Hey SE

[Saraphym]

so therefore you get all the shit bricks who know dick about WAR leveling it for fast easy merits.

who the hell lvls war for easy merits? hi2ubrd?

[Caestus]

so therefore you get all the shit bricks who know dick about WAR leveling it for fast easy merits.

who the hell lvls war for easy merits? hi2ubrd?

yea BRD is good no doubt. but you actually have to pull on it lol some people are lazy.

[KimimaroKun]

Bitching that WAR can't tank "Better" is freaking retarded. I have tanked Proto-Ultima on WAR just fine, and without dying. We had a incredible group but if i can do that on WAR no one should be bitching about how it tanks. The job is awesome and if anything overpowered. The only thing it "could" use is maybe access to spining slash and perhaps give GA a Light skillchain maker, perhaps we will see this in WOTG?

But ya'll wan't something to legitametly bitch about? WHM, discuss.

[Caestus]

Bitching that WAR can't tank "Better" is freaking retarded. I have tanked Proto-Ultima on WAR just fine, and without dying. We had a incredible group but if i can do that on WAR no one should be bitching about how it tanks. The job is awesome and if anything overpowered. The only thing it "could" use is maybe access to spining slash and perhaps give GA a Light skillchain maker, perhaps we will see this in WOTG?

But ya'll wan't something to legitametly bitch about? WHM, discuss.

i agree WAR can do it all. it's why i love the job so much. and it's also why it annoys me that i'm not allowed to do it more often. every time i asked to tank something i got laughed at. i wasn't even given a chance to tank outside of Sky gods for the most part. the Fafnirs i have tanked was due to me not caring about my hate and tossing out vokes to prove i could do it. i was allowed to main tank Dynamis once. i did it flawlessly got tons of compliments and was made a main tank on all Xarcabard NM was great while it lasted. but once thoes LS disolved here i was with no one willing to let me show what i could do.

i just want to see a few minor changes is all to make things more desierable for Warrior.

[Charismatic]

Bitching that WAR can't tank "Better" is freaking retarded. I have tanked Proto-Ultima on WAR just fine, and without dying. We had a incredible group but if i can do that on WAR no one should be bitching about how it tanks. The job is awesome and if anything overpowered. The only thing it "could" use is maybe access to spining slash and perhaps give GA a Light skillchain maker, perhaps we will see this in WOTG?

But ya'll wan't something to legitametly bitch about? WHM, discuss.

i agree WAR can do it all. it's why i love the job so much. and it's also why it annoys me that i'm not allowed to do it more often. every time i asked to tank something i got laughed at. i wasn't even given a chance to tank outside of Sky gods for the most part. the Fafnirs i have tanked was due to me not caring about my hate and tossing out vokes to prove i could do it. i was allowed to main tank Dynamis once. i did it flawlessly got tons of compliments and was made a main tank on all Xarcabard NM was great while it lasted. but once thoes LS disolved here i was with no one willing to let me show what i could do.

i just want to see a few minor changes is all to make things more desierable for Warrior.

If they do that, they need to give PLD a couple of abilities that make them a "desirable" damage dealer on NMs to even it out a bit. Or give PLD haste, possibly refresh.

Not that I actually think that PLD should get those things, but I mean come on.
The stuff you're talking about just comes off as you being greedy. Why does WAR need anything to make them a more desirable tank when compared to the dedicated tank(s) out there?

[KimimaroKun]

Bitching that WAR can't tank "Better" is freaking retarded. I have tanked Proto-Ultima on WAR just fine, and without dying. We had a incredible group but if i can do that on WAR no one should be bitching about how it tanks. The job is awesome and if anything overpowered. The only thing it "could" use is maybe access to spining slash and perhaps give GA a Light skillchain maker, perhaps we will see this in WOTG?

But ya'll wan't something to legitametly bitch about? WHM, discuss.

i agree WAR can do it all. it's why i love the job so much. and it's also why it annoys me that i'm not allowed to do it more often. every time i asked to tank something i got laughed at. i wasn't even given a chance to tank outside of Sky gods for the most part. the Fafnirs i have tanked was due to me not caring about my hate and tossing out vokes to prove i could do it. i was allowed to main tank Dynamis once. i did it flawlessly got tons of compliments and was made a main tank on all Xarcabard NM was great while it lasted. but once thoes LS disolved here i was with no one willing to let me show what i could do.

i just want to see a few minor changes is all to make things more desierable for Warrior.

