Hey SE

[Plow]

I really hope SE does something for blu, there is just little to no reason to invite them to high level exp anymore when 2h'ers running around pwning everything.

WTF?! BLU is not only overpowered it's fucking awesome. I invite them to merit PT's all the time (The good ones) on my WAR and they do excellent. And for gods sake, they are so powerful they can solo pretty decent merits on imps. What the fuck more do you want? Spike flail? Just because you suck at BLU doesn't mean BLU sucks. They are stupidly powerful in just about everything.

THF and PUP are the only real jobs getting the short end of the stick but even then a GOOD THF on Birds can do pretty well. PUP... Well it just fucking sucks... PLD you can get good exp on but you aren't going to get into a WAR burn for 20k a hour on it. Getting 10-15k a hour on PLD isn't hard though, and if you are smart you'll even have fun doing so.

I haven't seen a BLU that I think could keep up with my war or drk yet, but on flying stuff I've certainly seen some thf that can. Mainly because of mana limitations, really. They most definitely have more than their fair share of roles and power in pretty much any situation outside merits though, that's for sure.


Don't underestimate that dmg bonus either man... I had a *72* war/nin using polearm in mire the other day averaging well over 900, maybe over 1000 (most were in the 1000-1300 range) with penta at a pretty high tp rate.

[KimimaroKun]

I haven't seen a BLU that I think could keep up with my war or drk yet, but on flying stuff I've certainly seen some thf that can. Mainly because of mana limitations, really. They most definitely have more than their fair share of roles and power in pretty much any situation outside merits though, that's for sure.

Man, all a BLU needs is Refresh. With Refresh and decent gear they are fucking unstopable. They can solo skillchains including light, they are extremely versatile, they can do 1337 damage DOT and Spike wise, what more do they fucking want? I have as of late seen the good one's being unleshed on shit like Dynamis Lord, jailers, Cerberus, Kings, etc... Asking SE to make BLU more powerful is fucking retarded. If anything I would think they would need to be nerfed

[Charismatic]

I haven't seen a BLU that I think could keep up with my war or drk yet, but on flying stuff I've certainly seen some thf that can. Mainly because of mana limitations, really. They most definitely have more than their fair share of roles and power in pretty much any situation outside merits though, that's for sure.

Man, all a BLU needs is Refresh. With Refresh and decent gear they are fucking unstopable. They can solo skillchains including light, they are extremely versatile, they can do 1337 damage DOT and Spike wise, what more do they fucking want? I have as of late seen the good one's being unleshed on shit like Dynamis Lord, jailers, Cerberus, Kings, etc... Asking SE to make BLU more powerful is fucking retarded. If anything I would think they would need to be nerfed

BLU isn't really overpowered at all in merits.
For some other things, maybe... but a fully pimped out (gear AND merits) WAR will stomp the shit out of a fully pimped out BLU whether the WAR is using Dual-Axes or Great Axe.

[KimimaroKun]

BLU isn't really overpowered at all in merits.
For some other things, maybe... but a fully pimped out (gear AND merits) WAR will stomp the shit out of a fully pimped out BLU whether the WAR is using Dual-Axes or Great Axe.

A Ridill WAR maybe, but axe/axe and GA?... I dunno, I beg to differ, but they are pretty damn close thats for sure. It would depend on the people, and parser results. Have you ever seen a completely maxed out BLU? I don't mean a piece or 2 of Homam. I mean a BLU who pretends they are god. And have insanely good gear and macro's to back it up. The kind that have a gear swap set for just about every spell they cast. They can do some insane shit in meripo.

[Saraphym]

BLU isn't really overpowered at all in merits.
For some other things, maybe... but a fully pimped out (gear AND merits) WAR will stomp the shit out of a fully pimped out BLU whether the WAR is using Dual-Axes or Great Axe.

A Ridill WAR maybe, but axe/axe and GA?... I dunno, I beg to differ, but they are pretty damn close thats for sure. It would depend on the people, and parser results. Have you ever seen a completely maxed out BLU? I don't mean a piece or 2 of Homam. I mean a BLU who pretends they are god. And have insanely good gear and macro's to back it up. The kind that have a gear swap set for just about every spell they cast. They can do some insane shit in meripo.

I think you're missing the point..

I haven't seen a BLU that I think could keep up with my war or drk yet, but on flying stuff I've certainly seen some thf that can. Mainly because of mana limitations, really. They most definitely have more than their fair share of roles and power in pretty much any situation outside merits though, that's for sure.

[Priran]

BLU isn't really overpowered at all in merits.
For some other things, maybe... but a fully pimped out (gear AND merits) WAR will stomp the shit out of a fully pimped out BLU whether the WAR is using Dual-Axes or Great Axe.

