Fishing

[orac]

Currently 0/29 with pelazoea too.

[Julian]

I just got my puffin ring too, didn't count, but shoulda been somewhere around 1/50ish

[orac]

went 1/30 on noddy ring, now I got 10 pelazoea with nothing to do with, lol.

[nibu]

went 1/30 on noddy ring, now I got 10 pelazoea with nothing to do with, lol.

Send yourself the noddy ring you got; keep it in delivery box. Turn in the rest of your pelazoea, and if you get another ring, sell it.

[orac]

Yea, I should have done that, I ended up NPCing them though, lol, >.>

[GoggleHead]

So now that the fishing messages are borked, is there another way to differentiate non-stackable fish from a monster on the line?

I know to watch for automatic stamina depletion, but that hasn't been a consistent indicator for me as I'll still get monsters without the automatic stamina depletion showing up.

[Martinius]

put sneak up (composure + sneak is pure win) and just fish for a while... after 20-30 minutes, you'll see how your rod reacts to big fish vs. monsters...

for example, in SSG, a grim reacts like a neb... the rod pulls to the middle briefly before moving to a side, whereas with a mob, the rod immediately goes to a side... also, mobs will normally be significantly easier to pull in.

[Stoomie]

While fishing for guild points today, I was using Slice of Bluetail targeting Silver Sharks while reeling in Bhefhel Marlins as well, and inadvertently left Puffin Ring equipped. I was expecting to see these rings have a hardly noticeable, placebo like effect, but in the time my Puffin Ring was equipped, I caught 12 Marlins to only 2 Sharks. At a glance, this effect seems quite potent.

[crux]

It doesn't seem that potent considering the logs I took, but you know, I didn't even notice that I left it on for Silver Sharks. That certainly didn't help the fact that it took me multiple trips to pull in six. It's just force of habit now to leave the rings on at all times.

[Kalila]

I went out fishing for Hakuryu today to test the bite rate for Hakuryu using Sinking Minnow lure without using the two rings (to compare the two) and had quite a nice run during one of the hours I was fishing. I always like to notice how my lures are doing, and what I mean by that is catch vs line break rate. I noticed that this one lure was refusing to break and was interested in seeing how far it would go. This went on between 1:46 PM CST to 2:34 PM CST, that's 48 minutes without breaking. During that time this one lure managed to get 13 Hakuryu to bite and didn't snap in the process. I wish I had more lures like that!

Here is the log showing it, its quite large so I put it in a spoiler tag.

Spoiler: show

http://kalilla.files.wordpress.com/2...13-hakuryu.jpg

I love those kinds of lures, anyways I finished off the hour with 2 more catches making a total of 15 hakuryu in 1 hour.

It's nice tho, 13 Hakuryu for 1 Sinking Minnow. I love spending 600 gil for 136,708 gil.

Also the difference between rings so far is starting to show a larger gap, more like a 5% increase in Hakuryu instead of the 2-3% i stated before. I'll keep updating my data to find out a more clear picture.

Also, I believe that Sinking Minnow lure benefits much more using the rings than Minnow lure does. As my data has shown we already know the Sinking Minnow lure has a higher bite rate than Minnow lure, but what I'm realizing is this. As we know Minnow lure has 2 large fish it can catch: Hakuryu and Giant Squid, the Sinking Minnow lure only has one and that is Hakuryu. The rings increase the bite rate of large fish and that benefits both lures, but it benefits Sinking Minnow lure much more as my data is showing. My theory is that because Sinking Minnow lure only has 1 large fish that boosts it up greatly, honestly its almost showing twice as much. With Minnow lure your increasing the bite rate on both large fish so Hakuryu doesn't get as great as a boost as it would alone. My theory is that the rings together increase the bite rate of all possible large fish 5% and then that 5% is divided among all the possible large fish choices.

Of course I can not confirm this yet, and I would have to go out to a large grouping of large fish for a single lure to confirm it and I think that just isn't a realistic task for me atm. But for this fish, I know where my data is pointing at and I can say I'm fairly certain that I'm right or close to right.

So basically, when you use both rings together, at least for Hakuryu, you increase the bite rate of all the large fish together by 5% and its divided among all the possible choices. I will continue to compare lures and evaluate my personal data, but I like where it is going.

Happy fishing everyone

[nibu]

A bunch of good info

Argh, I really ought to get my butt out there and fish me some profits! Thanks for all the data!

[nitsuj]

I know it's been suggested before the Minnows have a better non-break rate than sinking... and I swear I've been seeing it over the last week, but it's hard for me to believe it's anything more than superstition.

