what is NIN/DRK

[levish]

i'd also go /war on anything you want to control TP gain on

Voke / Warcry / Defender don't feed the mob tp while the /drk hate tools would

[Suiram]

I can't honestly think of any common /DRK hate tools that give any amount of TP. Am I missing something obvious, or were you misinformed?

[Harutaru]

i'd also go /war on anything you want to control TP gain on

Voke / Warcry / Defender don't feed the mob tp while the /drk hate tools would

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[Niiro]

i'd also go /war on anything you want to control TP gain on

Voke / Warcry / Defender don't feed the mob tp while the /drk hate tools would

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I second that.

What are you talking about?

None of /DRKs hate tools give TP unless you count meleeing with Souleater, which is fancy and unnecessary.

[tornfleshofsoul]

As I understand it, mobs only gain TP from things that deal damage initially. So if you Bind/Sleep/Stun on /drk That gives them no TP. However if you spam NIN tools, those deal damage, and he gains TP.

[Niiro]

Only elemental ninjutsu give TP, and there's no reason to be using them while tanking HNMs.

[Eaglestrike]

On anything that builds stun resistance can't you do /pld? I've wanted to ask if anyone has tried out nin/pld tanking but haven't gotten around to it (until now). It won't be as good as pld/nin since only cure 3, but there is sentinel, shield bash, cure 3, flash, etc.

[Tricen]

On anything that builds stun resistance can't you do /pld? I've wanted to ask if anyone has tried out nin/pld tanking but haven't gotten around to it (until now). It won't be as good as pld/nin since only cure 3, but there is sentinel, shield bash, cure 3, flash, etc.

Wouldn't NIN/RDM be better? Cure is a lot of mp :<

[Ferien]

On anything that builds stun resistance can't you do /pld? I've wanted to ask if anyone has tried out nin/pld tanking but haven't gotten around to it (until now). It won't be as good as pld/nin since only cure 3, but there is sentinel, shield bash, cure 3, flash, etc.

Wouldn't NIN/RDM be better? Cure is a lot of mp :<

Than NIN/PLD? Yes. But even then...PLD/NIN is as well, so you could just have them tank and the NINs come on something else.

[Tricen]

kclub DRKs.

[Loren]

A lot of NIN seem to overvalue Provoke because they hold hate well in exp but it's really their no-delay melee rounds (buffed with Minuet/Berserk/etc) that get the credit for that.

On HNM, you simply can't hold hate with melee DoT and attempting to do so will feed tons of TP. Best part about /DRK is not engaging so healers can catch their breath between each TP move.

[Amele]

I hope you mean 'not needing to engage' and not that you actually never engage your nin/drks

[aurik]

If it builds stun or sleep resistance, don't use those spells. You still get blind, abs-<stat>, etc.

[Eaglestrike]

On anything that builds stun resistance can't you do /pld? I've wanted to ask if anyone has tried out nin/pld tanking but haven't gotten around to it (until now). It won't be as good as pld/nin since only cure 3, but there is sentinel, shield bash, cure 3, flash, etc.

Wouldn't NIN/RDM be better? Cure is a lot of mp :<

Than NIN/PLD? Yes. But even then...PLD/NIN is as well, so you could just have them tank and the NINs come on something else.

Bind/sleep/blind rotation would do more than flash, auto-refresh, cures and a couple JA's? (I'm not a nin/drk so haven't seen how well those build hate)

[Tricen]

On anything that builds stun resistance can't you do /pld? I've wanted to ask if anyone has tried out nin/pld tanking but haven't gotten around to it (until now). It won't be as good as pld/nin since only cure 3, but there is sentinel, shield bash, cure 3, flash, etc.

Wouldn't NIN/RDM be better? Cure is a lot of mp :<

Than NIN/PLD? Yes. But even then...PLD/NIN is as well, so you could just have them tank and the NINs come on something else.

Bind/sleep/blind rotation would do more than flash, auto-refresh, cures and a couple JA's? (I'm not a nin/drk so haven't seen how well those build hate)

Yeah since there's no down time for them, and you do have cures as well.