A Ridill WAR maybe, but axe/axe and GA?... I dunno, I beg to differ, but they are pretty damn close thats for sure. It would depend on the people, and parser results. Have you ever seen a completely maxed out BLU? I don't mean a piece or 2 of Homam. I mean a BLU who pretends they are god. And have insanely good gear and macro's to back it up. The kind that have a gear swap set for just about every spell they cast. They can do some insane shit in meripo.

Does Homam somehow make Disseverment not consume MP at over twice the rate Refresh replenishes it? Because otherwise you're trying to tell me that mediocre sword damage plus 1000 (generous estimate?) damage spikes every minute (a sustainable rate of MP consumption assuming all you cast is Disseverment and have 4 MP/tick refresh) is better than very good axe/g.axe damage plus 800 damage spikes every minute.

[Saraphym]

if anything, blms need help in the merit department tbh.

[KimimaroKun]

Does Homam somehow make Disseverment not consume MP at over twice the rate Refresh replenishes it? Because otherwise you're trying to tell me that mediocre sword damage plus 1000 (generous estimate?) damage spikes every minute (a sustainable rate of MP consumption assuming all you cast is Disseverment and have 4 MP/tick refresh) is better than very good axe/g.axe damage plus 800 damage spikes every minute.

No... I was actually implying the exact oposite. I was saying some BLU's think they are all hot and king's of their job because they get a Ohat and a few pieces of Homam. Which "Doesn't" make them into gods. And LOL@ BLU's who can't top 1000 damage, that's pathetic. You have to account for their skillchain and weapon skill damage to, i'm talking total combined DoT but for the record, my BLU is 10, so you'll have to argue this further with a fully decked out BLU who really knows how to answer your questions

[Lordender]

A good thf would more than likely stomp a pimped blu on those birds. My war and drk would crush my blu at any merit camp, Blu is severely lacking in meripo. I think blu is one of those jobs that suffer like drg did before the recent changes, they deal great damage until melee start to get real weapon skills, especially after the 2h update.

Blu does well in the end game but I think they suffer in exp sorta like smn.

[KimimaroKun]

A good thf would more than likely stomp a pimped blu on those birds. My war and drk would crush my blu at any merit camp. Blu is severely lacking in meripo. I think blu is one of those jobs that suffer like drg did before the recent changes, they deal great damage until melee start to get real weapon skills, especially after the 2h update.

Blu does well in the end game but I think they suffer in exp :/

Then your BLU must suck. And you don't know what a "pimped out blu" really is :D

You know what I think though? I think Ridill WAR needs a buff. Ever sense this damn 2 hander update all anyone wants is sam sam sam. Any SAM can outdamage a fully decked out Ridill WAR. They need to help Ridll WAR's in meripo by making the Ridill attack 42 time's per hit. And giving WAR the weapon skill "Omnislash" when equiped with a Ridill. Thats all that will save them

[Priran]

And LOL@ BLU's who can't top 1000 damage, that's pathetic.

I'd like you to meet my friend, the average. WARs can certainly Rampage for well above 800, but that's usually what it averages out to. Disseverment can hit for over 1000, but you'd need to be two or more of the following: ready with CA and 100 TP, certain to land all hits, or meriting on imps. And TP is hard to get when you always blow it on

skillchain and weapon skill damage

BLU can make what, Distortion and Light without their TP being a complete waste? In which case Distortion damage will probably suck, Light damage has a better chance of not sucking but uses sucky WS and spells, and in any case, you can't SC more than once every 2 minutes, and BLU doesn't have the kind of gear WAR needs to make Vorpal Blade work.

[Lordender]

A good thf would more than likely stomp a pimped blu on those birds. My war and drk would crush my blu at any merit camp. Blu is severely lacking in meripo. I think blu is one of those jobs that suffer like drg did before the recent changes, they deal great damage until melee start to get real weapon skills, especially after the 2h update.

Blu does well in the end game but I think they suffer in exp :/

Then your BLU must suck. And you don't know what a "pimped out blu" really is :D

You know what I think though? I think Ridill WAR needs a buff. Ever sense this damn 2 hander update all anyone wants is sam sam sam. Any SAM can outdamage a fully decked out Ridill WAR. They need to help Ridll WAR's in meripo by making the Ridill attack 42 time's per hit. And giving WAR the weapon skill "Omnislash" when equiped with a Ridill. Thats all that will save them

my blu is about as pimp as it can get and my thf would still destroy it on those birds.

[suji]

Are all the thf on garuda terrible or what?

You realize thief have a dmg bonus on like 80% of merit mobs now?

And ridill thf? You can't be serious...

I'm with this guy. I really haven't seen any THF issues that I disagree with since the patch. I'm still beating some pimped 2-handers and I don't even have a Mandau. I think most of the crap folks talk about THF performance now is just perception-oriented because the patch buffed 2H but not 1H.

