Almighty Apkallu

[Khamsin]

Well, I don't have artmoney, but I do have odbg, so hopefully that'll be good enough.

I'll go check to see if AA has popped on Pandy since maint.

[Demosthenes11]

All the "new" theories you speak of always involve the absence of something very important...common fucking sense. "Hay, wut if you use the sin weapons while SCing with drg cuz AV is drg and then bursting with dia cuz sea is like light lol."

Please, stop talking

Is that what i said? No, those theories are about equally as stupid as most that have been disproven. Infact i'm not sure what exact thesis to go on. I'm just saying sense we OBVIOUSLY don't know how to do it yet, who's to say what it "Could" be. So stop putting words in my mouth and i'll stop talking, dipshit. Seriously, think before you post, and think with your brain, not your E-peen.

You have given no examples, so I'm going purely on what you are saying here. Care to enlighten all of us "E-peen stroking, brainless morons?"

[KimimaroKun]

All the "new" theories you speak of always involve the absence of something very important...common fucking sense. "Hay, wut if you use the sin weapons while SCing with drg cuz AV is drg and then bursting with dia cuz sea is like light lol."

Please, stop talking

Is that what i said? No, those theories are about equally as stupid as most that have been disproven. Infact i'm not sure what exact thesis to go on. I'm just saying sense we OBVIOUSLY don't know how to do it yet, who's to say what it "Could" be. So stop putting words in my mouth and i'll stop talking, dipshit. Seriously, think before you post, and think with your brain, not your E-peen.

You have given no examples, so I'm going purely on what you are saying here. Care to enlighten all of us "E-peen stroking, brainless morons?"

You're absolutely right. I gave no examples and you assumed I was going to come up with the generic "USE TEH FORCE TO DEFEAT AV" theory when infact i wasn't. I have some idea's, most are probably stupid. But I am much to tired to explain them right now, and that is irrelevant. I'm sure there are people, and not just 1 person, but if people were to throw out some crazy idea's and maybe put them all together we might get closer. Haven't you heard? There is no such thing as defeat untill you admit to it. Also i never called you brainless, or even thought it infact. Just didn't want you to say things like "Stop talking" which implies a "Holier than thou" attitude, usually generated by what i like to call the interwebz.

[Demosthenes11]

I'm confused then...why exactly are you talking shit if you are just using the John Kerry defense of "I have a plan, but in fear of me looking stupid, I won't say it."
I've fought AV.
I've killed AV.
I've been a participant in tests.
Those of us that have experience with the mob CAN discount stupid outlandish theories, because we know wtf is going on.

[Chreman]

I'm confused then...why exactly are you talking shit if you are just using the John Kerry defense of "I have a plan, but in fear of me looking stupid, I won't say it."
I've fought AV.
I've killed AV.
I've been a participant in tests.
Those of us that have experience with the mob CAN discount stupid outlandish theories, because we know wtf is going on.

You're right, why test outlandish theories when we have so many solid tests to go with?

I understand you're more experienced than 3/4s of the playerbase, but is it too hard to think that the reason we don't have a solid strat for farming AV is because the working strat was discounted only because it was brought forth by someone with a low postcount?

[KimimaroKun]

I'm confused then...why exactly are you talking shit if you are just using the John Kerry defense of "I have a plan, but in fear of me looking stupid, I won't say it."
I've fought AV.
I've killed AV.
I've been a participant in tests.
Those of us that have experience with the mob CAN discount stupid outlandish theories, because we know wtf is going on.

/Sigh

You just aren't understanding, or you are just looking to argue something for absolutely no reason. I have toyed with AV before, no I'm no Map or anything. No i have not actually killed it, no i'm not a genius and have yet to claim to be. I'm not trying to prove "myself" i'm trying to prove a point. I'm trying to say what people should try more often. I have no need or desire to prove myself or this point to you any further. This thread is not about AV, so just shut up and talk about the Penguin ok? Is it blue or purple?

[Demosthenes11]

postcount has nothing to do with it, it's evidence. Valid theories have good evidence behind them. At first, the jailer weapon theory was really good, but it has been tested to all ends of the universe, and has therefore been disproven. Almost all theories unfortunately have no basis outside of "I was thinking and..."
And you havn't even made any point other than "You should be more open."

[KimimaroKun]

postcount has nothing to do with it, it's evidence. Valid theories have good evidence behind them. At first, the jailer weapon theory was really good, but it has been tested to all ends of the universe, and has therefore been disproven. Almost all theories unfortunately have no basis outside of "I was thinking and..."
And you havn't even made any point other than "You should be more open."

That's the only point I was trying to make in the first place. I'm glad we agree on this. Just so it's clear, I couldn't give less of A damn who's post count is what.

