Almighty Apkallu

[Thevaultdweller]

In before "If a tree falls in the woods..."

[Izzy]

In before "If a tree falls in the woods..."

Best analogy ever Q_Q

[Khamsin]

The way server mechanics work (read: should work), the boat should function as normal even if there is no one on it at the time. It'd be like saying all the mobs in Behemoth's Domain despawn just because no one is in the zone. It doesn't work that way, at least, it shouldn't.

Quantum physics debate, anyone?

I see, therefore, it is.

I don't think there's anyone that actually believes there needs to be an observer for something to exist... is there?

[Maxxthepenguin]

The way server mechanics work (read: should work), the boat should function as normal even if there is no one on it at the time. It'd be like saying all the mobs in Behemoth's Domain despawn just because no one is in the zone. It doesn't work that way, at least, it shouldn't.

Quantum physics debate, anyone?

I see, therefore, it is.

I don't think there's anyone that actually believes there needs to be an observer for something to exist... is there?

I've never seen somebody who actually believes that so no

[fantasticdan]

The way server mechanics work (read: should work), the boat should function as normal even if there is no one on it at the time. It'd be like saying all the mobs in Behemoth's Domain despawn just because no one is in the zone. It doesn't work that way, at least, it shouldn't.

Boat are a bit different thou, I wouldn't be surprised of the zone really didn't load if no one was on it, thou I can not attest one way or the other.

If you can figure out of an NM has popped using those memory programs, you can figure out of mobs have popped on empty boat rides the same way, right?

[DanielRemora]

The way server mechanics work (read: should work), the boat should function as normal even if there is no one on it at the time. It'd be like saying all the mobs in Behemoth's Domain despawn just because no one is in the zone. It doesn't work that way, at least, it shouldn't.

Boat are a bit different thou, I wouldn't be surprised of the zone really didn't load if no one was on it, thou I can not attest one way or the other.

If you can figure out of an NM has popped using those memory programs, you can figure out of mobs have popped on empty boat rides the same way, right?

Because the mobs on boats are a little random, it's possible to test this, yes. It can only be done after maintenance, though. You need to sit at the dock for a while until a few trips have been made (The longer you wait the better). Once you board, you can compare what is in the memory to what is actually visible to determine what has or has not popped. If what you see in memory differs from what you see in game, it's likely the journey occurs even though no-one is on board.

Of course, if somebody boards, they could potentially mess the test up by killing / aggroing, etc. And if they met the conditions to spawn AA, then you would have missed it, lol.

I suspect the case is that the trip occurs regardless of the presence of a PC, otherwise I'm confident we would have seen AA by now. It obviously has spawned because of its presence in the game memory. The likelyhood that it has been missed on every single occurance is... unlikely.

[Gere]

I suspect the case is that the trip occurs regardless of the presence of a PC, otherwise I'm confident we would have seen AA by now. It obviously has spawned because of its presence in the game memory. The likelyhood that it has been missed on every single occurance is... unlikely.

There are people who claim to have seen it, just no real screen shots.

[joreno]

Currently there are quite a bit of fish that were added to the game with no real use. I've been wanting to ride the boat and try trading these fish to apkallu on the deck. I was thinking that AA might get a little jealous and hop aboard and try to subdue the other apkallu and take the fish......

lol, I've been working 12 hour days forever it seems trying to pay off the new engine my car needed. I'm a bit insane atm Either way it sounded better in my head, but if anyone wants to take my idea and run with it by all means. Enjoy whilest I sit here at work, and read the forums and dream of crappy boat NMs.

[Khamsin]

Currently there are quite a bit of fish that were added to the game with no real use. I've been wanting to ride the boat and try trading these fish to apkallu on the deck. I was thinking that AA might get a little jealous and hop aboard and try to subdue the other apkallu and take the fish......

lol, I've been working 12 hour days forever it seems trying to pay off the new engine my car needed. I'm a bit insane atm Either way it sounded better in my head, but if anyone wants to take my idea and run with it by all means. Enjoy whilest I sit here at work, and read the forums and dream of crappy boat NMs.