If good thieves can keep up with good Ridill warriors and still merrily participate in ~25k exp parties before the patch, why should they really have anything to complain about? It all seems pretty balanced to me.

[Saraphym]

it's really not that hard to understand... any job that depends on MP for their main dmg (blu, smn, blm) will eventually fall behind in a merit due to mp limitations and the rate at which you're killing shit. this is common sense, think about it.

[KimimaroKun]

Damnit, where are all the decent BLU's? I'm not going to keep defending ya'll if you don't come in here and make it a point yourself.

Anyways, check KI's BLU forums for now. You'll see what they are truely capable of. Saying BLU needs to be buffed for Meripo though is just stupid. Look at jobs like PUP and RNG. They need buffs WAY before BLU.

[Lordender]

Damnit, where are all the decent BLU's? I'm not going to keep defending ya'll if you don't come in here and make it a point yourself.

Anyways, check KI's BLU forums for now. You'll see what they are truely capable of. Saying BLU needs to be buffed for Meripo though is just stupid. Look at jobs like PUP and RNG. They need buffs WAY before BLU.

I am very aware of what a blu can do, i was the 3rd NA blu to hit 75 on my server and was one of the first two NA blu's on my server to experience the end game with this job. We are behind the other melee alot after the 2h changes in exp when melee get their better weaponskills, I think we're fine in the end game against alot of the HNM's, cannonball is very effective. I am fully aware of how our numbers look in exp and on HNM but I still would compare it to smn where we both excel at HNM but lack in EXP.

[KimimaroKun]

Even if there is some truth to what you say, the only thing i might agree on is BLU's manapool. But even then, you can't deny the fact that BLM RNG WHM SMN and PUP needs buffs to help them in Merits WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY before BLU.

[Plow]

Even if there is some truth to what you say, the only thing i might agree on is BLU's manapool. But even then, you can't deny the fact that BLM RNG WHM SMN and PUP needs buffs to help them in Merits WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY before BLU.

Why not all at the same time?

[fantasticdan]

No... I was actually implying the exact oposite. I was saying some BLU's think they are all hot and king's of their job because they get a Ohat and a few pieces of Homam. Which "Doesn't" make them into gods. And LOL@ BLU's who can't top 1000 damage, that's pathetic. You have to account for their skillchain and weapon skill damage to, i'm talking total combined DoT but for the record, my BLU is 10, so you'll have to argue this further with a fully decked out BLU who really knows how to answer your questions

Even on greater colibri (weak to piercing), max blue magic merits, and pretty ideal geal, my CHAIN AFFINITY (2 minute timer) disseverment only averages like 950 dmg(of coarse you can see spikes higher than that). On higher defense neutral mobs the damage is so much lower, falls even farther behind other DD.

Disseverment can hit for over 1000, but you'd need to be two or more of the following: ready with CA and 100 TP

TP doesn't effect disseverment damage, and your acc should be capped during cast really so the TP is irrelevant.

it's really not that hard to understand... any job that depends on MP for their main dmg (blu & blm) will eventually fall behind in a merit due to mp limitations and the rate at which you're killing shit. this is common sense, think about it.

I don't think blu falls behind due to mp concerns, it is due to limitations associated with physical magic and casting times. All other DD become stronger and stronger as you add attack, haste, double attack, triple attack, crit rate, etc., while these stats only effect a portion of blus damage, the sword DoT of coarse. Physical damage spells fall further and further behind other DD as everyones gear gets better. Difference between ideal gear casting disseverment, and mediocre gear casting disseverment is negligible, no significant way to boost damage besides paltry secondary mods(except cannonball of coarse).

Chain affinity timer is also static and doesn't shorten with haste obviously, a constant limitation not shared by other DD while they spit out WS faster and faster with more haste. Firing off extra vorpal blades with our shitty gear selection does not compare.

Other main problem is all the time you spend casting and not swinging. Every time you cast a headbutt/cure/stun/flash/debuff/mpdrainkiss/etc. you are throwing DoT out the window and lowering tp gain. Even all those 1/2 second cast time physical spells add up. When you add all this together in the big picture it's like you always have a big %slow slapped on you. Keep in mind blu also usually loses 5% haste compared to other DDs, and wastes it's own time and mp casting refueling.

That being said, I don't think blu is a bad job, or that it should be top tier DD in merit pts, since it's power comes from it's utility really, but I do think it needs improvements, not necessarily in the area of dealing physical damage.

[KimimaroKun]

Even if there is some truth to what you say, the only thing i might agree on is BLU's manapool. But even then, you can't deny the fact that BLM RNG WHM SMN and PUP needs buffs to help them in Merits WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY before BLU.

Why not all at the same time?

Because... I want RNG to reign as supreme God of all once again . I think it would be funny in this day and time seeing :

RidillWAR>> (Party)?
RandomRNG>> (Arrow) (Burn) only plz