Hey SE

[Caestus]

perhaps you are missing my point.

rather than be a dick about it let me try and rephrase.


As it is now. Warrior can tank. It is however, not prefferd over PLD, NIN, and even RDM.

what i think would help Warrior become the tank they are capeable of is giving them Similar abilities as a PLD. and what would seperate PLD from WAR preferance is the ability to Cure on PLD. Flash etc etc.

there is a Defender 2 .dat file in FFXI. it's something that could be implimented into Warrior. you could even enhance Provoke to have a -% damage reduction for 10 seconds or something. just little things. While i do Understand PLD is Tank onry. Warrior is a jack of all trades. and master of none. it's more desierable to have a SAM or DRK in an alliance over a Warrior. and it's more desierable to have a PLD, NIN, or RDM tank over a Warrior.

see what i'm getting at?

[Dominious]

Oh well, here's to hoping WotG doesn't bring us more latent gear with stupid trigger conditions.

They'll probably add a level 75 body piece with a refresh latent, activated by red HP and no sub <.<

[Izzy]

Dear SE,

I would really like you to give WHM's A or A+ club skill. I would also like you to give a club update to WHM's similar to the one you gave two handers. This would be greatly appreciated by any WHM who has ever dreamed of hitting things with their clubs.

Regards,

-Izzy

[Kaita]

No matter what they'd give WAR it would never match BHITG. :[

[skurlover]

perhaps you are missing my point.

rather than be a dick about it let me try and rephrase.


As it is now. Warrior can tank. It is however, not prefferd over PLD, NIN, and even RDM.

what i think would help Warrior become the tank they are capeable of is giving them Similar abilities as a PLD. and what would seperate PLD from WAR preferance is the ability to Cure on PLD. Flash etc etc.

there is a Defender 2 .dat file in FFXI. it's something that could be implimented into Warrior. you could even enhance Provoke to have a -% damage reduction for 10 seconds or something. just little things. While i do Understand PLD is Tank onry. Warrior is a jack of all trades. and master of none. it's more desierable to have a SAM or DRK in an alliance over a Warrior. and it's more desierable to have a PLD, NIN, or RDM tank over a Warrior.

see what i'm getting at?

That's the fucking point.

And to the "WARs are not preferred over NINs and PLDs", there are many shells that use WARs as their main tanks in Dynamis just due to zerg style fighting doesn't take major amounts of shadows and/or self curing.

[Dian]

perhaps you are missing my point.

rather than be a dick about it let me try and rephrase.


As it is now. Warrior can tank. It is however, not prefferd over PLD, NIN, and even RDM.

what i think would help Warrior become the tank they are capeable of is giving them Similar abilities as a PLD. and what would seperate PLD from WAR preferance is the ability to Cure on PLD. Flash etc etc.

there is a Defender 2 .dat file in FFXI. it's something that could be implimented into Warrior. you could even enhance Provoke to have a -% damage reduction for 10 seconds or something. just little things. While i do Understand PLD is Tank onry. Warrior is a jack of all trades. and master of none. it's more desierable to have a SAM or DRK in an alliance over a Warrior. and it's more desierable to have a PLD, NIN, or RDM tank over a Warrior.

see what i'm getting at?

Have you ever considered that Warrior isn't an especially good tank because most Warriors gear for damage dealing. Also I'm sure 80% of the people who play warrior don't have Provoke macroed.

[Caestus]

perhaps you are missing my point.

rather than be a dick about it let me try and rephrase.


As it is now. Warrior can tank. It is however, not prefferd over PLD, NIN, and even RDM.

what i think would help Warrior become the tank they are capeable of is giving them Similar abilities as a PLD. and what would seperate PLD from WAR preferance is the ability to Cure on PLD. Flash etc etc.

there is a Defender 2 .dat file in FFXI. it's something that could be implimented into Warrior. you could even enhance Provoke to have a -% damage reduction for 10 seconds or something. just little things. While i do Understand PLD is Tank onry. Warrior is a jack of all trades. and master of none. it's more desierable to have a SAM or DRK in an alliance over a Warrior. and it's more desierable to have a PLD, NIN, or RDM tank over a Warrior.

see what i'm getting at?

That's the fucking point.

And to the "WARs are not preferred over NINs and PLDs", there are many shells that use WARs as their main tanks in Dynamis just due to zerg style fighting doesn't take major amounts of shadows and/or self curing.

