More pedophiles

[archibaldcrane]

Found an interesting (and long) article about origins of pedophilia, diverse ways in which it manifests itself, etc:

Psychoanalytic theories look at deviant sexual behavior as stemming from early childhood trauma at ages 2 to 5. Sexual or physical abuse leaves the child in a state of overstimulation, confusion, separation anxiety and rage. Feeling helpless and powerless, this victim may sexually act out as a way of re-creating the original trauma with the hope of mastering the anxiety associated with it. The victim may also identify with the abusing adult and act out sexually with a younger child. This acting out makes the individual feel alive and vital and re-establishes a feeling of control and power. But the feeling of dominance soon dissipates and the re-enactment has to be repeated, forcing the individual to molest over and over again.

Family system theories stress the role of unresolved inter-generational family dynamics on specific family members——for example, an unconscious conflict that is unacceptable to a parent might be encouraged in a child.

Behaviorism and social learning theories stress the fact that sexual pleasure reinforces behavior, and a child who has been assaulted by an adult or other child feels guilt associated with the sexual pleasure. As an adult, this individual experiences internal conflict and ambivalence, which then takes the form of sexually acting out with children.

Biological theories stress the possibility of brain illness or damage as a cause of deviant sexual arousal. Research in this area takes several paths——for example, too much of the male hormone testosterone leads to violence and chaotic sexual behavior, caused, for instance, by a mother's stress during pregnancy, or by her intake of specific drugs, or because of the presence of brain abnormalities that create specific behavioral problems.

Fourth, fixated pedophiles and ephebophiles are typically developmentally arrested, psycho sexually immature, non-assertive, heterosexually inhibited, lacking in social skills and without a basic knowledge of sexuality. They have a need for control, and a child becomes for them a pliant and manipulative object. The pedophile or ephebophile is at the same psychosexual age as his victim. Generally, it is not a particular child who is arousing, but the sight, smell and sound of any child.

Fifth, power and control are critical factors. The child is yielding and vulnerable and perceived as unthreatening, unassertive and lacking the ability to retaliate because of his size and lack of power. In a sense, the child molester does what the adult does with the prostitute: i.e., bypasses personal autonomy.

Sixth, pedophiles and ephebophile often play games with their victims: e.g., wrestling, tickling or taking a "sex survey" of the victim. Pedophiles and ephebophiles often "court" their victim through these games and manipulate them through invitations to movies, trips and treats.

Seventh, the sexual acting out results in more pleasant emotional states, putting a psychological distance between the perpetrator''s feelings of loneliness, emptiness, despair and lack of connectedness to others and the sexual excitement. While pedophiles and ephebophiles very often rationalize their molestation as helping the victim (e.g., as caretaker, parent, teacher or friend), this sexual behavior is always an aggressive act, and the child is always a victim.

These factors can be properly contexualized when one realizes that pedophiles and ephebophiles sustain four basic personality dysfunctions:

Emotional congruence: for the pedophile and ephebophile, children have a special meaning because of their lack of dominance and power.
Sexual arousal: for the pedophile and ephebophile, children are the object of sexual stimulation with variational and specific needs——for example, boys must lack pubic hair, or girls must be blond and blue-eyed.

Blockage: the pedophile and ephebophile have no capacity for authentic heterosexual or homosexual relationships.

Disinhibition: the pedophile and ephebophile often use alcohol or other drugs to lower inhibitions prior to the sexual acting out with children.

The bolded part is something I believe strongly to be the case.

[Charla]

blacknova posted bail and logged on like the next day, prompting much whitegate spam and a long thread around here. Devlin didn't post bail (they wanted a million cash only) and said to the camera that MMOs are cool. Then someone made a webcomic that goes like this:
Taru sam: man, this exp is great.
Devlin: afk, kidnapping a kid
Elvaan something: ...when he says kidnapping a kid, he means taking a dump, right?
sam: I guess. What else could it mean?
caption: It all makes sense now!

Blacknova later mentioned that they dropped the charges or something and it really was one mislnamed file, but nobody else bothered to check.

[Falconblade]

Found an interesting (and long) article about origins of pedophilia, diverse ways in which it manifests itself, etc:

Psychoanalytic theories look at deviant sexual behavior as stemming from early childhood trauma at ages 2 to 5. Sexual or physical abuse leaves the child in a state of overstimulation, confusion, separation anxiety and rage. Feeling helpless and powerless, this victim may sexually act out as a way of re-creating the original trauma with the hope of mastering the anxiety associated with it. The victim may also identify with the abusing adult and act out sexually with a younger child. This acting out makes the individual feel alive and vital and re-establishes a feeling of control and power. But the feeling of dominance soon dissipates and the re-enactment has to be repeated, forcing the individual to molest over and over again.