[levish]

I can't honestly think of any common /DRK hate tools that give any amount of TP. Am I missing something obvious, or were you misinformed?

I was under the impression that for /drk you would be using souleater/last resort and meleeing, bio would give TP for sure not sure about Stun (probably not since it doesn't do damage).

haven't used /drk myself so it is entirely possible I could be misinformed but the bread and butter hate tool from Drk is souleater / last resort which while they give hate just for use are typically melee'd with on for max effect?

[Tricen]

I can't honestly think of any common /DRK hate tools that give any amount of TP. Am I missing something obvious, or were you misinformed?

I was under the impression that for /drk you would be using souleater/last resort and meleeing, bio would give TP for sure not sure about Stun (probably not since it doesn't do damage).

haven't used /drk myself so it is entirely possible I could be misinformed but the bread and butter hate tool from Drk is souleater / last resort which while they give hate just for use are typically melee'd with on for max effect?

You don't cast bio, and you just click soul eater and last resort off when you use them.

[Woozie]

When NIN/DRKs cotank with me (PLD/NIN) I usually ask them to keep SE on if it's a mob that wont counter the hell out of them so I can spam cure :D. But otherwise, with NIN/DRKx2, they usually click SE off immediately.

[ferigor]

On anything that builds stun resistance can't you do /pld? I've wanted to ask if anyone has tried out nin/pld tanking but haven't gotten around to it (until now). It won't be as good as pld/nin since only cure 3, but there is sentinel, shield bash, cure 3, flash, etc.

I don't think that you'd have enough hate holding tools. Cure III isn't a whole lot of hate, and from what I know you only get hate according to how much you cure, so lets say a 22hp Cure III isn't going to generate as much hate as a resisted bind/sleep. Flash is of course a pretty viable hate holding tool, but thats really the only spell that /pld would contribute to hate.

As far as shield bash is concerned, I don't think thats viable. The only shields that NIN can equip are the level 30 latent ones (/pld one gives 2 agi!), and I think you'd be better suited just using 2 katanas. I suppose you could macro it in for shield bash and switch back to 2 katanas, but I'm not sure it'd make a noticeable difference in hate to be worth the loss of an inventory space. Also, you don't seen NIN/DRK macroing in a GK to do weapon bash, do you? (I haven't at least)

Auto-Refresh from /pld is a plus, but if you are NIN/DRK tanking with a BRD and RDM in the party, you probably won't notice an extra 1 mp a tic.

NIN/PLD seems pretty viable as a solo sub, but I don't see it being the new wave for tanking hnms.

[Okuza]

Nin/Drk is not entirely a good idea on anything that builds stun resistance and has moves you need to stun. On almost anything else /Drk is the best bet for a Nin just because of the amazing hate output.

so my LS needs to start recruiting/ getting our NINs to raise DRK? what mobs do NIN tank now a days that PLD/NIN cant?

No. Anything you use Nin/Drk on Pld/Nin is just as good.

I'd agree that NIN/drk has better hate output than NIN/war, but I wouldn't go so far as to say amazing. NIN/drk also has the dubious distinction of requiring more support to do it's job than NIN/war. Instead of just a healer, you need BOTH a healer and a 'fresher. I really like playing NIN/drk, but IMHO, it's very specialized and most of the time rather more of a burden than it's worth.

The big wins for it are on fights where more stuns are nice or for kiting -- as long as you're not trying to kite a critter that puts up utsusemi and you have both haste and fresh. If you're doing things that require any versatility in group formation or variety of targets, NIN/war wins outright. You can put a NIN/war into a less-supported group and still get plenty enough tanking to do the job. NIN/war can tank PLD-style on demand, too. I tried Faust as NIN/drk and while it worked, I was less than pleased with it's performance compared to NIN/war. NIN/drk would work great for duo-kiting Faust or similar stuff, though.

I haven't tried keeping SE up and letting a co-tank PLD/nin cure me. That sounds like an interesting way to either generate a great deal of hate on both of us or die trying. Might be a fun change of pace.