Dynamis is nothing and can be won with 6. (aside from Beaucedine and Xarcabard)

things like Tiamat, Vrtra, Khimaria and Cerberus. how often do you see WAR tanking them? i've main tanked on WAR. you need good support as with any job. but it's obvious the above are PLD prefferd mobs. most LS (not all) would never let a WAR tank anything. Dynamis included. it's just bothersome to me.


i'm a Warrior who would absolutly love to tank anything in this game. but i've only been allowed to tank Fafnir. and i was a fill in tank on Tiamat and Cerberus until a PLD got there. then i was told to go switch to BRD.

[Seraph]

Dynamis is nothing and can be won with 6. (aside from Beaucedine and Xarcabard)

things like Tiamat, Vrtra, Khimaria and Cerberus. how often do you see WAR tanking them? i've main tanked on WAR. you need good support as with any job. but it's obvious the above are PLD prefferd mobs. most LS (not all) would never let a WAR tank anything. Dynamis included. it's just bothersome to me.


i'm a Warrior who would absolutly love to tank anything in this game. but i've only been allowed to tank Fafnir. and i was a fill in tank on Tiamat and Cerberus until a PLD got there. then i was told to go switch to BRD.

So, you want WAR to do better damage, and tank better than a PLD? Why not just erase the PLD job completely? Your desires seem slightly unrealistic. You can't have your cake, and eat it too.

[Tythera]

Dynamis is nothing and can be won with 6. (aside from Beaucedine and Xarcabard)

things like Tiamat, Vrtra, Khimaria and Cerberus. how often do you see WAR tanking them? i've main tanked on WAR. you need good support as with any job. but it's obvious the above are PLD prefferd mobs. most LS (not all) would never let a WAR tank anything. Dynamis included. it's just bothersome to me.


i'm a Warrior who would absolutly love to tank anything in this game. but i've only been allowed to tank Fafnir. and i was a fill in tank on Tiamat and Cerberus until a PLD got there. then i was told to go switch to BRD.

Wait, holy shit, different jobs are better than others at certain things? If you want to tank that stuff, level one of the primary tanks for that stuff. I don't see how wanting to be on par with jobs who can pretty much only tank endgame (and not do anything else) helps anything, if anything it makes things worse.

Edit: added the word endgame

[Ciaran]

perhaps you are missing my point.

rather than be a dick about it let me try and rephrase.


As it is now. Warrior can tank. It is however, not prefferd over PLD, NIN, and even RDM.

what i think would help Warrior become the tank they are capeable of is giving them Similar abilities as a PLD. and what would seperate PLD from WAR preferance is the ability to Cure on PLD. Flash etc etc.

there is a Defender 2 .dat file in FFXI. it's something that could be implimented into Warrior. you could even enhance Provoke to have a -% damage reduction for 10 seconds or something. just little things. While i do Understand PLD is Tank onry. Warrior is a jack of all trades. and master of none. it's more desierable to have a SAM or DRK in an alliance over a Warrior. and it's more desierable to have a PLD, NIN, or RDM tank over a Warrior.

see what i'm getting at?

If you're trying to go by the description SE gave us of the jobs, then the bolded section above is false. Red Mage is the "Jack of all trades, and master of none". Warriors have the description: "masters of all aspects of melee combat." Their role according to SE, from the beginning, is dealing damage. Not tanking.

[Caestus]

i'm not saying be a better tank than a PLD.


as it is now:

WAR can do great dmg on HNM. but SAM and DRK will always be prefferd over them

WAR can tank HNM with the help of good support.

PLD can't to DMG

PLD can tank HNM exceptionally well with the help of average support.

you can DD tank mobs like Fafnir, Hydra etc. on WAR. and you can DD tank Dynamis. but on mobs like Cerberus, Tiamat, Vrtra you generally can't DD tank nor would you want to. then it falls into where a Warrior will generally struggle a lot more for hate basically making 10 times better in that situation. Warrior imo needs

Spinning Slash for Great Sword. or a Great Axe WS that creates Light.

some Additional hate moves to generate more desire for Warrior Tanking.

Warrior was the Original tank. i'm also guessing none of you are Carreer Warriors? amirite?

[theo]

Warrior imo needs

Spinning Slash for Great Sword. or a Great Axe WS that creates Light.

Because people use Light SC on HNM? Ever?

Until recently WAR was the top DD period, after the 2H update it is still one of the best so I don't quite understand what you are asking for. If you want to tank bigger mobs, SE implemented the Job Change function for a reason.

