Fishing

[AzazaelFenrir]

AFAIK you can buy fish from the AH and enter them in the contest, the only time it wouldn't work is if someone entered the fish, then put it on the AH and that's the one you bought. Not 100% sure though as when it's contest time I always catch my own, but on Asura last contest fish was Giant Chiari, none sold since like January of last year then all of a sudden the AH was stacked with them selling 10 or so a day.

Also TY Nibu for answering my previous question. Gives me a good idea of what to expect.

My only worry would be buying one that was already used. For some rare fish I expect people would be putting them up after their use to make some easy gil on people who didn't know.

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Page claimed in the name of 9,600 fished moats for my Lu~ (got impatient and bought last 400)

[Sarial]

I know very little about how you go about really targeting fish, but I'm a cook, and my girlfriend wants to level fishing so I can use the squid/noble ladies/black sole to make gil for both of us.

What sort of level would be required for her to effectively do this? Would she need Lu Shang's? And what sort of time-input could be expected for her to reach here, considering maybe fishing an hour a day? Maybe two?

[Liminality]

Wtf moat carp for gp today when I'm 8k away from signboard. If that isn't karma for telling people to fish nebs and buy a Lu then I don't know what is...

This is what greg gets for convincing me to buy my Lu Shang's! (And still have it and Fishing is currently 96)

~Ninja Edit~

I don't know about trying to do Black Soles. I Fished those till 95 and I don't think an hour would get you very far with them. Just trying to fish up Black Soles to 200/day would literally take hours depending on bite rates. This is just from my personal experience, tho. They are however, good gil.

[Theraven]

@theraven
awesome except you mean moglification gives skill and additional depletion not less breaks? Kim posting from my phone but I'm pretty sure that's what the ingaame description said

oh, well I had been reading where people said they got less line breaks with moglification setup, guess that's from the +skill (that you get with moghancement already)?

[Dowzer]

I know very little about how you go about really targeting fish, but I'm a cook, and my girlfriend wants to level fishing so I can use the squid/noble ladies/black sole to make gil for both of us.

What sort of level would be required for her to effectively do this? Would she need Lu Shang's? And what sort of time-input could be expected for her to reach here, considering maybe fishing an hour a day? Maybe two?

If she's strictly going for sushi mats, Talacca Cove may be an option. I didn't go there until I was over level 40. Mercanbaligi (Bream Sushi) can be caught there too but they often stole my lures before I bought Lu Shang's. I have no idea if Dils (Sole Sushi) will steal your bait without a Lu.

I suggest Talacca Cove because "targeting" there is virtually useless with a Shrimp Lure. You'll only catch Dils(!), Mercanbaligi(!) and Ahtapots(!!!). Only pull up the (!) and avoid rusty items, bingo.

You still won't get very much in only an hour or two, but I'm certain you'll have more to synth in Talacca than Port Jeuno.

Would Qufim be an option? I've never tried fishing sole there but Gigant Squid (the only !!! fish on that coast, easiest to target) aren't too hard to catch either.

[Sarial]

Go to Talacca at like. . .4? How high can it take you?

[Dowzer]

Uhhh, level 4? I don't know if you'll be able to reel anything in with that low of skill. Dil (eastern equivalent of black sole) cap at 96, Mercanbaligi at 86 and Ahtapot at 90.

Maybe forget about it altogether until you two decide to skill up. (Why not level fishing with her too?) o_O

Like I said, I didn't go there until I was 40. Sorry if that was misleading. That meant I couldn't reliably pull up Dils before that. They were literally too strong and I timed out on over half of them, even after level 35. It wasn't until 40 that I reeled in every single one.

Don't let that judge your skill though. I've heard people can reel in really strong fish at low levels. Personally, I was able to catch lv90 Grimmonite (western equiv of Ahtapot) at level 14. Just something about those Dils that I couldn't manage until level 40.

[urat]

So far I'm seeing some kinda interesting stuff on my parses, water resist vs naked isnt doing much, but theres not nearly enough data there to say anything, but naked vs apron + 3 skill is very... peculiar.

