Fishing

[Electro]

Lu Shang's Rod or Halcyon + Rouge Rig = Istiridye

[Yatuwatu]

Lu Shang's Rod or Halcyon + Rouge Rig = Istiridye

I think shall shells are a better bet then - they sell a lot faster on AH (as in, tens of stacks per day vs. a couple a week, on Hades anyway). When does the Merc/Ahta and then Pter spammage start for most people then?

-Yatu

[Bakthi]

Nashmau/talacca are gods gift to fishermen. I know the scenery gets old and repetitive but for bites/Gil/skillup per hour you just can't beat it up until 90, or hell even 96 depending on your rod.

I see you also have cooking. I haven't been fishing for a while, as I was pushing to finish up Maat's Cap. Previously, I'd hit up SSG (with an occasional glacier side trip) and turn everything into tacos/ink. I was NPCing the ink though, as competition for everything I could turn it into was pretty harsh most of the time, and now that's not really a good option. The taco market comes and goes (seems crowded at the moment). Would fishing up stuff in Nashmau and NPCing it be better gil? It would certainly be a lot less work...

[nitsuj]

I see you also have cooking. I haven't been fishing for a while, as I was pushing to finish up Maat's Cap. Previously, I'd hit up SSG (with an occasional glacier side trip) and turn everything into tacos/ink. I was NPCing the ink though, as competition for everything I could turn it into was pretty harsh most of the time, and now that's not really a good option. The taco market comes and goes (seems crowded at the moment). Would fishing up stuff in Nashmau and NPCing it be better gil? It would certainly be a lot less work...

Fishing in Nash will net you about 120k a day on average. If you have something you can craft that either NPC's for more than 700 profit per synth, or if you can sell it on AH you're likely going to make more money in less time with the crafting.

I've realized that using Nashmau to fund alchemy mule to 100 was a great idea, but the Alchemy mule can make nearly 120k in 10 minutes of AH listing instead of fishing for 6 hours... so my days of fishing in Nash for gil are likely about to end..

[Windfoxster]

I think shall shells are a better bet then - they sell a lot faster on AH (as in, tens of stacks per day vs. a couple a week, on Hades anyway). When does the Merc/Ahta and then Pter spammage start for most people then?

-Yatu

They are the same actually, just that people are more used to the old version. I started mercs/ahta at level 50ish, using albatross sometimes. As for ptery, only fished like 20+ in my fishing career and went for cherax.

[Electro]

I personally believe the Istiridyes do not fight as hard as the shall shells, making it easier to pull them in.

Plus if you are in Nash you can angle just perfect enough to get a 12-14 Fps (or at least I can) which makes it easier.

Naturally in bubu I can only get about 19-22 fps at the least.

[Yatuwatu]

Tried Trumpet shells 2 days ago. Caught 47 in 3 hours with *one* .2 skillup. That was it .... Bad luck on my part? Back to grinding in nash with pelican ring I guess.

What level are you? I tried there @ 35 and even w/ Lu Shang's bite rate was infrequent and they *suck* to wear down. 47 in 3 hours sounds like decent gil though. {I'm interested.}

-Yatu

[cdgreg]

I'll repost this for like the 3rd time in this topic for some of the newer/recently came back fishermen

First off, let me give credit where credit is due:
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/49347-fishing-40.html

I Resumed fishing sometime in January. I do not ever want to be in nashmau again! I think I was 27 or 30something when I resumed. I caught as many fish as I could stand to catch every single day, All 200 sometimes. The hardest periods for me were the transition periods when I had to learn new fish, (ie canceling the ones I knew were not the ones I wanted) I have had no other income and I've been buying random shit. I currently have 5mil in profits. I do not doubt I'd be around 7-8 mil now if I had not bought random shit. That said. I npced everything.

Istiridye>Mercanbaligi+Ahtapot>Mercanbaligi+Dil (canceling all !!! fish Ahtapots)>Cave Cherax.


