Hey SE

[shukuffxi]

Rerail! If there is an SE rep that reads here daily, and actually communicates (well, negative stuff, but it's communication), wouldn't this be a good time to make a serious thread about things? Maybe polls, I mean, didn't the FFXIC people get paid to make polls? If SE is really reading daily, let those in charge do something in a more orderly/serious manner, without the joke posts and such? Just thinking out loud.

Derail: Ridd, gimmie your pants

[Caestus]

Cake. Eaten. Still there. etc.

So, besides making WAR just like PLD with the exception they can switch back to "do really great damage mode" what do you want? Defender2 which causes attack to go to 0 and defense to go to 999? Don't see any way of changing WAR to give you what you desire without completely breaking the job, or making it into either just another SAM or PLD copycat.

The way I see it, 'melee' jobs generally (and this is a rough model) fall into one of three categories:
1 - Awesome damage, possibly some defense abilities.
2 - Good defense and good offensive abilities.
3 - Awesome defense, possibly some offensive abilities.

You are claiming WAR falls under #2, but want WAR to have both #2 and #3. How is that not broken?

you are totally missing the possibilities. having tanked on WAR, BRD, NIN. and seeing how the buffs to PLD worked. think about it for a second. PLD could tank before even without the Sentinal, Rampart buffs. but it just made it that much better.

Keep War the Way it is with a few added buffs. a bonus to provoke that adds -% Total dmg taken for 10 seconds. it's a 30 second recast job ability. i see no problem with this. also it will help EXP parties and HNM alliances alike that WAR won't be as afraid to provoke without shadows. right?

Defender 2. could be an ability that takes a partial dmg you take and add it to your HP. or possibly allevate some of the attack you lose to make Defensive tanking a little more viable for Warrior. while trying to DD. you can't do both on WAR. it's one or the other. this would break nothing. and in my opinion make things better in the long run for everyone and would bring Warrior back into the gist of things.

[Demetrius*]

relax rid i'm joking around. though its a little surprising to hear you try to tell me anything about game play with your experience. good luck on your next charbydis

[Seraph]

you are totally missing the possibilities. having tanked on WAR, BRD, NIN. and seeing how the buffs to PLD worked. think about it for a second. PLD could tank before even without the Sentinal, Rampart buffs. but it just made it that much better.

Keep War the Way it is with a few added buffs. a bonus to provoke that adds -% Total dmg taken for 10 seconds. it's a 30 second recast job ability. i see no problem with this. also it will help EXP parties and HNM alliances alike that WAR won't be as afraid to provoke without shadows. right?

Defender 2. could be an ability that takes a partial dmg you take and add it to your HP. or possibly allevate some of the attack you lose to make Defensive tanking a little more viable for Warrior. while trying to DD. you can't do both on WAR. it's one or the other. this would break nothing. and in my opinion make things better in the long run for everyone and would bring Warrior back into the gist of things.

So, you want to give WARs a version of Sentinel and shove a free special Ethereal earring up their butts? How is this not...........making WAR into a better DD PLD?

[Caestus]

you are totally missing the possibilities. having tanked on WAR, BRD, NIN. and seeing how the buffs to PLD worked. think about it for a second. PLD could tank before even without the Sentinal, Rampart buffs. but it just made it that much better.

Keep War the Way it is with a few added buffs. a bonus to provoke that adds -% Total dmg taken for 10 seconds. it's a 30 second recast job ability. i see no problem with this. also it will help EXP parties and HNM alliances alike that WAR won't be as afraid to provoke without shadows. right?

Defender 2. could be an ability that takes a partial dmg you take and add it to your HP. or possibly allevate some of the attack you lose to make Defensive tanking a little more viable for Warrior. while trying to DD. you can't do both on WAR. it's one or the other. this would break nothing. and in my opinion make things better in the long run for everyone and would bring Warrior back into the gist of things.

So, you want to give WARs a version of Sentinel and shove a free special Ethereal earring up their butts? How is this not...........making WAR into a better DD PLD?

i didn't say how large the effect would be. and in turn PLD already has this. Rampart i think it is cuts their dmg down so they get hit for 20 dmg. it's just a different twist on some things that are already in the game.

i'm not saying how long this effect has to last. or how potent it is. it's just a thought chill ok? rather than saying "zomg WAR needs buffz" i'm trying to propose thoughts. and you are just like every other butt fuck that dosn't want WAR tanking.

i would like to say though: Bravura. if a WAR could obtain this, isn't it true that after using a WS you negate like near 80% damage you take?

