Ravin Raven(discovered!)

[Rocl]

I'm going to sound like a little bitch, but let's try to focus on what we can improve.

We know vandalizing wiki is a cheap thrill (long live Mandragora King), but really it's just going to cause animosity and probably retaliation, and we've been hit on BGwiki several times and it's a pain in the ass.

We can complain all day that FFXIclopedia takes this or that, but in the end, they'll take it with our consent, or they'll take it without it. However reasonable the mods may be, there are tens of thousands of people editing that thing, so there's no way every one of them is going to care about infringing on our stuff.

So, looking at Ravin Raven, I see that they've put a [Source] tag next to Ravin Raven's pop conditions. I think that's something we should encourage. Talking to Chrisjander, they say that if they take facts from other forums, they will source them, and have done so many times in the past to Alla or KI.

<Elmerthepointy> Well I see in Ravin Raven there's [source] thing that links to the BG thread
<Elmerthepointy> Is that okay to be there?
<Chrisjander> I put that there
<Elmerthepointy> ok
<Chrisjander> if it's true, we do source to other sites
<Chrisjander> we have many linking to alla and KI

Of course, there will be times (especially with a new expansion coming) where our information will not be sourced. So what do you do? Just go in and source it. Don't erase the page, don't add nekkid pictures. If you do, you'll just get banned and put the admins at FFXIclopedia in a bad mood so when you do request a source they'll be more inclined to tell you to gtfo. Seriously, this new expansion is going to be a clutser-f if we don't find a reasonable way to share information. Every new discovery will incite another flame thread.

As for the image, I don't know what to tell you. The same thing applies though, if you go charging in yelling the admins are going to get defensive and not want to work with you. It's a problem of the internet; you put something up and instantly it's everywhere. If you want to keep your work off of Wikia, let's standardize a BG watermark. Pictures with PCs or branded images fall below their acceptable standards and either aren't posted, or marked for deletion. This includes Ravin Raven, which is going to be replaced as soon as another picture comes in. I've been told that BG images will not be "cropped" by wikia staff to cheat either. Again, if one of their users violates this, take it down, leave a request in discussion, and the staff will be more inclined to work with you.

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<Elmerthepointy> I mean though if they want a way to keep images theirs, they can watermark them and they won't appear on wikia
<Chrisjander> yeah
<Chrisjander> I'd delete images with BG watermarks
<Chrisjander> someone else might crop it out though
<Chrisjander> but it's a good preventative measure in general
<Chrisjander> I"ll recommend Charitwo doesn't crop BG images, just so it doesn't incite people

I think a translucent icon of the BGwiki dragon would go nicely in the bottom corner of pictures.

We can't win all these battles, but we can have things our way if we get creative about it. It's like that Prisoner's Dilemma thing. If both parties give a little they both get what they want. If both parties take for themselves, everyone loses. It involved boxes or something.[/quote:35031]

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Best Course of Action in my professional opinion of forum whoring

[Zalius]

I guess it's ok to steal someones sig and horrible vandalize it ; ; ; ; ; ;

MAKE IT BETTER *******

[Tricen]

I guess it's ok to steal someones sig and horrible vandalize it ; ; ; ; ; ;

MAKE IT BETTER *******

You are evil.

[Seraph]

Whole lotta stuff...

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Best Course of Action in my professional opinion of forum whoring

Yeah, I don't want to start a shitstorm. Just kinda hit me like "Wow, way to blatently steal the shit." I know it's not mine legally but that still doesn't keep me from making the face.

Anyways, I'll take a break from the ass jokes and finish this stupid SL rankup-a-thon. 8)

[soichiro]

I popped this tonight, Elm log Drop. Try again next week!

[TacoTaru]

I thought I remembered reading a year or so ago that you're not allowed to publicly post screenshots that have other players names in them without that players consent to do so. If so, they have to take down that picture on Raven.

Is that true or did I just make that up?

[Stromgarde]

Probably won't do jack, but it's going into my sig from now on.

[Seraph]

*** I have completely changed my mind.***

The pic of Ravin Raven shows his ass, and therefore I approve of it being on Wikia. Delicious irony. Derail over~~~~~~~~

http://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/d/d9/RavinRaven.jpg

[Sonomaa]

as per a conversation with charitwo, the image has been removed from otherwiki.

(Deletion log); 00:17 . . Charitwo (Talk | contribs) (deleted "Image:RavinRaven.jpg": ending this drama)

Go home people, lets all have some cake and giggle about this morrow.

[Ashira]

They still don't have the damn Elm Log in the drop table...

Nor do they mention that Pineapples can also send you to Mt. Zhayolm in Totoroon's Treasure Hunt.

That's right, add that info and be sure to source it to this thread; there is a screenshot of and at least two personal testimonials about Elm Logs; and a number of testimonials to Mt. Zhayolm as well.



All right everyone:

ANCIENT BOMB AND ALMIGHTY APKALLU GO

[TacoTaru]

I didn't see if it had been confirmed or not, but is it ANY logging point in Caedarva with the quest flagged or is there a specific one you have to use?

[skurlover]

I didn't see if it had been confirmed or not, but is it ANY logging point in Caedarva with the quest flagged or is there a specific one you have to use?

Any, same with mining points in Mt. Z.

Yeah, THAT'S RIGHT, I GOT MT. Z'D. :<

[Ashira]

omg pineapples can send you to mt z?!?!?!

but wikia doesn't say that;;

[TacoTaru]

omg pineapples can send you to mt z?!?!?!

but wikia doesn't say that;;

then clearly it can't be true 8)

[Seraph]

I didn't see if it had been confirmed or not, but is it ANY logging point in Caedarva with the quest flagged or is there a specific one you have to use?

My group has used 3 different logging points, all of them worked for the 3 different people. I'd say it's safe to say any point works in the zone...


Edit: Also, what the hell? I asked for the pic to come off, it stays. I ask to have it left up, it comes down. Bizarro day or something? Bizarro wiki? /headache

[TacoTaru]

K, thanks for clarifying. Heading out there after this stupid Devil Manta pops to try my luck >_>

[Charitwo]

They still don't have the damn Elm Log in the drop table...

fixed (btw, the protection level was changed from sysop to autoconfirmed if you didn't notice)

Nor do they mention that Pineapples can also send you to Mt. Zhayolm in Totoroon's Treasure Hunt.

That's right, add that info and be sure to source it to this thread; there is a screenshot of and at least two personal testimonials about Elm Logs; and a number of testimonials to Mt. Zhayolm as well.

That information was moved here, and it also sources to BG per my convo with elmer

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Totor ... asure_Hunt

[Zhais]

not if mierin has anything to do with it.

The discussion was closed when I said it was not a copyright violation. There is no need to respond to them. --FFXI-Mierin Talk / Contrib 04:18, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

If you're deleting the image, delete the "source" stuff. We only "source" guides and the like. Not facts about the game. --FFXI-Mierin Talk / Contrib 05:22, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

That was a slightly inaccurate statement by Chris. We source guides. We source them for copyright reasons. This is the facts about the pop conditions for a NM. If we were to source everything in this game, it would get out of control. Sources like this one used to be in the wiki for alla and the like, but were since removed because it was determined that they were superfluous. They remained only to credit original, creative work. Not facts. --FFXI-Mierin Talk / Contrib 05:27, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[Charitwo]

The source of the info is warranted imo in it's current state, it's a fair trade off to keep some of the unknown people from blanking our pages.

[Zhais]

I agree! Convince mierin ._.