Like I said I tried Pterygotus because I did not want to deal with a broken rod but good lord, the skillups were too abysmal for me. I took Cave Cherax in QSC and ate rod breaks anyway. Suckers snapped my line a shitload and broke my rod about twice a day. I could never reach 200 on them either. I think most I pulled off was 100, on average I caught about 75 Cherax, they npc for 1600 gil though, making them pretty decent skillup fish.

That said, this in my opinion is the fastest skill/profit path.

Preface
After asking him some follow up questions about bait, zones, etc, here is what I view as the fastest and most profitable fishing to at least 90+, I know there's a lot more to be researched on 90-100, but I'll have plenty of time for that while I fish. First, I'm not sure what level you can begin fishing Istiridye's, they are the Eastern equivilant of Shall Shells and were not only quite easy to reel in at 28, but I also used to fish Shall Shells with 20ish skills in Bub Pen. Secondly, I will assume Lu Shangs fishing rod but you can also use Halcyon, atleast upto 53. Honestly, by 53, you'll probably have made enough to pay for at least half, if not more of a Lu's just NPCing everything. All of this can be done in the Nashmau area, however, if there is a close zone alternative I will include that option.

Stage 0.5: Nebimonite
Fishing Levels: 0-27
Area: Ship between Mhaura/Selbina or Sea Serpent Grotto
Bait: Halcyon Rod (or Lu of course) & Crayfish Paste
Notes: Skip moats and hit these up for 27 levels. They sell incredibly fast on the AH for about 9k per stack. To save more gil, buy the crayfish paste at the fisherman's guild for dirt cheap. I'm sure they were exaggerating, but people said they made almost enough to buy a Lu from AHing these from 0-27 instead of spending time on Moats and random other fish. I imagine if you would like you can start Istiridye earlier than 27 assuming you have a Lu, a friend began them at level 7 with a Lu.
***ADDITIONAL NOTE: I've heard Nebs dont bite very well until around 15, so it may be best to just do moats from 0-11.

Stage 1: Istiridye
Fishing Levels: 0-53
Area: Nashmau
Bait: Robber Rig
Notes: These are incredibly easy to reel in and stack. If you are a bit patient they will sell on the AH for 7k a stack, or find a high level bonecrafter who synths them into black pearls and sell to them directly for a negotiable price. They also NPC for 300ish gil. I made 70k my first day just NPCing these while racking in a couple fishing skill levels from 30-33ish. I currently dbox them to a high level bone friend for 5k a stack.

Stage 2: Mercanbaligi & Ahtapot
Fishing Levels: 53-86
Area: Nashmau
Bait: Shrimp Lure
Additional Location: Talacca Cove, W exit of Nashmau through Caederva Mire near Einherjar entrance.
Notes: A friend prefers Talacca Cove, the difference is in Talacca you will also fish up Dil's which you will not in Nashmau. NPC rates seem to vary on these from about 600g on Mercs to 700gish on Ahtapots. Mercs are the Eastern equivalent of Bastore Breams and Ahtapots are the Eastern equivalents of Grimmonites. Dil's npc for almost 800g each and are the eastern version of black sole which cap at 96.

[i]This is where a few options seem to open:

Stage 3 Option A: Pterygotus
Area: Nashmau
Fishing Levels 86-99
Bait: Lugworm
Notes: Biterate is acceptable, and these will not break a Lu.

Stage 3 Option B: Dil
Area: Talacca Cave
Fishing Levels: 86-96
Bait: Shrimp Lure
Notes: You will also hit Mercs (single !) which are already capped, and also Ahtapots (!!!) which cap at 90 but the bite rate of hooking dils is similar to Pter's and you will make nice gil off the other 2 fish in the meantime.

Stage 3: Option C: Cave Cherax
Area: Quicksand Caves
Fishing Levels: 86+ or more likely 99-100
Bait: A MEATABALLS
Notes: These will snap a Lu Shangs and/or your line. If you go this route and do not have WW high enough to repair consider buying multiple Lu's.