[ceolceol]

you are totally missing the possibilities. having tanked on WAR, BRD, NIN. and seeing how the buffs to PLD worked. think about it for a second. PLD could tank before even without the Sentinal, Rampart buffs. but it just made it that much better.

Keep War the Way it is with a few added buffs. a bonus to provoke that adds -% Total dmg taken for 10 seconds. it's a 30 second recast job ability. i see no problem with this. also it will help EXP parties and HNM alliances alike that WAR won't be as afraid to provoke without shadows. right?

Defender 2. could be an ability that takes a partial dmg you take and add it to your HP. or possibly allevate some of the attack you lose to make Defensive tanking a little more viable for Warrior. while trying to DD. you can't do both on WAR. it's one or the other. this would break nothing. and in my opinion make things better in the long run for everyone and would bring Warrior back into the gist of things.

Those buffs actually sound reasonable. Maybe instead of it being in the job ability, make a job trait that adds that buff to Provoke. Maybe at level 51 or 60 or something, whenever the majority of WAR tanking dies down.

[riddaraan]

relax rid i'm joking around. though its a little surprising to hear you try to tell me anything about game play with your experience. good luck on your next charbydis

Oh, I'm not trying to tell you how to do your job Dem. I'm just saying, I guess, that Homam and a few tweaks to the job was the great equalizer between PLD & NIN. Nowadays, PLD are fairly like NIN that can cure. In no way am I saying I wanted to completely wipe out the NIN job. In fact, many LSs still use NIN primarily. And if that's the way they roll, that's the way they roll.

I'm simply saying that PLD caught up to, and in many ways, has come to be more reliable than NIN. However, NIN still remains the stronger tank, when you haven't got as much support. That's the comparisson I was trying to make between the two jobs. By example of my Charbydis comment. Whereas PLD need the additional stunner and White Mage, generally, a good NIN would only need the haste, cure, and sing-songers.

i didn't say how large the effect would be. and in turn PLD already has this. Rampart i think it is cuts their dmg down so they get hit for 20 dmg. it's just a different twist on some things that are already in the game.

i'm not saying how long this effect has to last. or how potent it is. it's just a thought chill ok? rather than saying "zomg WAR needs buffz" i'm trying to propose thoughts. and you are just like every other butt fuck that dosn't want WAR tanking.

i would like to say though: Bravura. if a WAR could obtain this, isn't it true that after using a WS you negate like near 80% damage you take?

Actually Rampart doesn't cut down damage. Sentinel creates damage % mitigated for 30 seconds, at a 90% to 0% degrading rate. Rampart gives a slight lolDef bonus, and becomes a 100 damage stoneskin versus magic for 30 seconds. Which kinda is small, but has saved my ass plenty of times.

And Bravura's Metatron Torrent gives Defense Down on the target. Not damage negation.

[Seraph]

i'm not saying how long this effect has to last. or how potent it is. it's just a thought chill ok? rather than saying "zomg WAR needs buffz" i'm trying to propose thoughts. and you are just like every other butt fuck that dosn't want WAR tanking.

I did not say I didn't want them tanking, I am asking you how you plan to balance this newfound tanking ability so that WAR doesn't become a broken job, or just another flavor of PLD?

If you want something that is actually different, and not a just a cheap ripoff of something already in the game, why not go for an ability that raises your attack as you take damage? That gives incentive for people to want you to tank or at least occasionally gain the mobs attention. It even kinda reflects what I personally see as acceptable for a Warrior. You can even call this new ability Dramaqueen.

And there is no need for namecalling, just because you don't know what the PLD job abilities are or what they actually do. :D

[BRP]

Get with the program, the title should have been "Dear SE", like the twenty other threads this month.

[Caestus]

i'm not saying how long this effect has to last. or how potent it is. it's just a thought chill ok? rather than saying "zomg WAR needs buffz" i'm trying to propose thoughts. and you are just like every other butt fuck that dosn't want WAR tanking.