You have to trade those fish to AV, instead.

...oh wait.

[Khelek]

The way server mechanics work (read: should work), the boat should function as normal even if there is no one on it at the time. It'd be like saying all the mobs in Behemoth's Domain despawn just because no one is in the zone. It doesn't work that way, at least, it shouldn't.

Quantum physics debate, anyone?

I see, therefore, it is.

I don't think there's anyone that actually believes there needs to be an observer for something to exist... is there?

I've never seen somebody who actually believes that so no

ic wut you did thar

[fndragon]

The answer is simple. Almighty Apkallu is in a dual state of existing and non-existing. I propose we call the ferry "Shroedinger's Boat".

[SeraphusRagnarok]

PIME TARADOX

[Titanss]

If the mob was @ 100% it would have been up 0% would mean a despawn.

[DanielRemora]

If the mob was @ 100% it would have been up 0% would mean a despawn.

It appears in memory exactly as it was at the time of despawn.

[Koga]

If the mob was @ 100% it would have been up 0% would mean a despawn.

It appears in memory exactly as it was at the time of despawn.

This is correct.
I will seriously stay up for 12 hours tonight from 10PM > 10AM and set HP in Nashmau.
I'll make a list of all the mobs and when they spawned and despawned... I need to skill up Fishing anways.
I won't kill any mob other than AA or shit I fish up.
I'll post the data here tomorrow morning before I sleep.

[Max™]

The way server mechanics work (read: should work), the boat should function as normal even if there is no one on it at the time. It'd be like saying all the mobs in Behemoth's Domain despawn just because no one is in the zone. It doesn't work that way, at least, it shouldn't.

Quantum physics debate, anyone?

I see, therefore, it is.

I don't think there's anyone that actually believes there needs to be an observer for something to exist... is there?

/derail

When light/objects/wave functions interact with another photon/object/wave function, it is an observation, and thus confirms existence.

The Universe is in the process of handshaking itself into existence as we speak, each handshake is viewed as an instant of time, the series of handshakes is the river of time.

The fact that it is multiple, basically uncountable acts providing each instant of time accounts for why we cannot perceive simultaneous events at a distance, skipping past/around handshakes due to relativistic effects gives time dilation effects. Bodies influencing the likelihood of handshake events to occur near themselves gives an effect akin to gravity.

Physics is weird.

[SeraphusRagnarok]

Invisible Man from 'Mystery Men', only turned invisible when nobody was looking at him, so maybe AA only spawns when nobody is there

[Eticket]

If the mob was @ 100% it would have been up 0% would mean a despawn.

It appears in memory exactly as it was at the time of despawn.

This is correct.
I will seriously stay up for 12 hours tonight from 10PM > 10AM and set HP in Nashmau.
I'll make a list of all the mobs and when they spawned and despawned... I need to skill up Fishing anways.
I won't kill any mob other than AA or shit I fish up.
I'll post the data here tomorrow morning before I sleep.

so that's why there's maintenance today at 9:00. SE knows you're getting too close to knowing the horrible truth

[Koga]

If the mob was @ 100% it would have been up 0% would mean a despawn.

It appears in memory exactly as it was at the time of despawn.

This is correct.
I will seriously stay up for 12 hours tonight from 10PM > 10AM and set HP in Nashmau.
I'll make a list of all the mobs and when they spawned and despawned... I need to skill up Fishing anways.
I won't kill any mob other than AA or shit I fish up.
I'll post the data here tomorrow morning before I sleep.

so that's why there's maintenance today at 9:00. SE knows you're getting too close to knowing the horrible truth

I ended up falling asleep on my keyboard and woke up just in time for the Maint -_-
I'll try it again tonight when I get home.

[Khamsin]

I won't kill any mob other than AA or shit I fish up.

Leave up each mob you fish up, and force pop AA on the 5th, like Devil Mantas.