Well no offense but it sounds like the problem is with your linkshell and who you are doing things with. Not WAR. It took me playing this game 4 years to figure out if you aren't doing what you enjoy it doesn't matter how good the shell is or how much shit you get done, you should be some where that you can be yourself and do what you enjoy, even if it is every now and then. Linkshells are starting to realize this lately it seems, and I have been seeing more mages on DD jobs and vise versa and what not. You play to have fun, not be some shells whore, and if you are, then it is by your own choice.

[Ashael]

So WAR needs a boost to tank properly?
My LS leader, Berdysh tanked every mob in the game on WAR, before he levelled NIN. Stuff like Ouryu, Omega, Ultima, Jormungand, Bahamut. He now uses NIN/DRK for wyrms and other mobs that you can't melee tank efficiently. But for 90% of the game we play, WAR is our strongest tank.
In case you didn't realize, all that 2 hander update that just recently occurred? yeah it buffed WAR even further. Take a job that is well loved by SE, has great JAs/JTs, excellent selection of all the best DD gear, and reduce it's reliance on accuracy, and then introduce Ares. Yeah, SAM beating WAR is just y'all's WARs playing it wrong. Meritpo or Bahamut or Chariot tanking, WAR > anything right now.
We 2 hander zerg our B2s post patch, because it's fun. WAR/SAM beats all DDs, BB MNKs, great SAMs, and is only matched occasionally by a full spec'd BZ DRK/SAM, depends on number of WSs.
With the introduction of the chest at the start of Salvage, WAR is deadly in there. MNK is still solid, and our normal tank duo is WAR/SAM and MNK/NIN. LBC, LAC, whateverC, works well for us. Seigan and a Defense/Vit/Damage- set works remarkably well for chariots, WAR can provide some of the largest spike damage, then turtle up and trade hate with the MNK/NIN.
Merits, you really don't need to hide behind /nin anymore. Put your Suppa and Ridills away, take out the Great Axe and go merit with great SAM/WARs, MNK/WARs and DRKs. Mobs die faster, have a smart WHM and MP won't be a problem. If MP starts lagging, Seigan up a bit and let it regen.
Seriously. Post 2-hander patch, Ares, GAX and /SAM aren't just goofy toys for WAR, they've effectively replaced Ridill and Adaberk, and in quite a dominating fashion. Get a Fort Axe, dust off your Byakko's, start working on Bravura. Just quit bitching that WAR needs a boost.
Yes, NIN/DRK and RDM/NIN are better for fights that you can't melee tank efficiently. Waah. WAR is better in every other situation. NIN DD is a joke now, always was against serious DDs, but now versus Walmart 2 handers, it's even worse. PLD DD was on life support, and yeah well geared we could compete versus subpar DDs, but nowadays, it's not worth it to leech. NIN and PLD don't provide proper returns in Salvage. Hydra, Bahamut2, Dynamis, a WAR is better. Leave the poor PLDs and NINs alone and leave them one or two mobs that they can tank better. If you want a sudden increase in WAR tanking, go buy gear for it, and play it right.
You're your LS leader BCB. Quit bitching about WAR needing boosts, and arrange your party and alliances around a DDtank or a WAR/NIN tanking a wyrm, using Enmity sets, Resist sets and -damage sets. WAR is the last job that needs any form of upgrade currently. Other jobs need loving still. WAR is sitting at the end of the Boost Line, with BRD, RDM, WHM, and BLM.
Obviously I play a different game than you. I despise the King system. I spend my playtime on scheduled fights and events with LSmates. But we fought most of what are considered "hard" fights in the game with WAR/NIN tank. Quit underplaying WAR and go out and squash things already.

[Caestus]

wal-o-text.


but Berydysh is a LS leader. therefore he sets his own rules.


read my above ^ WAR can tank i know this. not my point. seems half of your are over looking it.

[Charismatic]

wal-o-text.


but Berydysh is a LS leader. therefore he sets his own rules.


read my above ^ WAR can tank i know this. not my point. seems half of your are over looking it.

No one is over-looking that. It's that since they can already do it, there is no need for it to be buffed.

When WAR gets it's tanking buffed, the tank jobs will need to get some kind of buff so that it's still balanced... and when they get these buffs it'll put WAR in the same spot it's in. (Inferior at tanking when compared to the dedicated tank jobs that already exist.)

So, either you get balance, or you get people who desire WAR tanks... not both.
I'm not for SE making WAR even more overpowered just so they can be desirable tanks.
The fact is, you can level a tank job if you want to tank instead of forcing the square-peg through the round hole.