[Pergo]

kimimaro, can you spend more time figuring out how to pop the nm, and less time derailing the thread by defending your skewed pov

[KimimaroKun]

kimimaro, can you spend more time figuring out how to pop the nm, and less time derailing the thread by defending your skewed pov

I'm just trying to defend my point. But i agree, more talk about the penguin!

Is it possible it was added before the actual quest was added (or ever added?). And on that thought, i'm sure everyone knows about those mysterious beastmen that started popping up for no reason in places like Castle Oztroja and Davoi after the last version update. I think they will have something to do with WOTG. But this NM is TOAU. So my point is, perhaps he pops some how but for no reason yet? But even at that, if he is poping it must be for some reason. I still think the best theories on this so far is the fact that it has a strange and rare pop condition. Like killing or not killing the Apkallu on the boat, or how many people are on the boat perhaps. But it could have some strange condition like Taisaijin or Rose garden. I haven't seen that theory disproven yet.

[Khamsin]

Almighty Apkallu (0103B0011) hasn't popped on Pandy since the last maintenance, assuming I'm reading the memory right.

Oddly enough, Apkallu (0103B007) hasn't popped either, but Apkallu (0103B008) has... that must be the one that hops onto the boat sometime.

[Pergo]

Like killing or not killing the Apkallu on the boat, or how many people are on the boat perhaps. But it could have some strange condition like Taisaijin or Rose garden. I haven't seen that theory disproven yet.

I think the fact that this NM has been undiscovered for 15-16months disproves that theory. like 95% of the rides i take are only me. if i weren't here, there would be several hours of the apkallu not being touched. I think over the last 400+ days over 30+ servers, someone would've seen it.

ps: khamsin i sent you a pm

[KimimaroKun]

So, correct me if i'm wrong but... Do we know for certain, I mean actual evidence that it has poped at all? Not just some one saying it did one way or another because that could just be a repeat of Starlink. If not, this NM might not have ever spawned before and might be in the .dats for some strange reason or another OR we have literally never found out how to pop it?

[Pergo]

i don't think anyone has seen the nm. i have no doubt it exists, but the only evidence to it ever being popped is mokou's reading using that program. he told me how to do it, but it was confusing and i'm not sure what it meant. khamsin looks like he's tried it too, but all of this doesn't seem very accurate/understandable.

[Khamsin]

Here is the contents of my memory at the pertinent spot:

0240C9CC  01 B0 03 01 0F 00 00 00 02 B0 03 01 0F 00 00 00
0240C9DC  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0240C9EC  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 B0 03 01 0F 00 00 00
0240C9FC  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 08 B0 03 01 0F 00 00 00
0240CA0C  09 B0 03 01 0F 00 00 00 0A B0 03 01 0F 00 00 00
0240CA1C  0B B0 03 01 0F 00 00 00 0C B0 03 01 0F 00 00 00
0240CA2C  0D B0 03 01 0F 00 00 00 0E B0 03 01 0F 00 00 00
0240CA3C  0F B0 03 01 0F 00 00 00 10 B0 03 01 0F 00 00 00
0240CA4C  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

Am I correct in assuming that the mob IDs that are present indicate they have popped since maintenance, and the blanks where the mob IDs are missing indicate that mob has not popped since maintenance?

Since Almighty Apkallu should be in the 11 B0 03 01 spot, but is not, I'm assuming he has not popped since maintenance on Pandemonium.

[souleman]

Almighty Apkallu (0103B0011)

Type-o in that number. is he 0103B001 (which is the first mob in your list), or 0103B011 (which would be the last mob in the list but is all 00).

Honestly I have no idea what the list means, just want to make sure your looking at the correct entry.

[Midnightjade]

Maybe AA is a timed pop, but someone also has to be riding the boat for it to happen? Might explain why it has popped on some servers but not others since maint - the boat is not ridden frequently.

Reminds me a bit of Stubborn Dredvodd (Phanauet Channel). Pop conditions for that NM also unknown but believed to involve both time and the presence of a PC on the channel barge on one route only, and again that route is not ridden frequently. I'm currently 0/1 on Dredvodd .

[Bagel]

If a penguin pops in the ocean, but nobody's around to see it, does he drop a cape? Very zen.

[Mokou]

Am I correct in assuming that the mob IDs that are present indicate they have popped since maintenance, and the blanks where the mob IDs are missing indicate that mob has not popped since maintenance?

Since Almighty Apkallu should be in the 11 B0 03 01 spot, but is not, I'm assuming he has not popped since maintenance on Pandemonium.

That seems to be correct. I just checked the same way and Almighty Apkallu's ID shows up. The first Apkallu was missing though.

[Yomjo]

Maybe it won't spawn unless no one rides the boat for a period of time. Wouldn't that be delightful?