[Therin]

Warrior was the Original tank. i'm also guessing none of you are Carreer Warriors? amirite?

Judging from your sig, neither are you.

[Tythera]

I'm not, but I have it fully merited with a ridill. Doesn't change the fact that wanting to tank on WAR for those couple things is retarded. Also if you're not pulling and holding hate on Cerberus you're doing something horrifically wrong, I can never get the fucking thing off me not even provoking. You can pretty much DD tank anything that doesn't fly or that you kite just fine with decent support. For those very infrequent mobs that fly or that are kited, I don't see how pushing the tank only jobs off those helps anything.

Edit: and even if it was the original tank, guess how it primarily held hate; I'll give you a hint, it wasn't JAs or spells.

[riddaraan]

perhaps you are missing my point.

rather than be a dick about it let me try and rephrase.


As it is now. Warrior can tank. It is however, not prefferd over PLD, NIN, and even RDM.

what i think would help Warrior become the tank they are capeable of is giving them Similar abilities as a PLD. and what would seperate PLD from WAR preferance is the ability to Cure on PLD. Flash etc etc.

there is a Defender 2 .dat file in FFXI. it's something that could be implimented into Warrior. you could even enhance Provoke to have a -% damage reduction for 10 seconds or something. just little things. While i do Understand PLD is Tank onry. Warrior is a jack of all trades. and master of none. it's more desierable to have a SAM or DRK in an alliance over a Warrior. and it's more desierable to have a PLD, NIN, or RDM tank over a Warrior.

see what i'm getting at?

That's the fucking point.

And to the "WARs are not preferred over NINs and PLDs", there are many shells that use WARs as their main tanks in Dynamis just due to zerg style fighting doesn't take major amounts of shadows and/or self curing.

Dynamis is nothing and can be won with 6. (aside from Beaucedine and Xarcabard)

things like Tiamat, Vrtra, Khimaria and Cerberus. how often do you see WAR tanking them? i've main tanked on WAR. you need good support as with any job. but it's obvious the above are PLD prefferd mobs. most LS (not all) would never let a WAR tank anything. Dynamis included. it's just bothersome to me.


i'm a Warrior who would absolutly love to tank anything in this game. but i've only been allowed to tank Fafnir. and i was a fill in tank on Tiamat and Cerberus until a PLD got there. then i was told to go switch to BRD.

"I'm the most preferred job for Merit PT's... *sob* But that's not good enough!! Oh, I know SE just gave me a huge potential boost, but that's not good enough!"

Honestly, if Paladin was your main job, you'd understand why people like you sound so moronic. I'm sorry to be so cruel here, but honestly, I've spent a few years working on DD PLD, and with my best setup (pre 2H patch) I could match AH WARs in merit PT. Now there's no way whatsoever. I tell you what, if PLD gets a boost to sword damage that will let us surpass AH WARs in merippo, so that we get a 50/50 shot at invites, then I'll be happy to conceed that you WARs should get to tank more.

Oh, and for the record - Defense on Endgame means as much as parmesan cheese on pizza. I haven't subbed WAR except for Limbus or city Dynamis in a couple years. I'm constantly espousing this. The difference between a PLD & a mage? Not the defense - the HP. One day I'll level WHM to 75 and find the right gear, and I'll tank on WHM/NIN just as well as I could on PLD.

Now in exp PT's, or similar low-end situations, Defense is a good option. But why should you ever choose blood tanking over shadows? If I could reliably (not have to rely on hastes/march) get Flash to 30 seconds or lower, and maintain a decent enmity & hp level, I'd never sub WAR.

[Ryko]

Because people use Light SC on HNM? Ever?

Assuming one is used at all, it generally is light.

[Demetrius*]

err...don't you have a 75 nin listed there in your sig? and you want to tank on war instead? ...what?

[riddaraan]

err...don't you have a 75 nin listed there in your sig? and you want to tank on war instead? ...what?

Basically they want to be an awesome DD who can tank perfectly at the same time while being able to cure and buff the party and nukify his own skillchains, I think. While all on the same job.

[Kaziel]

err...don't you have a 75 nin listed there in your sig? and you want to tank on war instead? ...what?

Basically they want to be an awesome DD who can tank perfectly at the same time while being able to cure and buff the party and nukify his own skillchains, I think. While all on the same job.

BLU/PLD? (yes I know it wouldn't work)

[Ryko]

WAR is pretty obsolete all around, which isn't to say it isn't a strong job, it just doesn't really have a place.