[Caestus]

to each his own. i just feel that WAR should be one of the main tanks considering how it really dosn't shine anywhere. and dosn't have much place anywhere.

other than the fact that it can do the things.


it was just my way to vent and try to bring a reasonable argument. but it seems more than half of you don't want to see WAR tank and don't care. and just plain old don't wanna see the job changed.

it's fine really. i just can hope.

edit: what's funny is.... i'm getting the same kind of reaction from people when i say that WAR needs a tanking buff. than when i say that WAR can tank as it is and i should be allowed to tank.

[Charla]

but it seems more than half of you don't want to see WAR tank and don't care. and just plain old don't wanna see the job changed.

You know what, you're right. We see WAR as a DD job, and therefore we see no need for it to be able to tank as well as a tank job. If one job could do both of these things, it would violate the rules that say one guy has to tank the mob and another guy has to hurt the mob. Therefore, it would also get nerfed real quick.

[Eaglestrike]

This is mostly about a comment a few pages ago, but I don't see warrior as a "jack of all trades" I see warrior as a "Berserker". People say they want that job but that is how I see Warrior. Berserk JA, Axes, heavy DD job.

I really don't see why you're bitching so much though. You're complaining that the job who is still pretty much the merit job tank and overall probably the most desired melee in a merit party needs a buff. PLD's get stuck in the 70's because NO ONE INVITES THEM, guess why...EVERYONE GETS A WARRIOR. Look at PLD forums, the majority of the threads there are talking about "how to DD" and "can't get a pt" because no one invites the job anymore once you get to 70.

There are so many other jobs that need some form of buff before a warrior. So you can't out tank a PLD or out HNM DD a SAM, so what? Other jobs have their purposes. Even going under the assumption of you have that warrior is a "jack of all trades" shows even more that warrior shouldn't be able to compete with either job at their specialty. If you are tanking merits/assaults and you are DDing merits/assaults you're being a jack of all trades melee. Warrior is a solid job and really doesn't need any fixing. Once they buff RNG and THF at the least it shouldn't even be considered.

[Charla]

Once they buff RNG and THF at the least it shouldn't even be considered.

Aww, no love for pup?

[Caestus]

you are the reason people don't let WAR tank. (not directly you but you get my idea)

[ceolceol]

you are the reason people don't let WAR tank. (not directly you but you get my idea)

I actually put in my search comment while leveling WAR that I wouldn't tank...

and people bitched

[Ashira]

you have a 75 NINJA. you already have a job leveled that will let you tank over paladins. wwtffff

Sorry to wake you up, but that's so 2005. The introduction of Homam brought Ninja to its knees. I'm not being to egotistical here. I'd rather share hate & cotank with a NIN/DRK anyday, because its so much more predictable. But truthfully, there isn't anything a Ninja can do that a Paladin can't do better. Except maybe Charbydis. But I've tanked that with 5 people. BRD, DRK (stun), me, RDM, WHM. Although I'm sure THF does the best job, NIN can pretty much do it with 3 too, I think.

Kinda true, kinda not.

Many shells have returned to PLD.

We personally have no problems with NIN/DRKs, esp particular ones in the shell, of which Deme was one of them. Unlike other also very high profile reputable shells across other servers who say there are still hate problems, we haven't run into the cases they bring up.

So for us, PLD hasn't yet re-replaced NIN. Though we certainly have PLDs who can do perfectly well when we choose to use them.

Also, Deme, you forget that not all people are NIN75 and *good* at it. ;P

[Caestus]

you are the reason people don't let WAR tank. (not directly you but you get my idea)

I actually put in my search comment while leveling WAR that I wouldn't tank...

and people bitched

tanking in an exp PT isn't a challange :/


and if you level a tank job to 75 i sure as hell hope you are good at it -.-;

[Saraphym]

you forget that not all people are NIN75 and *good* at it. ;P

yea, but it's easier to be a shitty pld than a shitty nin.

[Ashira]

you are the reason people don't let WAR tank. (not directly you but you get my idea)

I actually put in my search comment while leveling WAR that I wouldn't tank...

and people bitched

tanking in an exp PT isn't a challange :/


and if you level a tank job to 75 i sure as hell hope you are good at it -.-;

There are a lot of really really bad NINs out there. ._.

[Caestus]

i know :/ i'd figure that me wanting to tank on WAR over NIN would have been an idication i might be ok -.- (i think the comment was directed at me once they mentioned i had 75 NIN?)