Almighty Apkallu

[Khamsin]

I've tried about 10 times grabbing Apkallus and kiting them around the entire boat trip and so far nothing. I was thinking more along the lines of maybe he pops under the water(since the regular birds literally climb unto the boat under the rails) when i was trying this but no such luck so far. And besides me the Shikagami link theory has been posted at least 3 times in these threads. I've also tried letting the Apkallus depop when 1 or 2 was on the boat. I'm really thinking that he just has a long window and despawns rapidly. It's either that or hes on a Rose Garden/Taisaijin window condition I'm sure.

Well, my point wasn't to just kite apkallus around to get him to pop. I was more or less wondering aloud why nobody has seen him on the servers where he was confirmed to have popped (in memory).

I don't think his spawn condition has to do with kiting apkallus around, just like Shikigami doesn't spawn when you cast magic or kite weapons. He's already up before you do that.

[Tsuko_Asura]

The Shikigami-Apkallu theory should be moderately simple to test with Widescan, no?

[Minions]

The Shikigami-Apkallu theory should be moderately simple to test with Widescan, no?

Cant widescan on the boat, try again.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Bleh, my bad.

[Khamsin]

Basically, for those who take the boat over and over again, monitor the memory during the trip to see if AA really pops. If he pops on some servers without anyone ever noticing, you can't count on being able to see it yourself. Therefore, just watch the memory and if it pops but you can't see it, we'll know there has to be some trick to get it to show itself like with Shikigami.

[Spekkio]

[SARCASM] i've got it! the guild must be full of fish! the smell of all the fishy goodness will attract AA to the boat for a finny snack! [/SARCASM]
seriously though, what servers have seen them pop since last maintenance? it would be interesting to see if the same servers consistently pop the NM, and then we could examine what's unique about the behavior of the players on that server on that boat to see if there's something we're doing to pop it, or if it's just shrodinger's apkallu.

[ByeByeTasai]

I know that Shikigami doesnt pop when you kite Weapons, but the way I've always pulled him is by linking. Widescan find him then fight a weapon in his path, Widescan doesn't work on the boat so I was kiting the birds every chance I got without any way to see if he was up invisible. I didn't mean kite Apkallus to get him to pop, I meant i was kiting Apkallus in case for some reason he was invisible then i was trying to link him. But this doesnt appear to be related, when i tried it it was basically in a 8 hr period non stop one night, and I used the windows of Kings to figure out when to try this so im 95% sure this is not the method.

[Kaylia]

On those servers where he has popped, he must have popped invisible or something. Shikigami Apkallu, except without the magic aggro. But at least you could bring another apkallu around the boat to link it, if that was the case.

Tried that a few times (Pergo too I think), never got anything. Of course, maybe it's only up a few hours a day and all, but I went 0/5 at random times kiting for the whole run.

[jaryk]

He doesn't like being left alone, and will wander off if no one is around to keep him company.

Where are people getting the "He doesnt like being lonely" thing from? All I think this means is that he despawns if not touched rather quickly, we see it in Einherjar when the Pet pops, if you don't grab it they despawn in about 30 seconds. Also the Apkallus on the boat despawn if left alone for about 2 minutes. I really doubt it has anything to do with party numbers, other apkallus on the boat, or hate issues.

The charm idea is most likely his friend just messing with his head cause he knows he had been looking and looking for it, he even said on the way to Nashmau which SE was very clear about it not spawning on the way to Nashmau.

Also party numbers and hate shouldn't have anything to do with it, because he has popped with nobody on the boat before, or at least with nobody on the deck.

The luck hint probably just means he has a very long window like Proteus does and that you have to be on the right boat when he pops since there are always 2 boats heading back and forth. And I'd almost put money on him despawning quickly after he pops if nobody claims as the answer to the other hint.

Remember, there are no Ebon Panels on the Ship to Nashmau.

The "he doesn't like being left alone" is a hint SE gave, spend five minutes on the forums do some research or don't fucking comment.

[ByeByeTasai]

The "he doesn't like being left alone" is a hint SE gave, spend five minutes on the forums do some research or don't fucking comment.

Your pretty much stating exactly what I just said in that Quoted comment. People have been posting time and time again that it must have to do with multiple Apkallus being up cause he doesn't like being lonely. My point is that this is not what they said, they said he doesnt like being left alone and will wander off... Which is a perfect example of people coming up with stupid theories because they want to re-word the hint into saying something completely else, in other words misreading which is exactly what you just did.

My quote was stating what SE said and I was trying to get it out there that they did not say he doesn't like being lonely like everyone comments on.