Has anyone else seen Minnow's hold up a lot better than SInking (not counting the above "super sinking minnow" that refused to break )

[Kalila]

I know it's been suggested before the Minnows have a better non-break rate than sinking... and I swear I've been seeing it over the last week, but it's hard for me to believe it's anything more than superstition.

Has anyone else seen Minnow's hold up a lot better than SInking (not counting the above "super sinking minnow" that refused to break :P )

I've been documenting my fishing results on wiki so far http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Hakuryu and I can provide some facts about Hakuryu. The time allowed to reel in one is 39 seconds with an ebisu. Sinking Minnow "bite" rate is much higher than minnow lure, by 5-7% probably but wont know for sure until more data is recorded. Although the bite rate is higher I have been experiencing a much higher line snap rate between 8-10%.

Lets say you casted 1000 times with minnow lure and 1000 times with sinking minnow lure. Lets say the standard "Bite" rate for minnow lure is 10% and Sinking Minnow is 17%. Also lets say the standard Line Snap rate for Minnow lure is 31% and Sinking Minnow is 39%.

Bites:
* Minnow : 100
* Sinking Minnow : 170

Catches:
* Minnow : 69
* Sinking Minnow : 103.7

My numbers are approximate, they aren't perfect and far from it. In fact the numbers slowly fluctuate up and down during the seasons so it will be some time before the data is even close to being reliable. But at the moment that's where my data is pointing at and my own experience with fishing.

I have been recording my results for Minnow lure, Minnow lure with rings, Sinking Minnow lure, and Sinking minnow lure with rings. Yes, Minnow lure does have a lower break rate than sinking minnow lure.

Even though Minnow lure has a lower "snap rate", its bite rate compared to the Sinking Minnow lure is much lower. As showed in my 2nd quote from one of my previous posts that's basically how it works out to.

Sinking Minnow with the rings will still bring in more fish faster. :) Just bring more lures!

[nitsuj]

Just bring more lures!

Heh, I usually go with 21 lures! (odd number, I know... I like it!). Usually nets about 30-50 hakuryu over 1-2 days.

[crux]

100 or 170 bites is an extremely low sample size. Even 1,000 (each, mind you) isn't necessary enough to make a strong conclusion from, but it's a start.

[Kalila]

100 or 170 bites is an extremely low sample size. Even 1,000 (each, mind you) isn't necessary enough to make a strong conclusion from, but it's a start.

That's not my sample size, those are percentages and me showing an example from both lures showing the difference out of 2000 casts (1000 between each-other). When I go out fishing I usually cast between 500-1000 times, so my total sample data is much much larger and I've documented most of it on wiki.

I just wanted to show the difference between the two with an example using the percentages I've found. I need to work more on minnow lure to dial in on a closer percentage. Sinking Minnow lure is 10.9% without rings and 15.1% with rings, a 4% difference when using the rings. There seems to be a 2% difference in break rate between minnow lure and sinking minnow lure. I need to do more work on Minnow lure though, I've just been fishing with sinking minnow lately to make some gil since I needed some but I will dialing in on the values soon. At the moment though Minnow lure stands at 8.9% without rings and 10.7% with rings. I expect the 2% spread to stay the same since you have two large fish to pick from when you use minnow lure vs only 1 when you use sinking minnow lure.

At the moment Sinking Minnow without rings stands at 1500 casts, and with rings its at 1974, just about 2k. I feel the numbers wont fluctuate much, although I cant promise that. I feel the data is high though for amount of casts.

I'll start on minnow lure tomorrow since its slacking. I expect to have all 4 at 5000 casts eventually so the data is very accurate. Again I just want to show the difference between lures, at least in my experience. It is quite possible lures act differently between players (just as luck with drops on NM's) but I have not seen any evidence to support that. So I'm under the assumption that my experiences will work with everyone.

Edit: I think I misunderstood what you said but I might of not. When I say 100 / 170 bites I'm talking about just the Hakuryu biting the line, I'm not including the other fish.

[Banigayru]

The last few days I keep getting fatuiged after fishing up anywhere from 20-50 Hakuryus, never happened before, kinda confused as to what's going on. anyone else having this problem? I guess I can't complain its still better gil than fishing elsewhere but seems strange all of a sudden.

[Arundo]

I'm kinda positive I have went up to 70ish Haku in a day quite recently.><

[DAKPluto]

Puffin Ring: O

1/34 Got it on the very last one, lol.

[Fievel]

Puffin Ring: O

1/34 Got it on the very last one, lol.

Always seems to work that way