Stage 4: Option D: Armored Pisces
Area: Oldton Movalpolos
Fishing Levels: 86+ or more likely 99-100
Bait: Sinking Minnow
Notes: These *will not* snap a line or rod if the fish is completely depleted. Bite rate seems to be equal or possibly better than Cave Cherax.

Stage 5: Option D: Lik/Gugs
Area: Lufaise Meadows, Open Sea Route Mhaura/Al Zahbi
Bait: Minnow, Meatballs
Notes: If you are lucky enough to have an Ebisu by the time you cap Ahtapot 90 in Talacca Cove skilling off these is a profitable option. I personally skilled 90-100 off Liks and made quite a fortune bazaaring some for 15k and unloading others to lsmates for 10k each and helping them obtain an ebisu. This really wouldn't be a great idea if you had a Lu, but if you were lucky enough to have an Ebisu at this point, the skill ups were quite decent.
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TLDR Fishing for Dummies Version:
All done in Nashmau:
0-53 Robber Rig, Istiridye (If no Lu, Halcyon to 27 on Nebs)
53-86 Shrimp Lure, Mercanbaligi & Ahtapot
86-99 Lugworm or Sinking Minnow, Pterygotus
99-100 QSC, Meatballs/Cave Cherax OR Oldton Movalpolos, Sinking Minnow/Armored Pisces, OR Lik/Gugs Minnow/Meatballs

[cdgreg]

As for me having cooking yes I do, did I use it nah? I tried for awhile turning the fish into sushi but it took up so much time it didn't seem worth it. I was happy spending 4 hours fishing to cap and making 120k then moving onto something else in-game or going to bed =p. If you have a ton of time and want to synth the merc/dils into sushi go for it, but the opportunity cost/inventory space was not worth it for me.

In Nash, my fav spot was all the way down the right side at the end, seemed to have a better FPS than right when you come down the ramp.

Lastly as for eastern shalls in Nashma vs regular shall shells I'm pretty sure the bite rate in Nashmau is literally 5x better than regular shalls in bubru

[urat]

I personally have found that 96-100 doesnt quite work for the whole "profit and let the skillups come along" rule.

Instead, profit on liks and gugs, but skillup on cave cherax. After catching over 400 liks and gugras combined @96, I am currently at...

96.3. .2 of which I got off a cave cherax.

[Yatuwatu]

Thanks Cdgreg. I knew I'd seen something like that in these 121 pages, but gave up after a bit.

-Yatu

[dejet]

I think fishing has its own system, lik/gug seem to be so high of a skill lvl that the skill ups on them are rare, caves are like 103, so skill ups on them should come much better at like say 96-97 you are in that sweet spot till you hit 100. lik and gugs are to high to give you the great skill up rate, however they are good gil. at 15k a pop I could not say no. I had people buying them from me the day I got my e rod and every time I log on I still get /tells asking to buy my lik(I hate gugs)

I hit 100 off lik I was 99.6 I think when I got my E rod so that had something to do with it, I think I got 99 in nash tho and got a few random skill ups off titans and stuff over the months for GP fishing.

Rule tho still fish for gil unless for some reason you care that much about 100. losing 400k a day is just not worth it to me LOL (then again I am 100 so maybe I cant really speak)

[cdgreg]

I personally have found that 96-100 doesnt quite work for the whole "profit and let the skillups come along" rule.

Instead, profit on liks and gugs, but skillup on cave cherax. After catching over 400 liks and gugras combined @96, I am currently at...

96.3. .2 of which I got off a cave cherax.

Bad luck or differing experiences it sounds like. I did 90-100 all off liks, with a major dry spell around 94. However 96-100 only took about 84 pelican ring charges. Maybe that's a lot in someone elses book, bit seemed great in mine.

[Julian]

I have skilled up from 78-94 or 95 or w/e I was when I stopped playing, exclusively on Liks and Gugrusaurus.