Heres what I've got so far: Mercs : Dils : Ahtas : others(items/monsters) : no catches

Naked: 1 : 1.13 : 1.05 : 2.09 : 0.82

apron +3 skill: 1 : 1.11 : 1.07 : 1.32 : 1.22

It seems the apron's effect is simply swapping an item catch for a "you didnt catch anything" every nth item (looks about every 4th?)

It also looks like the game is considering monsters as items, since 99.999999% of my canceled catches in talacca are monsters, with the very very rare at the end 1 or 2 rusty items.

So apron cancels out monsters, making it possibly a bad idea to wear if you're going after devil manta. Maybe?

[cdgreg]

What are you using to parse results?

[urat]

Older version of a FFace fish bot, if I use an older version of fface with it it will still parse my results but wont actually do any casting, allowing me to keep track of everything, do gear swaps, etc.

So far it's looking like fishing apron isnt as great as we thought it was, though if it does work like it seems to its still very excellent for consumable baits that get eaten by things like cone calamary (matsya I'm looking at you)

[Dowzer]

Brigand's chart, Pirate's chart and a Trident since last night. Aaaaand going back to Talacca. >_>

[Arthars]

That pretty much clarifies...

So I guess the best is to put "The Big One" plus the 200k GP Signboard.
So, can we consider OK to skip the 150k GP item?

I say so because I am sitting at 60k GP and wondering if I better get the Apron at 100k or save for the Signboard at 200k. (Got Waders and Rumors of course)

Will get crafted a Big One soon, so that is covered.

Thanks for the advise

yes skip the fishing hole map

big one covers it

only difference is big one is 5 power, hole map is 9 power, which allows you to play more with your furniture to obtain easier fishing skill moghancement before you get signboard

if you wanna give moghancement a skip and just go into moglification, big one + signboard is the way to go

[Sarial]

Dowzer helped me a ton^^ Many thanks

I'm a little bit of gil off from being able to afford a Lu Shangs. I can't decide whether I should fish in East Ronfuare for 60 days to make the 3M rod, or if there's something else I can skill up on to make the gil to buy the rod in the mean time? Level 9 atm. What do you guys recommend as a course of action? Dowzer mentioned Halcyon/Crawfish bait in SSG. That work well and bring in a bit of $$$ until I can go to Talacca and reel in the big money?

[Ghost_Wheel22]

Stay on moats until 11, hit nebs for 1-2 weeks or until 28 fishing (whichever happens first), and slowly sell while you coast to 53 on istridye. Should get a lu shang in about a month.

[Ivaden]

Yeah, Nebimonites sell relatively quick. Between those and Istiridye, had I not decided to spend the money I've made on fishing so far (hit 35 tonight), I'd probably be very close to owning a Lu Shang's. Got a Pelican Ring from the last fish ranking, so I'm being optimistic that by the time it runs out of charges, I'll be considerably close to needing a Lu Shang's, so I'm tightening down on my gil now to save up for one.

Edit: Went to try Trumpet Shells earlier since Urat brought them to my attention in one of these threads and they're damn good money. I hooked a few I assume since the rod acted like an item, but I couldn't hold them for longer than 15 seconds. I'd hook it, try to deplete stamina (was going easily, but very slowly), and after no longer than about 5 seconds I'd get the warning message about losing my catch. Is my skill (35.x) too low? Planning on going back around 45 to try again for the hell of it, since they cap only 10 skills higher than Istiridye iirc. Using Robber Rig and Mithran Fishing Pole, btw.

[Lasareth]

Since I was bored and the idea was brought up earlier, I went ahead and skimmed the thread to pick up some important points, if anyone's interested. Some are responses to FAQs and some are posts picked out from the thread concerning other discussions.

Hit-and-run Points

-You can repair a Lu Shang's Fishing Rod without WW skill in Rabao

-The three fishing rings:
Pelican Ring: Increases skill up rate (Two chances at skillup per reel, yes you can double skillup). Requires placement in the top 20 of the Fish Ranking Contest.
Albatross Ring: Increases reeling time. Obtained as a 100% reward for the Pirate's Chart Quest.
Penguin Ring: Decreases fish's stamina more effectively while reeling. Obtained as a possible 3rd 4th or 5th chest reward in the Brigand's Chart Quest.

The ring effects disppear if you zone.