Edit: And by the way, take your own fucking advice and look back 2 pages and read my first post about the same matter you douche bag.

[Max™]

The Shikigami-Apkallu theory should be moderately simple to test with Widescan, no?

Cant widescan on the boat, try again.

Compass/Radar?

[Airenn]

If we're on the Shiki-AA thing still, I am pretty sure Shiki does not show up on Compass/Radar even if near you, until AFTER he is visible. :3

Not a 100% on that tho.

[shukuffxi]

Shikigami weapons shows as the very last mob on the list, when Widescanning, once he's popped, even if invisible.

[Airenn]

Shikigami weapons shows as the very last mob on the list, when Widescanning, once he's popped, even if invisible.

Compass/Radar =/= Widescan.

[ByeByeTasai]

Shikigami does appear on Radar before he is claimable. He also seems to move at about the same speed as a Gravitied Genbu when he is around players.

[Airenn]

Shikigami does appear on Radar before he is claimable. He also seems to move at about the same speed as a Gravitied Genbu when he is around players.

After pop? Cause I seen that fucker run fast after someone once popped. >.> And ok, I wasn't sure if he spawned on Radar while invis. Thanks for heads up fo' next Shini camp, lol.

[ByeByeTasai]

Nah, I mean he seems to slow way down while still invisibile when he gets around people. I remember following him once while I had him tracked on RNG, he moved about the speed of Zipacna untill he got right next to me then seemed to move extremely slow as if to give us a better chance to grab him. Back on the subject of AA though I haven't tried watching radar. I know that many people swear by it and maybe its just my PC but I see monsters spawn on screen about 1/2 a second before they pop on radar so I usually don't watch it while waiting on NMs. Tomorrow I will go back to the boat and ride for a bit, try to come up with something new to post about. Rode it till 3 A.M. last night and Proteus spawned on me while I was in the bathroom thus ending that ><. Anyway I'll keep posting if I find anything new or see him. [Print Screen] ready!

[Mokou]

AA can't be a timed spawn, because it's gone weeks without popping even once in the past. Even if it was invisible, you'd still be able to see if it had popped in memory.

So far the only time I've seen proof of it popping is as the servers come up from maintenance, but since you'll get kicked off of the boat as you log on there's no way to check at that time, unless it's possible for AA to stay on the boat over multiple rides (extremely unlikely).

Also, there's no recent proof that says that two Apkallu's can pop on the route from Nashmau to Whitegate. Even on servers where AA has been spotted in memory, there has never been a sign that the Apkallu with ID #7 has popped.

I still believe that it's supposed to be a lottery from Apkallu #7, but that Apkallu is bugged and not spawning. I don't see any other way that AA can be in memory within 2 hours of one server coming up from maintenance, yet not pop for weeks on another server.

[Lilswitche]

Is it then a possibility then that Apkallu #7 indirectly affects wether AA pops or not? Se said AA wasn't broken, no one bothered to ask about the second Apkallu though. If #7 had any effects on AA, it could explain why it's only shown up on some server's memory shortly after a maintenance, otherwise never popping. I remember checking the memory on Valefor at one time (a couple months ago at least), there hadn't been a maintenance in a couple weeks, and he hadn't ever popped.

Edit: I thought about this a little more. Let's say for instance that AA is lotto from #7. At server up time, when AA/#7 have it's first chance to spawn, it would choose either or. Case A: AA pops, then depops shortly thereafter. Being that no one would even be logged on yet since they boot up the zones before allowing logon. Case B: #7 tries to pop but doesn't since it's broken.

[Mokou]

Is it then a possibility then that Apkallu #7 indirectly affects wether AA pops or not? Se said AA wasn't broken, no one bothered to ask about the second Apkallu though. If #7 had any effects on AA, it could explain why it's only shown up on some server's memory shortly after a maintenance, otherwise never popping. I remember checking the memory on Valefor at one time (a couple months ago at least), there hadn't been a maintenance in a couple weeks, and he hadn't ever popped.

Edit: I thought about this a little more. Let's say for instance that AA is lotto from #7. At server up time, when AA/#7 have it's first chance to spawn, it would choose either or. Case A: AA pops, then depops shortly thereafter. Being that no one would even be logged on yet since they boot up the zones before allowing logon. Case B: #7 tries to pop but doesn't since it's broken.

This is exactly what I think is happening. I really can't think of any other explanation for why it can show up in memory almost straight after maintenance on some servers, yet not pop even once in 3-4 weeks on another server.