I did not say I didn't want them tanking, I am asking you how you plan to balance this newfound tanking ability so that WAR doesn't become a broken job, or just another flavor of PLD?

If you want something that is actually different, and not a just a cheap ripoff of something already in the game, why not go for an ability that raises your attack as you take damage? That gives incentive for people to want you to tank or at least occasionally gain the mobs attention. It even kinda reflects what I personally see as acceptable for a Warrior. You can even call this new ability Dramaqueen.

And there is no need for namecalling, just because you don't know what the PLD job abilities are or what they actually do. :D

i don't know what they are called. i don't know exactly what they do. but if i were to hop onto any Lv 75 PLD with decent gear i'd tank flawlessly. i know you use Rampart or Sentinal first (not sure which one) to boost all other hate generated. etc etc. then you use your hate abilities, Flash and other things.

see your giving an idea of taking dmg to increase attack. ok... but this does nothing but add attack and not fix the problem that if they tank they are an MP sponge. and that really is the only problem there is. counteract this and you have another viable tank. is RDM supposed to be a tank? i dunno, but it can tank anything. Cerberus, Tiamat, Khimaria, Fafnir, Nid. Ouryu anything really. they do this as RDM/NIN. not sure how many you see. but i see a lot do it. even i've kited on RDM/NIN and straight tanked Khim on RDM/NIN. it's fun no doubt. but i wanna be able to do it on a job i feel should be a tank as well as a DD.


i'll think of a new genuine ideas and propose them here. stay tuned.

[Lordender]

i want better designed HNM's that are alot harder than anything we've seen so far.

[Seraph]

see your giving an idea of taking dmg to increase attack. ok... but this does nothing but add attack and not fix the problem that if they tank they are an MP sponge. and that really is the only problem there is. counteract this and you have another viable tank.

Yeah....but I would say WAR is already a viable tank. Not perfect, obviously, but definately on the table. My thinking generally is "GO with your strengths". I see a WAR wanting to tank, and then its like "Why shouldn't DRGs tank, why shouldn't DRKs tank, why shouldn't SMN's tank?" I kinda see this as more of an identity crisis, as opposed to a serious dilema.

In my mind, this is just like "Paladins need new abilities so they are a new viable alternative as a healer!" Why? O_O

[KimimaroKun]

Jesus people are stupid some times...

I think SE should just do away with all jobs and we can be left with 1 job remaining. Call it "Bob". Bob can do anything, it can tank, buff, cure, nuke, DD, use every weapon, and every piece of armor in the game. There's nothing Bob can't do, and no time Bob can't do it. It's funny though, people will never be happy, being a Ridill WAR isn't enough right? People wan't to be a Ridill WAR who can tank, then when they can tank they'll wanna nuke, then when they can nuke they'll wanna cure. I hope SE is laughing there asses off at shit like this. As some one else pointed out. If you want to tank, go level PLD, just because your linkshell doesn't know how fucking awesome Steel Cyclone can be doesn't mean you should be AS GOOD of a tank as PLD. Now, asking for a GA WS that is decent and makes light? That might be reasonable.

[Highlulu]

i'm generally able to pull more hate on Warrior than any PLD tanking with me. that isn't the problem. Warrior when tanking, is considerd an MP sponge. that's the problem.

lolbcb you couldn't come close to pulling hate on anything that matters with your gimp war, don't assume that your good just cause you played with shit pld's.

Sentinel creates damage % mitigated for 30 seconds, at a 90% to 0% degrading rate. Rampart gives a slight lolDef bonus, and becomes a 100 damage stoneskin versus magic for 30 seconds. Which kinda is small, but has saved my ass plenty of times.

um... 2 corrections here, sentinel is 90% to 50% degrading then it turns off, 100-60% with boots. and the rampart stoneskin is damage absorbed = vit x2 i believe... not positive but you can increase the amount your magic shield absorbs.

[Spider-Dan]

And Bravura's Metatron Torrent gives Defense Down on the target. Not damage negation.

There are two extra effects to most (all?) relic WS.

Catastrophe has add'l effect: Drain on target, plus add'l effect: Haste to user.
Mercy Stroke has add'l effect: Poison on target, plus add'l effect: +critrate to user.

