Hey SE

[Priran]

we need a WS that hits 54 times

Doesn't Hexa Strike + KC do that already?

no that only hits 42 times

[spooky]

we need a WS that hits 54 times

Doesn't Hexa Strike + KC do that already?

no that only hits 42 times

Shit, my bad. Q_Q

[spooky]

I think that was uncalled for. :(

[theo]

first off, you're forgetting healing feather, which is both a third slot and a second WHM-exclusive. second, you forget obis. third, you're forgetting that no one would want to wear any of it except light staff.

Cool, point out cure potency as a valid argument and then contradict yourself by saying nobody would want to wear it anyway. lolhealingfeather.

Oh, and for the second time, I never said additional curing power would "fix" whm. In fact I never even suggested it was broken to begin with. Its a perfectly fine job when played well and I only mentioned it in the first place because it sticks out to me as odd that the job doesn't have an innate curing bonus.

[Ryko]

Hey SE

Don't think you can bribe me to change my opinion.

[Priran]

first off, you're forgetting healing feather, which is both a third slot and a second WHM-exclusive. second, you forget obis. third, you're forgetting that no one would want to wear any of it except light staff.

Cool, point out cure potency as a valid argument and then contradict yourself by saying nobody would want to wear it anyway. lolhealingfeather.

I'm sorry, no one else except WHM. I'm pretty sure WHMs wear Noble's Tunics pretty often, and healing feathers if they can win the ENM.

[Charla]

blah blah blah super mp efficiency won't out-weigh everything RDM brings to the table.

R3 will.

[Amele]

blah blah blah super mp efficiency won't out-weigh everything RDM brings to the table.

R3 will.

I lol'd.

[Rocl]

blah blah blah super mp efficiency won't out-weigh everything RDM brings to the table.

R3 will.

I lol'd.

Oh man, I lost like 2.4k exp

Oh hey it's five minutes later in a merit party and I have it back ^^

[Priran]

blah blah blah super mp efficiency won't out-weigh everything RDM brings to the table.

R3 will.

I lol'd.

Oh man, I lost like 2.4k exp

Oh hey it's five minutes later in a merit party and I have it back ^^

but if you need your members in peak form for DL, and someone really NEEDS that r3 to keep their god damn lvl, you should give it to them or I'm going to break your fucking pearl.

[Ashira]

Why is this a WHM argument thread all of a sudden.


/sobs

[Ramzii]

blah blah blah super mp efficiency won't out-weigh everything RDM brings to the table.

R3 will.

I lol'd.

Oh man, I lost like 2.4k exp

Oh hey it's five minutes later in a merit party and I have it back ^^

but if you need your members in peak form for DL, and someone really NEEDS that r3 to keep their god damn lvl, you should give it to them or I'm going to break your fucking pearl.

oh hi there harley

[Sera]

from the time i did the promvyons til the time i got my CoP ring over a year passed. Even if i paid attention during the cutscenes I highly doubt i'd have remembered anything to connect them together.

You actually wasted time reading those hour long cutscenes? Even with me spamming through them some took like 10 minutes.

This made me Q.Q a little bit. Whenever I felt the game was starting to lack in "fun" and I happen to finish a new mission for whatever storyline we're talking about, the cutscenes are what reminded me of why this game was so amazing and emotional. Playing an SE game for something other than the storyline (which is what SE is famous for) just seems like it's a crime. Poor developers who worked so hard on the epicness of it all. Q.Q

You're right, the stories are really amazing, but it doesn't make up for the sheer stupidity of everything ELSE that is wrong with this game.
The story is only ONE part of the puzzle.

[Caestus]

What really annoys me SE is the fact Weapon Bash DOES NOT GIVE TP WTF? Dark needs to be getting TP for that shit. thank god for Tractor though.

[Plow]

for whm-- give rdm refresh II and add 1 mp refresh per level of regen to regens


i.e. regen 1 gives 1mp/tic, regen II gives 2mp/tic, regen III 3

[Dian]

blah blah blah super mp efficiency won't out-weigh everything RDM brings to the table.

R3 will.

I lol'd.

Oh man, I lost like 2.4k exp

Oh hey it's five minutes later in a merit party and I have it back ^^

Not quite as easy as all that for PLD.

[Therin]

Hey guys I just figured since SE was reading this thread that I'd post about how PLD needs a damage mitigation job ability.

Thanks.

Btw, is that really Cait Sith?

[Ciaran]

WHM just needs to be able to cure MP too, ta-da all our problems are solved.

Devotion, hi.

Yeah, I know that's not what you meant, but that's still a life saver ability.

And as far as standard merit parties at Colibri Camp go, if I'm asked to pick between a WHM (with nobles tunic and /SMN) and a RDM (without A.Body or AF2 Hat), I'd pick the WHM. A WHM's cures will nearly always be more than a RDM's, and Regen 3 saves a lot of MP in cures for the WHM. The only thing the WHM particularly lacks is Convert. (Both RDM and WHM will receive the nearly the same amount of MP refresh in this instance. RDM Refresh gives 150 MP at 3 mp per tic, and costs 40mp. Which turns the net mp gain down to 110mp spread across 50 tics, or 2.2mp per tic. WHM will receive 2mp from Nobles Tunic and /SMN, without taking the time out to cast the spell.)

To enforce this, a friend of mine has both a 75 Mithra WHM and a 75 Taru RDM. She's used both at bird camp, often times in the same party (swapping them out when her WHM hits 10 merit points,) and it's really clear WHM excels over RDM at that camp. She rarely runs below half mp on WHM, and we rarely have deaths. Her RDM requires convert several times and is all around more hectic for her to play. Same player, both jobs well equipped, but WHM just naturally has an easier time at that camp. North camp, you kinda need RDM for dispel and silence.

Also, my HNMLS always has a WHM in the tank party at any event we do, unless none are on. Even in Dynamis, our calling party is 3xDD, RDM WHM BRD. And, in a RDM WHM HNM setting, a WHM's MP regen will be far greater than a normal RDM's, and equal to the most pimped out. They will get the +3 mp from their RDM's refresh, +1 from /SMN, and +1 from Nobles. To say a RDM would accomplish the same, they would need A.Body and AF2 hat, and still their cures would still do less and they would lack Regen 2/3. Hell, I think a WHM's cures are as fast as ours, too, if not faster.

So, aside from Convert, I fail to see what exactly a RDM has over WHM. (And I could argue the benefits of Convert vs. the MP saved by a WHM's Cure Efficiency, but I'm too lazy and this is getting too long.) Realistically, a RDM + WHM in tank party is the absolute best you can do. RDM + RDM just won't do nearly as well. So, yeah. I don't think RDM is a replacement for WHM, and as a RDM myself I wouldn't want to replace a WHM. They are just better at their jobs than we are.


But @SE. I'd gladly take Refresh II. Or Refreshga. Or Dispelga. Or Hastega. (COME ON, Beastmen have Hastega. Why can't we?)

[rezn0r]

Hell, I think a WHM's cures are as fast as ours, too, if not faster.

faster with merits, cure clogs, and loquacious at least; been awhile since i've used other combinations for speed (rostrums, etc)

[Rai]

And as far as standard merit parties at Colibri Camp go, if I'm asked to pick between a WHM (with nobles tunic and /SMN) and a RDM (without A.Body or AF2 Hat), I'd pick the WHM. [...]

To be honest, I think most WHM have problems out-lasting RDMs simply because they fail to grasp the concept of both how to be efficient on MP and to choose the right sub.

/cue "I like the Auto-Refresh and more max MP" WHM/SMN.

Yeah, those 20MP/minute are gonna make a difference.