iraq right now, but you referenced the ones that died. Either way, this war is somewhat like vietnam in that leaving would cause major problems but as with staying. You can't forget that American soldiers are not the only ones dying because of this war. Hundreds of thousads have fled the country and probobly equal that have died as a direct result of this war.

I went to Europe(Italy) back in March and it was really sad at just the shear amount of Iraqi refugees there were in the Streets. I've been to Italy before and never saw anything like this pre-Iraq. America is lucky it hasn't seen this sort of refugee push but I'm certian that it will happen if conditions do not improve. Quite literally around places like venice, Siena and Piza there were THOUSANDS of people begging for spare change. It was really sad at just the shear volume, and it is difficult to express in words.

Only allow 6 quote maximum, so ya.

[Charla]

There's a few more than 3800 troops over there right now....

Technically the correct way to do this would be:

T = total number of Americans there
D = current number of dead Americans there
At = total number of angry families
Ad = number of angry families of dead relatives

So what we're trying to prove is that Ad >= .001*D
According to statistics, Ad/D should follow the same general trend as At/T, unless having someone die suddenly makes one prouder or more patriotic (one would naturally suspect it to be the opposite). Therefore, Ad/D >= .001 when At/T >= .001. Therefore, the number of families complaining would need to be over 1/1000 of the current strength of the occupation for the original statement to be considered statistically disproven. That's about 200-300 signatures, depending on which numbers you prefer to use.

See? Statistics can be fun!

[Alleya]

Hundreds of thousads have fled the country and probobly equal that have died as a direct result of this war.

I went to Europe(Italy) back in March and it was really sad at just the shear amount of Iraqi refugees there were in the Streets. I've been to Italy before and never saw anything like this pre-Iraq. America is lucky it hasn't seen this sort of refugee push but I'm certian that it will happen if conditions do not improve. Quite literally around places like venice, Siena and Piza there were THOUSANDS of people begging for spare change. It was really sad at just the shear volume, and it is difficult to express in words.

Only allow 6 quote maximum, so ya.

2 million displaced in the country, 2 million displaced internationally. It's a humanitarian crisis in neighbouring countries, but the news media over here only cares about OJ Simpson and carbombs, and the administration only cares about beating the war drum for Iran.

[guartz]

how about total number of angry dead iraqis?


edit: Imagine how many ppl will flee iran if US bombs it. I think everyone will goto azerbaijan. Which is interesting because the real estate prices in baku skyrocketed recently. Maybe others thought of this scenario too.

[Xavier]

It amazes me that everyone labels Iran as the aggressor. At the beginning of the 20th century, Iran harbored no animosity towards America. When the democratic government of Iran in the late 1940s and early 1950s decided to nationalize its oil to actually have their country see profit from their own natual resources, the British (who had previously controlled this oil) and the USA organized a coup which overthrew the democratically elected Prime Minister, Dr. Mohammad Mossadegh, and put the Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, back into power. Iran then spent 25 years under what amounts to a dictatorship, before emotions finally erupted into the Iranian Revolution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax

Why do they hate us? Because we're so well off? Maybe. But its much more likely that they hate us because we fucked with their sovereignty (at a time when they were becoming a democracy, the very thing we now proclaim we want the middle east to be, ironic, no?) over natural resources. America has nobody to blame but itself for the hostility it faces in the world, and if it wants an actual chance at peace, needs to learn patience and tolerence, instead of the cowbow "if you aren't with us, you're against us" mantra.

Does America face very real threats from enemies around the globe, yes. Was it often our own intervention in their political affairs in the name of natural resources that caused this threat, yes. Is the motherfucking solution really more intervention in their political affairs to end the threat? America has, by far, the most powerful military in the world. Presently, there is no country we couldn't absolutely annihilate in a traditional war. Yet, if Iraq has taught anyone anything, its that traditional wars do not apply to terrorism. You either have to understand your enemy and find common ground, or completely purge every last human on the planet, since the more you attack them, the more supporters they bring to their cause. I'd personally rather find peaceful solutions to international problems, through institutions like the United Nations, than return to a full blown age of imperialism that the US is headed towards. Its lonely, and it never ends well.
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And to you people arguing, whos grasp of the situation doesn't extend beyond what Bill tells you on the O'Fear Factor, need to either open a book or shut your mouths. You're the root of the problem.

[Andarvi]

It amazes me that everyone labels Iran as the aggressor. At the beginning of the 20th century, Iran harbored no animosity towards America. When the democratic government of Iran in the late 1940s and early 1950s decided to nationalize its oil to actually have their country see profit from their own natual resources, the British (who had previously controlled this oil) and the USA organized a coup which overthrew the democratically elected Prime Minister, Dr. Mohammad Mossadegh, and put the Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, back into power. Iran then spent 25 years under what amounts to a dictatorship, before emotions finally erupted into the Iranian Revolution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax

Why do they hate us? Because we're so well off? Maybe. But its much more likely that they hate us because we fucked with their sovereignty (at a time when they were becoming a democracy, the very thing we now proclaim we want the middle east to be, ironic, no?) over natural resources. America has nobody to blame but itself for the hostility it faces in the world, and if it wants an actual chance at peace, needs to learn patience and tolerence, instead of the cowbow "if you aren't with us, you're against us" mantra.

Does America face very real threats from enemies around the globe, yes. Was it often our own intervention in their political affairs in the name of natural resources that caused this threat, yes. Is the motherfucking solution really more intervention in their political affairs to end the threat? America has, by far, the most powerful military in the world. Presently, there is no country we couldn't absolutely annihilate in a traditional war. Yet, if Iraq has taught anyone anything, its that traditional wars do not apply to terrorism. You either have to understand your enemy and find common ground, or completely purge every last human on the planet, since the more you attack them, the more supporters they bring to their cause. I'd personally rather find peaceful solutions to international problems, through institutions like the United Nations, than return to a full blown age of imperialism that the US is headed towards. Its lonely, and it never ends well.
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And to you people arguing, whos grasp of the situation doesn't extend beyond what Bill tells you on the O'Fear Factor, need to either open a book or shut your mouths. You're the root of the problem.

Wow. Interesting how that has stayed out of the any history book ive been exposed to.

Edit: Im not saying you are full of it, im saying its funny how its never talked about. Just to clarify.

[guartz]

Oh the mossadeigh coup was one of the humble and reserved things America did back then.

edit: Though it was interesting how Washington feigned surprise and shock during iranian hostage crisis 1979.

[Charla]

There's a lot of things my history books never covered (the Crusades is always the first one I think of. We had to spend about a month on ancient Egypt to avoid getting to the Crusades).

Iran and Iranians might have good reasons to resent what we did 80 years ago. It's people like, say, the Saudi Arabian underclass that hate us for more nebulous reasons like keeping their monarchy in power and living immorally over here.

Nobody needs to open a book to find a good encyclopedia these days. That's what the internets is for.

[guartz]

Iran and Iranians might have good reasons to resent what we did 80 years ago. It's people like, say, the Saudi Arabian underclass that hate us for more nebulous reasons like keeping their monarchy in power and living immorally over here.

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