Family system theories stress the role of unresolved inter-generational family dynamics on specific family members——for example, an unconscious conflict that is unacceptable to a parent might be encouraged in a child.

Behaviorism and social learning theories stress the fact that sexual pleasure reinforces behavior, and a child who has been assaulted by an adult or other child feels guilt associated with the sexual pleasure. As an adult, this individual experiences internal conflict and ambivalence, which then takes the form of sexually acting out with children.

Biological theories stress the possibility of brain illness or damage as a cause of deviant sexual arousal. Research in this area takes several paths——for example, too much of the male hormone testosterone leads to violence and chaotic sexual behavior, caused, for instance, by a mother's stress during pregnancy, or by her intake of specific drugs, or because of the presence of brain abnormalities that create specific behavioral problems.

Fourth, fixated pedophiles and ephebophiles are typically developmentally arrested, psycho sexually immature, non-assertive, heterosexually inhibited, lacking in social skills and without a basic knowledge of sexuality. They have a need for control, and a child becomes for them a pliant and manipulative object. The pedophile or ephebophile is at the same psychosexual age as his victim. Generally, it is not a particular child who is arousing, but the sight, smell and sound of any child.

Fifth, power and control are critical factors. The child is yielding and vulnerable and perceived as unthreatening, unassertive and lacking the ability to retaliate because of his size and lack of power. In a sense, the child molester does what the adult does with the prostitute: i.e., bypasses personal autonomy.

Sixth, pedophiles and ephebophile often play games with their victims: e.g., wrestling, tickling or taking a "sex survey" of the victim. Pedophiles and ephebophiles often "court" their victim through these games and manipulate them through invitations to movies, trips and treats.

Seventh, the sexual acting out results in more pleasant emotional states, putting a psychological distance between the perpetrator''s feelings of loneliness, emptiness, despair and lack of connectedness to others and the sexual excitement. While pedophiles and ephebophiles very often rationalize their molestation as helping the victim (e.g., as caretaker, parent, teacher or friend), this sexual behavior is always an aggressive act, and the child is always a victim.

These factors can be properly contexualized when one realizes that pedophiles and ephebophiles sustain four basic personality dysfunctions:

Emotional congruence: for the pedophile and ephebophile, children have a special meaning because of their lack of dominance and power.
Sexual arousal: for the pedophile and ephebophile, children are the object of sexual stimulation with variational and specific needs——for example, boys must lack pubic hair, or girls must be blond and blue-eyed.

Blockage: the pedophile and ephebophile have no capacity for authentic heterosexual or homosexual relationships.

Disinhibition: the pedophile and ephebophile often use alcohol or other drugs to lower inhibitions prior to the sexual acting out with children.

The bolded part is something I believe strongly to be the case.

Theres just something that bothers me. This would give the impression that pedophiles are violent rapists who need to dominate. But, theres too few child rape cases to back that up in comparison to the amount of Pro-Pedophilia groups and Child Pornography distributors.

Theres something missing. I just dunno what.

[archibaldcrane]

Theres just something that bothers me. This would give the impression that pedophiles are violent rapists who need to dominate. But, theres too few child rape cases to back that up in comparison to the amount of Pro-Pedophilia groups and Child Pornography distributors.

Theres something missing. I just dunno what.

What you're missing is the -extreme- underreporting of child rape. It happens all too often, and the vast majority of the time it's unreported. For example, that's how some Catholic priests were able to molest scores of children over 20+ years - the truth never got to the police, due to shame, manipulation, and the age of the victims. Also, since most molestation is by a family member or trusted person that is close to the child, the child has the terrible choice of keeping the secret or putting this family member, that many times they "love", away. I dated a girl once who was raped repeatedly over a 3-year period (10-13 i think) by her brother in law (her sister was 15 years older) but never told anyone. Her rationale? "I knew if I told anyone what he was doing to me, my father would kill him, and my family would be destroyed. I didn't want that to happen, so I never told anyone." It's hard to argue with that logic, and the idea that a 10 year old would have to make a decision like that is just...unfathomably terrible.

Also, just because you're attracted to power imbalance with kids, doesn't mean you're snatching them off the street, tying them up and raping them til the cows come home - where it will be obvious what you've done. Most would much prefer to be able to continue their "relationship" with their victim, and that is obtained through fear and manipulation.

[BRP]

There is almost no logical way to see why a grown up man would be attracted to a child much less desire to rape him and or kill him.

Uh, actually, it's not entirely illogical. Studies are always being done on people with such desires.

[Kuya]

Disinhibition: the pedophile and ephebophile often use alcohol or other drugs to lower inhibitions prior to the sexual acting out with children.

LOL

read rest of thread later, just wanted to point that out