Prudence - without kiting

[Ehran]

I've read through most of the posted strategies involving JoPrudence, and most all of them involve kiting one of the clones around a tree, or dragging it far far away while the first is killed.

I'm curious if any groups have been successful beating Prudence without having to kite the second dolphin away. What set ups do you use? Does kiting make things *that* much easier?

[Agrona]

The way my ls used to fight Prudence was to kite one around the bush while we tried to kill the second one. This usually ended up pretty messy so we tried the kite far away strat. It generally makes the fight a hundred times cleaner. At least from what we've seen.

[Kaylia]

It generally involve a lot of blm and 2 tank holding them. You drop them to low hp, and finish them both individually (if they die at the same time, you dont get any drop). 4% per unresisted nuke, so you need around 25 unresisted nuke (make it 40 nuke with resistance build up)

Can it be done with melee? Maybe, but perfect dodge, teleport+ws, strong aoe, strong poison aoe will make it a real pain if you fight them both at the same time. Solo thief kiting 1 away, +4-5 blm and 1 tank nuking the other one is so much easier and safer.

[Kaylia]

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=20749&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=se a

I posted in that thread how we kill Prudence in details. It worked for us every time, and it's pretty easy to execute once you know how.

[Berdysh]

Some groups hold both copies in place and BLM burn the both of them, finishing them each off separately when they hit low HP. My LS is pretty small so we're generally short on support and kiting makes the fight much easier for us. We spawn them at night, and have a NIN with AF1 boots and a healer immediately grab a copy off me (I come NIN/DRK, to main tank) and kite it around the island far South. The key to doing it this way is to separate the two before they use a TP attack, or their hate will link together. If you can get the kited one clear pretty fast, then it's no problem for your kite team to stay alive until you are done with the main one. As for damage, he PDs a lot so BLM and RNG work best. Generally we bring 16-17, 3-4 BLMs, and the fight never gives us much trouble. Get the first one down fast, and you can kite the second one around the bush on the main island as long as you need.

That said, if you're a larger LS and have the BLM at your disposal, I would definitely go with the lock two in place and manaburn strategy. It certainly leaves less room for error, and Prudence can be a pain if things go awry.

[Wulfgang]

We've never kited, face the two copies tail to tail with a PLD on each. Requires significant support but fight is short. RNGs are as good as BLMs imo as RA's go through PD; just easier to drop repeated -ga II's so their HP remains even.

[Suiram]

I don't know why you wouldn't want to kite one off. It only takes 1~3 people and it just makes it a lot easier. Doesn't really make the fight slower since it's about half a minute to bring it back to the ??? site, and like people said then you have one Prudence doing Sinuate Rush instead of two.

As for killing with non-rng and non-blm, I don't see that it would make the fight harder (as distinct from longer), as it wouldn't require much more healing if people came /nin for his WSs, it would just take a bit longer because of the periods where they can't damage it.

[Kaylia]

If a fight require more healing/ppl with a different strats (ie: more people), I usually say it's harder that way. Adding more melee mean you will have to deal with a lot more WS, and it become hard to manage really quickly.

[Lujei]

I don't know why you wouldn't want to kite one off. It only takes 1~3 people and it just makes it a lot easier. Doesn't really make the fight slower since it's about half a minute to bring it back to the ??? site, and like people said then you have one Prudence doing Sinuate Rush instead of two.

My old LS actually kited the second fish too far once and it ended up depoping. That's one reason I can see the hesitation at kiting it off, but as long as you don't bring it too far there shouldn't be a problem.

[Alibeemac]

Kited the first time we tried Prudence and was horrid. Now were never do anything but burn them down together. A PLD on each and 6-7 blms starting out with aga 1 til hate set then going to aga 2. Once they get low, blms nuke off one then then other. Nice and easy, usually have at most 1-2 deaths from overnuking BLMs. Need a few healers to keep the PLDs up but other than that its easy and quick and painless.

[Evelyn]

my ls kills them one at a time (as far as I remember, go go support job not knowing wtf is going on), but the other is straight-tanked by a second pld a moderate distance away, enough to lose the sync crap. Quite possible to hold both, and only damaging one makes the TP moves easier to handle, plus hate is better on the second one so BLMs can let go.

[Kerberoz]

We just hold them together and have a bunch of blms whittle away at them with -ga2 until they're both 10% or so then synch kill. Just be careful not to pull hate and MPK people.

[NynJa]

melee on JoP is LAWL. It does perfect dodge every 10% (atleast in my experience, it was coincidentally every 10%), so going melee only means a guaranteed 4.5 minutes of whiffing. Use blm's.

[CoronA1979]

In the beginning, we pulled it to trees and kited one around a rock til the other was dead, and then proceeded to kite that one through the trees til it also was dead.

However, since obtaining our Aegis, we don't do it like that anymore. Since Prudence will "Warp" to whomever pulls mass hate what we do is have our Paladin (/war) voke one, flash the other, and then pop spirits on the one he voked. It usually glues them both to him. Black Mages then whittle away at one, with yes, lolmelee (SAM/THF) getting a gekko in whenever they can in between the PD's. Once the first dies, we put another Paladin cross from the first one, for SATA setup. It works fine for us but I could see it being brutal pre-aegis. Requires quite a bit of support, and sometimes Black Mages like to pull hate and eat Sinuate Rush