-Moglification: Fishing obtained by having Fisherman's Signboard (Required) 200,000 Guild points and Veteran fishing rank) and one or both of the following:
-The Big One (crafted)
-Fishing Hole Map (requires 150,000 GP and Veteran status)


-The Ebisu Fishing Rod Quest requires the key item Serpent Rumors (95,000 GP, Adept rank required) to complete. Opal Slilk and Saber Shoot, the two items required to complete it, can be obtained without the quest flagged.

-Fishing Fatigue caps at 200 fish give or take per earth day, resets at JP midnight tally. Approaching the cap has a noticeable effect on the wait period between casts. Characters under level 20 are limited to 10 fish per day.

-Phanauet Newts suck



Resources/quick links

Fishing Category on FFXI wikia

FFXIAH Guild Pattern (updates daily)

Completed Relic/Ebisu Rod List - Also, Indomitable Spirit quest bitching

Titanictus.com Forums

Kida's FFXI Fishing Database for fishers in Final Fantasy XI - comprehensive DB of fishing caps, locations, bait, rods

cdgreg's Fishing for Dummies (Reposted below):

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I'll repost this little guide I wrote while I was planning my quest to 100 based off a poster here. Please don't yell at me, I know there are other alternatives, and I know not everyone can afford a Lu to begin in Nash early, but hope it helps. Also you can start any next "stage" earlier if you can handle it, such as Talacca/Ahtapot/Merc/Dils before 53.


First off, let me give credit where credit is due:
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/49347-fishing-40.html


Preface
After asking him some follow up questions about bait, zones, etc, here is what I view as the fastest and most profitable fishing to at least 90+, I know there's a lot more to be researched on 90-100, but I'll have plenty of time for that while I fish. First, I'm not sure what level you can begin fishing Istiridye's, they are the Eastern equivilant of Shall Shells and were not only quite easy to reel in at 28, but I also used to fish Shall Shells with 20ish skills in Bub Pen. Secondly, I will assume Lu Shangs fishing rod but you can also use Halcyon, atleast upto 53. Honestly, by 53, you'll probably have made enough to pay for at least half, if not more of a Lu's just NPCing everything. All of this can be done in the Nashmau area, however, if there is a close zone alternative I will include that option.

Stage 0.5: Nebimonite
Fishing Levels: 0-27
Area: Ship between Mhaura/Selbina or Sea Serpent Grotto
Bait: Halcyon Rod (or Lu of course) & Crayfish Paste
Notes: Skip moats and hit these up for 27 levels. They sell incredibly fast on the AH for about 9k per stack. To save more gil, buy the crayfish paste at the fisherman's guild for dirt cheap. I'm sure they were exaggerating, but people said they made almost enough to buy a Lu from AHing these from 0-27 instead of spending time on Moats and random other fish. I imagine if you would like you can start Istiridye earlier than 27 assuming you have a Lu, a friend began them at level 7 with a Lu.

Stage 1: Istiridye
Fishing Levels: 0-53
Area: Nashmau
Bait: Robber Rig
Notes: These are incredibly easy to reel in and stack. If you are a bit patient they will sell on the AH for 7k a stack, or find a high level bonecrafter who synths them into black pearls and sell to them directly for a negotiable price. They also NPC for 300ish gil. I made 70k my first day just NPCing these while racking in a couple fishing skill levels from 30-33ish. I currently dbox them to a high level bone friend for 5k a stack.

Stage 2: Mercanbaligi & Ahtapot
Fishing Levels: 53-86
Area: Nashmau
Bait: Shrimp Lure
Additional Location: Tallaca Cave, W exit of Nashmau through Caederva Mire near Einherjar entrance.
Notes: A friend prefers Tallaca Cave, the difference is in Tallaca you will also fish up Dil's which you will not in Nashmau. NPC rates seem to vary on these from about 600g on Mercs to 700gish on Ahtapots. Mercs are the Eastern equivalent of Bastore Breams and Ahtapots are the Eastern equivalents of Grimmonites. Dil's npc for almost 800g each and are the eastern version of black sole which cap at 96. I personally prefered Nashmau until the Ahtapot cap at 90.

This is where a few options seem to open:

Stage 3 Option A: Pterygotus
Area: Nashmau
Fishing Levels 86-99
Bait: Lugworm
Notes: Biterate is acceptable, and these will not break a Lu.