Metatron Torment has add'l effect: Defense Down on target, plus add'l effect: -damage taken to user.

[klvino]

Jesus people are stupid some times...

I think SE should just do away with all jobs and we can be left with 1 job remaining. Call it "Bob". Bob can do anything, it can tank, buff, cure, nuke, DD, use every weapon, and every piece of armor in the game. There's nothing Bob can't do, and no time Bob can't do it. It's funny though, people will never be happy, being a Ridill WAR isn't enough right? People wan't to be a Ridill WAR who can tank, then when they can tank they'll wanna nuke, then when they can nuke they'll wanna cure. I hope SE is laughing there asses off at shit like this. As some one else pointed out. If you want to tank, go level PLD, just because your linkshell doesn't know how fucking awesome Steel Cyclone can be doesn't mean you should be AS GOOD of a tank as PLD. Now, asking for a GA WS that is decent and makes light? That might be reasonable.

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[Caestus]

i'm generally able to pull more hate on Warrior than any PLD tanking with me. that isn't the problem. Warrior when tanking, is considerd an MP sponge. that's the problem.

lolbcb you couldn't come close to pulling hate on anything that matters with your gimp war, don't assume that your good just cause you played with shit pld's.

Sentinel creates damage % mitigated for 30 seconds, at a 90% to 0% degrading rate. Rampart gives a slight lolDef bonus, and becomes a 100 damage stoneskin versus magic for 30 seconds. Which kinda is small, but has saved my ass plenty of times.

um... 2 corrections here, sentinel is 90% to 50% degrading then it turns off, 100-60% with boots. and the rampart stoneskin is damage absorbed = vit x2 i believe... not positive but you can increase the amount your magic shield absorbs.

you sure about that lulu? i don't think you are lol. my Gimp War? lol k no comment but my WAR is well above average. no need to list what i have. because i lack some stuff too.

i've played with the best that Alexander had to offer. of which they are well better than you are. keep dreaming not gonna turn this into a flame thread.

[Saraphym]

The "break or fix" mentality needs to be changed here. No update really breaks or fixes a game. Some might have a major impact on how players choose to play, but the game still goes on. Its annoying when people go "BUT, ZOMG THAT WILL BREAK TEH GAMEZ BALANCE" or "HAY IF WE DID THIS, EVRYTHIN WILL BE FIXED N EVRY1 WILL BE HAPY".

yea, sorta on topic; war is fine the way it is imo.

[KimimaroKun]

Jesus people are stupid some times...

I think SE should just do away with all jobs and we can be left with 1 job remaining. Call it "Bob". Bob can do anything, it can tank, buff, cure, nuke, DD, use every weapon, and every piece of armor in the game. There's nothing Bob can't do, and no time Bob can't do it. It's funny though, people will never be happy, being a Ridill WAR isn't enough right? People wan't to be a Ridill WAR who can tank, then when they can tank they'll wanna nuke, then when they can nuke they'll wanna cure. I hope SE is laughing there asses off at shit like this. As some one else pointed out. If you want to tank, go level PLD, just because your linkshell doesn't know how fucking awesome Steel Cyclone can be doesn't mean you should be AS GOOD of a tank as PLD. Now, asking for a GA WS that is decent and makes light? That might be reasonable.

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Yeah, see! That's why Bob is always so damn happy, it doesn't have anything to do with his penis, it's because he can play all jobs at once and he know's he's overpowered.

[Caestus]

The "break or fix" mentality needs to be changed here. No update really breaks or fixes a game. Some might have a major impact on how players choose to play, but the game still goes on. Its annoying when people go "BUT, ZOMG THAT WILL BREAK TEH GAMEZ BALANCE" or "HAY IF WE DID THIS, EVRYTHIN WILL BE FIXED N EVRY1 WILL BE HAPY".

yea, sorta on topic; war is fine the way it is imo.

WAR is fine. i agree. WAR has always been a -VIABLE- Tank or DD. but it's never desierable. there is a difference. i'm just thinking i'd like it if war was more DESIERABLE than it was viable

as it is WAR is Desierable for EXP. so therefore you get all the shit bricks who know dick about WAR leveling it for fast easy merits. putting a bad name on thoes who do know how good WAR is.