Wasting your time fishing anything else (besides marlins, have gotten quite a few skillups from ryugus) is, well, wasting your time.

I personally don't believe skill level effects bite rate or snap rate or anything, but to each their own. The only thing I think it may do, is make catching stuff easier. I remember not being able to catch Ryugus at all at level 40ish, caught my first one in the 60's, and am pretty good at them now in the 80~90's+, but that could have just been me getting better at fishing, since other people claim to catch them easily at level 30 or whatever.

I honestly believe this is the best way to go about fishing, and for that reason I never really wanted to share it too much, but I know people aren't going to listen, and are gonna go "ooooh pretty blue 100 number must get" so whatever.

[Yatuwatu]

I have skilled up from 78-94 or 95 or w/e I was when I stopped playing, exclusively on Liks and Gugrusaurus.

Wasting your time fishing anything else (besides marlins, have gotten quite a few skillups from ryugus) is, well, wasting your time.

Assuming this is with Ebisu or enough woodworking to fix a Lu's? (Damn my Clothcraft 90!)

-Yatu

[nitsuj]

I personally have found that 96-100 doesnt quite work for the whole "profit and let the skillups come along" rule.

Instead, profit on liks and gugs, but skillup on cave cherax. After catching over 400 liks and gugras combined @96, I am currently at...

96.3. .2 of which I got off a cave cherax.

Every day in Nashmau, do 2-4 stacks of Lugworms with your skillup ring. Then switch to shrimp lure and fish for profit.

Keep doing it and you'll gradually get towards the 99 cap (I'm 98.6 right now I think).

Then for that last 1% just do it for fun. 100 will be a fun reward, so go do something risky every night for a few hours, go for 0.1 a night and then call it.

You won't burn out, you'll make profit to 100 and you'll have fun.

[Electro]

Every day in Nashmau, do 2-4 stacks of Lugworms with your skillup ring. Then switch to shrimp lure and fish for profit.

Keep doing it and you'll gradually get towards the 99 cap (I'm 98.6 right now I think).

Then for that last 1% just do it for fun. 100 will be a fun reward, so go do something risky every night for a few hours, go for 0.1 a night and then call it.

You won't burn out, you'll make profit to 100 and you'll have fun.

Lu's had made me have a great time fishing. I normally only fish for about 2 hours a day if I am lucky because of events and RL. So I fish up a few lvl 90 fish, with some other stuff. I'm only lvl 45 fishing now. But I am still making about 100k a day in 2 hours.

[cdgreg]

Here's an odd bit of wisdom:
The worst thing that can happen to a fisherman is hitting 100.

In regards to Juliano I believe he dinged into an Ebisu or atleast had it in the low 80s.

[Julian]

Assuming this is with Ebisu or enough woodworking to fix a Lu's? (Damn my Clothcraft 90!)

-Yatu

Yes, I'm also CC99, you really should aim to have an ebisu by 78 if you want to maximize your profits.

My view on fishing: First, reach 28/30 ASAP so you can turn stuff in to zaldon and get GP. Start building up GP. I would suggest mixing Marlin fishing and Nashmau, so you skill up at a decent rate, and also work towards charts (and skill ups from marlins themselves, while they last!) because you'll be needing those rings (I personally always use penguin with lik/gugrus, but I got a shitton of 'em lol) and kris are also good money.

Try and plan to hit 78 around the time you reach the GP needed, and invest money into getting your ebisu items over time. With average luck, you wont spend TOO much gil, and you'll make a majority of it back selling your lu shangs. From there on, it's all profit 8)

edit: if you're on odin, ignore my posts and don't do this, thx

[dejet]

Maybe not bite rate, I however do side with that you get less line snaps with higher skill.

Its rare I get any line snaps with my E rod, and even with the Lu shangs is was not bad at 99 skill, I think this is because of my high skill lvl. People aiming for the E rod in the 80's and low 90s seem to get higher line snap rates.