Stage 3 Option B: Dil
Area: Talacca Cave
Fishing Levels: 86-96
Bait: Shrimp Lure
Notes: You will also hit Mercs (single !) which are already capped, and also Ahtapots (!!!) which cap at 90 but the bite rate of hooking dils is similar to Pter's and you will make nice gil off the other 2 fish in the meantime.

Stage 3: Option C: Cave Cherax
Area: Quicksand Caves
Fishing Levels: 86+ or more likely 99-100
Bait: A MEATABALLS
Notes: These will snap a Lu Shangs and/or your line. If you go this route and do not have WW high enough to repair consider buying multiple Lu's.

Stage 4: Option D: Armored Pisces
Area: Oldton Movalpolos
Fishing Levels: 86+ or more likely 99-100
Bait: Sinking Minnow
Notes: These *will not* snap a line or rod if the fish is completely depleted. Bite rate seems to be equal or possibly better than Cave Cherax.

Stage 5: Option D: Lik/Gugs
Area: Lufaise Meadows, Open Sea Route Mhaura/Al Zahbi
Bait: Minnow, Meatballs
Notes: If you are lucky enough to have an Ebisu by the time you cap Ahtapot 90 in Talacca Cove skilling off these is a profitable option. I personally skilled 90-100 off Liks and made quite a fortune bazaaring some for 15k and unloading others to lsmates for 10k each and helping them obtain an ebisu. This really wouldn't be a great idea if you had a Lu, but if you were lucky enough to have an Ebisu at this point, the skill ups were quite decent.
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TLDR Fishing for Dummies Version:
All done in Nashmau:
0-53 Robber Rig, Istiridye (If no Lu, then Nebs until 27 w/Halcyon)
53-86 Shrimp Lure, Mercanbaligi & Ahtapot
86-99 Lugworm or Sinking Minnow, Pterygotus
99-100 QSC, Meatballs/Cave Cherax OR Oldton Movalpolos, Sinking Minnow/Armored Pisces, OR Lik/Gugs Minnow/Meatballs

CPUkiller-slowing tips

Urat's Moghancement Theory (1,2) (Rebuttal)

Observations on July ebisu update (1, 2, 3, 4, 5)

An opinion on mooching

Lik/Gugru Lu Shang's bite rate info

Differentiating between Ahtapots and monsters

Discussion on Pirate's/Brigand's Chart event odds

[Theraven]

Man, you guys either skill up a LOT slower than me (thus catching a lot more fish per level) or everything on your server is worth a lot more than mine... I've kept track of every gil I've made from fishing since I started and at level 77 I'm still not close to the purchase price of a lu shang. I did 0-27 on nebs, 27-53 on istiridye and 53-77 on mercs/ahtapots. I even sold some ahtapots on the ah for 3 times what they npc for for extra gil. And I didn't start using the pelican ring until level 50 or 51 so it was natural skillups until then. So.. yea. I don't see where you would come up with the money for lu's by level 50.

[shaddix]

agree 50 is a bit early lol, but i started in talacca at level 30, skipped nebs completely, did moats from 0-12, 12-30 istiridye, 30-88 talacca, (ebisu acquire@88)88-100 lik/gugru

takes 21 days of fishing to cap in talacca for 3m

i'm letting a buddy of mine, actually two buddies, borrow lu shangs so they can skillup with ease and then pay me back once they make the 3m

[braaaanch]

@49.8 Skill and just started trying Talacca Cove last night.

All I have to say is 50% of mercanbaligi seem to be on the juice. Some are SOOO easy to bring in, while others seem to have spent their entire lives on HGH & Creatine.

Ahtapot & Dil are no problem.

I guess it will just take some time to get used to them?

[cdgreg]

@49.8 Skill and just started trying Talacca Cove last night.

All I have to say is 50% of mercanbaligi seem to be on the juice. Some are SOOO easy to bring in, while others seem to have spent their entire lives on HGH & Creatine.

Ahtapot & Dil are no problem.

I guess it will just take some time to get used to them?

Wth are you sure some of the mercs on juice are not actually dils? When I was skiliing mercs were a walk in the park but dils were annoying as he'll. They're obviously both (!)